Bouncing back from a defeat

JimmyWils said:
I didn't say celebrate solely the top 4 finish, but when you look at the season as a whole it will be combined with the other bits as something we got done.

I think people are judging this season based on the insane run of form that we've had, but over the summer we all thought this rebuild would take forever. It still likely will, but we've so far gone above and beyond the pre-season expectations. If you'd offered top 4 to most people before the season started they'd have bitten your hand off and been very happy about it.

Personally I would say that ahead of the season finishing, saying it will be one to forget feels very negative. When Mourinho won trophies were those seasons wholly negative too? To each their own I guess.
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For the most part yet. The football was shite and dreadfully frustrating. Frustration was the overwhelming feeling of that season.

The dramatic style we won the League Cup Final in, I'm quite fond of though. The final of the Europa League was just relief at qualifying for the CL which you then look back, didn't actually mean anything as we embarrassed ourselves in the last 16 against Seville.

The carabao cup final for me, again the biggest emotion I felt from it was relief at ending the 6 year trophy drought. But I've never experienced a low as low as the 7-0 last weekend too in all the years I've watched football.
 
Skills said:
For the most part yet. The football was shite and dreadfully frustrating. Frustration was the overwhelming feeling of that season.

The dramatic style we won the League Cup Final in, I'm quite fond of though. The final of the Europa League was just relief at qualifying for the CL which you then look back, didn't actually mean anything as we embarrassed ourselves in the last 16 against Seville.

The carabao cup final for me, again the biggest emotion I felt from it was relief at ending the 6 year trophy drought. But I've never experienced a low as low as the 7-0 last weekend too in all the years I've watched football.
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Seriously?! Lower than “Aguerooooooo”?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Seriously?! Lower than “Aguerooooooo”?
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Nope, not even close for me. That was a gutting sucker punch, but this was pure humiliation. We did what we were supposed to do on the day and were just beaten by circumstances out of our control.
 
Skills said:
Nope, not even close for me. That was a gutting sucker punch, but this was pure humiliation. We did what we were supposed to do on the day and were just beaten by circumstances out of our control.
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Losing a title to our nearest neighbours in the 97th minute or whatever it was is worse than last Sunday :lol:

You'll get a grip in a week or so and realise you're being ridiculous.
 
How we come out the blocks today will tell me alot about Ten Hag and the players.

If we struggle to beat Real Betis, I will be worried.
 
romufc said:
How we come out the blocks today will tell me alot about Ten Hag and the players.

If we struggle to beat Real Betis, I will be worried.
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Good to see we are keeping perspective.
 
Utd heap said:
Losing a title to our nearest neighbours in the 97th minute or whatever it was is worse than last Sunday :lol:

You'll get a grip in a week or so and realise you're being ridiculous.
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Lyng said:
This loss to Liverpool is a mere blip compared to that. Losing the league like that to them was the worst moment in my 30 years of following United.
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Nah. Like I said, that was gutting and it hurt a lot in the moment. But I've also probably never felt closer/more related to the club/players/staff after that - like we were all on the same page.

This feels different.
 
Skills said:
Nah. Like I said, that was gutting and it hurt a lot in the moment. But I've also probably never felt closer/more related to the club/players/staff after that - like we were all on the same page.

This feels different.
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We are having our best season in years?
 
Erik Ten Hag would've sat all his players and played that Liverpool game time and again to point out their mistakes like Luke Shaw said in the interview after the game. I'm sure they will not want to repeat that ever. Erik Ten Hag is very strict in terms of his players following a set of rules. He wants his players to cover for each other and maintain discipline and intensity throughout the game. We can all forgive the players but he will not. We might not even see most of the players who played on sunday play against Betis. Let's see how things go from here... I see us doing very well
 
Utd heap said:
Good to see we are keeping perspective.
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Yep, I am sorry I want to see a reaction to our biggest defeat since the 1930's and that too against our rivals.

If your standards are not that high, that is you, I would like to see this team go and win this game comfortably to show that that was a blip.

If we play a sluggish game, which we have done in the last 2 weeks, its the same signs as every other regime.

With every manager we have appointed, there has been results leading to hope followed with a complete breakdown.
 
romufc said:
Yep, I am sorry I want to see a reaction to our biggest defeat since the 1930's and that too against our rivals.

If your standards are not that high, that is you, I would like to see this team go and win this game comfortably to show that that was a blip.

If we play a sluggish game, which we have done in the last 2 weeks, its the same signs as every other regime.

With every manager we have appointed, there has been results leading to hope followed with a complete breakdown.
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Toys out the pram mate. Might be a rocky few weeks, would be great to have a reaction tonight but it's not always that simple.
 
Utd heap said:
Toys out the pram mate. Might be a rocky few weeks, would be great to have a reaction tonight but it's not always that simple.
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Saying being cautious is not throwing toys out the pram... We have had top managers in Jose and LVG fail too.

Although I trust Ten Hag, no manager should lose 7-0 to the rivals, its not acceptable. Just because he won us a trophy, does not make it acceptable to lose 7-0
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Seriously?! Lower than “Aguerooooooo”?
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There's an obsession with branding the latest/current as the best or worst ever.
Sunday was an absolute freak, joke of an event, a horrible mix of everything going wrong and players having Sunday league attitudes, but compared to Aguero, losing European cup finals, getting whopped at home 6-1 a couple of times, or losing things on the last day, it doesn't come close.

That Aguero moment was a once in a lifetime, shuddering in stress watch with a sickening feeling of amazing levels, for what should be a mere game of football.
 
romufc said:
Saying being cautious is not throwing toys out the pram... We have had top managers in Jose and LVG fail too.

Although I trust Ten Hag, no manager should lose 7-0 to the rivals, its not acceptable. Just because he won us a trophy, does not make it acceptable to lose 7-0
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Well it happened mate, I've no idea what your point is. We have to react tonight or what?

It's all knee jerk.
 
Utd heap said:
Well it happened mate, I've no idea what your point is. We have to react tonight or what?

It's all knee jerk.
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Yeah, it happened. So what if we lose and go out the competition we should just say... oh well it happened, nothing we can do?
 
Can't say I'm even looking forward to tonight's game after the debacle of Sunday.

Rashford's interview hasn't really made me feel better either saying they really tried but were not organised kind of seems like they are passing the buck onto the manager.
 
Lyng said:
This loss to Liverpool is a mere blip compared to that.
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True.

Lyng said:
Losing the league like that to them was the worst moment in my 30 years of following United.
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Even that didn't bother me past a couple of days. Okay, we dropped the ball one season. But we all knew we would be back with a vengeance and crush everyone. And we did.

Liverpool turning up at Old Trafford in 2014 as the favourites under Rodgers was worse for me. All I could think was "how did it all go wrong so quickly?" And then we got thrashed by City at home too.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
hang on, if - say - we finish 3rd and win 2 trophies, given where we were in the summer, you will want to forget this season?
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3rd may aswell be 4th or 2nd. It’s nothing to celebrate but more of a relief that we’ve made it into the champions league for next year and help signing better players.

winning the carling cup is a stepping stone to hopefully better things, it’s hardly a trophy to look back on and celebrate.

losing 7-0 to Liverpool is shit, no matter how much you want to gloss over it with the carling cup
 
lsd said:
Can't say I'm even looking forward to tonight's game after the debacle of Sunday.

Rashford's interview hasn't really made me feel better either saying they really tried but were not organised kind of seems like they are passing the buck onto the manager.
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Interesting. I interpreted it completely differently. That he was blaming the players and excusing the manager. The game plan was fine but they messed up the execution.
 
romufc said:
Saying being cautious is not throwing toys out the pram... We have had top managers in Jose and LVG fail too.

Although I trust Ten Hag, no manager should lose 7-0 to the rivals, its not acceptable. Just because he won us a trophy, does not make it acceptable to lose 7-0
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Mad how many posts have been trying to make this point since Sunday considering a) literally nobody (player, manager or fans) have tried to argue that it was acceptable and b) it’s an utterly meaningless point anyway. What does an unacceptable result actually change? Does it mean we need to sack the manager? Sell all the players? If not, why the feck does it matter?!?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Mad how many posts have been trying to make this point since Sunday considering a) literally nobody (player, manager or fans) have tried to argue that it was acceptable and b) it’s an utterly meaningless point anyway. What does an unacceptable result actually change? Does it mean we need to sack the manager? Sell all the players? If not, why the feck does it matter?!?
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Correct. This United team were in turmoil when Ten Hag took us. Yeah we have had a good run but to think there wasn't going to be breakdowns was naive, at least. We were all shocked to see the improvement under Ten Hag but there was always the slight doubt in the players as a whole we had and could we cope. Rashford looked below par from minute one. Klopp decided to go down our wings and both r and l backs didnt cope with it. When Caseimro was of it ( we now know he was injured), It was a perfect storm on a side that was throwing everything at games every 3 days. Let the storm pass and reset. You learn more in your failures than when on a high winning. Ten Hag will have learnt more about the players and as we all knew at the start there is still serious surgery needed on the squad to build the resilience in a packed calendar. Heads up and move on.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Mad how many posts have been trying to make this point since Sunday considering a) literally nobody (player, manager or fans) have tried to argue that it was acceptable and b) it’s an utterly meaningless point anyway. What does an unacceptable result actually change? Does it mean we need to sack the manager? Sell all the players? If not, why the feck does it matter?!?
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No it means you expect a reaction. This notion of a embarrassing loss does not matter is pathetic imo.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
3rd may aswell be 4th or 2nd. It’s nothing to celebrate but more of a relief that we’ve made it into the champions league for next year and help signing better players.

winning the carling cup is a stepping stone to hopefully better things, it’s hardly a trophy to look back on and celebrate.

losing 7-0 to Liverpool is shit, no matter how much you want to gloss over it with the carling cup
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OK, but you are answering a question I never asked. I'll ask it again clearly, and you can answer clearly - if you wanna.

If we were to finish third, plus win the League Cup and one other of the FA or UEFA cups would you want to forget this season?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Where are you reading this notion?
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Pogue Mahone said:
What does an unacceptable result actually change? Does it mean we need to sack the manager? Sell all the players? If not, why the feck does it matter?!?
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Saying it does not matter means you are accepting a 7-0 hammering against your rivals... Oh it doesnt matter, its fine.

Every manager that loses a game 7-0 will have to be questioned, regardless of what they have done. Klopp was questioned post 7-2 loss too.
 
romufc said:
Saying it does not matter means you are accepting a 7-0 hammering against your rivals... Oh it doesnt matter, its fine.

Every manager that loses a game 7-0 will have to be questioned, regardless of what they have done. Klopp was questioned post 7-2 loss too.
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I never said the result doesn't matter. That was a reference to this weird obsession with the result being "unacceptable". Why does it matter that it's unacceptable? What does that even mean?!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I never said the result doesn't matter. That was a reference to this weird obsession with the result being "unacceptable". Why does it matter that it's unacceptable? What does that even mean?!
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It means the next game, the players have to show some fight, spirit. If we go out there today lacklustre, no energy and concede loads of chances like we have been doing, it shows there is a problem, dont you think?
 
The trouble with a result like Sundays is that as well as being indelible, you cannot (or want to)compare it with anything else.
However in this case the first half against City at the Etihad was very similar to the second half on Sunday, in that principally the team lost its 'collective nerve', they have not become bad players, but performance wise they were all out to lunch' and for periods in both games they were all rattled, lost their discipline and got steam-rolled.
At City there was a chance to restore some semblance of pride which we took in the second half, hopefully they will carry the determination to restore pride against Real Betis tonight, only a 6-0 victory or better will suffice. :rolleyes:
 
Skills said:
Nope, not even close for me. That was a gutting sucker punch, but this was pure humiliation. We did what we were supposed to do on the day and were just beaten by circumstances out of our control.
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I wouldn’t say it was lowest moment at all. Especially considering we had our best 45 minutes of football at anfield in a long time and one of our best 45 mins of the season away from home. We just capitulated in a 20 minute spell.

The 0-5 and 4-0 defeats to Liverpool last season were in some ways worse because we looked completely devoid of ideas and got played off the park. It wasn’t even a terrible day at the office. It was regular performances we were putting in.
 
romufc said:
It means the next game, the players have to show some fight, spirit. If we go out there today lacklustre, no energy and concede loads of chances like we have been doing, it shows there is a problem, dont you think?
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It definitely shows a problem. A continuation of the same problem we saw in our last game. Which could well be mainly about fatigue after a brutal run of fixtures. In a way, if we perform amazingly tonight that would be more of a concern. Because then you'd wonder what possible excuse could they have for playing so badly on Sunday?

A scrappy win wouldn't bother me at all. I just want to see us put the L behind us and get back to winning ways. By any means possible.
 
I'm with ten hag. Yes, it was a awful display..we learn from it and move on..win together, lose together. Team will be fine. It was performance of lethargy to me. The work that's been done in less than a year is fantastic. I'm confident.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It definitely shows a problem. A continuation of the same problem we saw in our last game. Which could well be mainly about fatigue after a brutal run of fixtures. In a way, if we perform amazingly tonight that would be more of a concern. Because then you'd wonder what possible excuse could they have for playing so badly on Sunday?

A scrappy win wouldn't bother me at all. I just want to see us put the L behind us and get back to winning ways. By any means possible.
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Agreed. I am not saying the result = sacking. I have watched enough football to understand freak results, which is what I put that down to, its not like the one of the past where from KO we were outplayed. It was 45 mins of nonsense, can be put down to workload and lapse in concentration.

The point is, we need to bounce back tonight and show it was a one off rather than a recurring theme of what we have seen over the past 10 years.

1 step forward 2 back,.
 
Chief123 said:
I wouldn’t say it was lowest moment at all. Especially considering we had our best 45 minutes of football at anfield in a long time and one of our best 45 mins of the season away from home. We just capitulated in a 20 minute spell.

The 0-5 and 4-0 defeats to Liverpool last season were in some ways worse because we looked completely devoid of ideas and got played off the park. It wasn’t even a terrible day at the office. It was regular performances we were putting in.
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They were well on top of us in the first half as well. We had the better chances (chance being an actual shot), but they were completely against the run of play. They dominated us that first half, and were literally just one pass away from converting domination into goals in the first half.

If the manager thought the same thing as you, I'm not surprised we got obliterated in the second. I was desperately hoping we'd make some changes at half time.
 
Skills said:
They were well on top of us in the first half as well. We had the better chances (chance being an actual shot), but they were completely against the run of play. They dominated us that first half, and were literally just one pass away from converting domination into goals in the first half.

If the manager thought the same thing as you, I'm not surprised we got obliterated in the second. I was desperately hoping we'd make some changes at half time.
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I don't think we were that great TBH but that's nonsense. It was a pretty even game, we edged the chances.
 
I think Liverpool were the better team in the first half but not by much. Dominated the first 20 minutes but we grew into the game and looked the more likely to score from minutes 20 to 40, creating the most clear-cut chances of either team in that half (including having a goal chalked off for offside). Then they scored. And the rest is history.
 
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