Blanc still a first teamer?

devilish

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Should Laurent Blanc be considered as a first teamer?

The first time I questioned this I was attacked by many supporters

Their main argument was that although Larry does not have the Pace and Stamina needed to reach the EPL’s standards, his experience is vital in the smooth running of our defense.

Days had passed and Laurent Blanc got injured during the Newcastle’s game.

Many were those who signaled an apocalyptic end for Manutd. Facing two crunchy games like Basil and Liverpool without our Daddy (lol) in the defense was unthinkable.

The result was what I HAD EXPECTED. The defense’s performances improved dramatically.

Why? Simple

Let us study Larry’s strengths and weaknesses.

Larry is a 6.3 feet giant, experienced and dominating both on feet and aerial attacks. Yet his lack of pace and his numerous advances with the ball had been penalizing especially in counter attacks. Many managers have noticed this weaknesses and had tried to exploit it to the full. The consequences of this weakness was that Blanc’s partner had the difficult task to cover (in pace) Blanc’s role too and many (including Rio and Wes) had failed in doing so.

In a defense orphaned from Larry, we didn’t have that problem.

The question that we must ask now is DO WE NEED LARRY’S EXPERIENCE?

Let study our backline. Rio and Gary Neville are now renowned English internationals that had lead great defenses like that of Manutd (in G Nev’s case) and Leeds (in R Ferdinand case). Silvestre is a French int and at 24 (with experiences at Manutd, Inter and Rennes) he cannot be considered as a fledgling anymore. Wesley Brown had been in top flight for 3-4 years now while John is very mature for his age. Can’t be called a youth academy’s defense anymore.

In my opinion is that Larry’s role should change. Instead of playing him as a first teamer in a flat 4- defense (where his lack of pace is fully exploited) SAF should insert him as a sweeper in a 5 player’s defense (when defending becomes a priority.) This is the only way to exploit to its full Blanc’s talent.
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>The result was what I HAD EXPECTED. The defense’s performances improved dramatically.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Improved dramatically? I think not. We were lucky and needed a good Barthez performance to still be in the Basel game before Ruud equalised.

As for Anfield, it was great work from the entire team that helped the backline. And the return of Gary didn't do any harm.

When Blanc's fit I expect to see him in the heart of the back four again. We are not going to change our backline system for certain matches. Thats the worst thing you can do.
 
At Basel we lacked also of G Neville and Rio

My conclusion is this would you sacrifice Silvestre or O Shea to play a defender that in certian areas ( in pace) needs to be covered?
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>The result was what I HAD EXPECTED.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You could have fooled me with the rubbish you posted before the match. 'Ohhh no Calamity G Neville is back' was the title of one thread. Gaz was brilliant but rather than apologise you say you expected the win.

It's easy to be wise after the event, much harder to accept that you don't know what you're talking about.
 
Originally posted by dicko:
<strong>

You could have fooled me with the rubbish you posted before the match. 'Ohhh no Calamity G Neville is back' was the title of one thread. Gaz was brilliant but rather than apologise you say you expected the win.

It's easy to be wise after the event, much harder to accept that you don't know what you're talking about.</strong><hr></blockquote>

well said.
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>My conclusion is this would you sacrifice Silvestre or O Shea to play a defender that in certian areas ( in pace) needs to be covered?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep. He lacks pace but he adds in other departments. A football player is a package. You can't say "He doesn't have pace" and end it with that.

It's like the people who said Cole wasn't a great finisher. True, he wasn't really, but the overall package called Andy Cole was very useful for Manchester United.
 
Dicko you are either a fool or an illiterate.

Read my topic again. It wasnt an insult for G Nev but a change of mentality where a player doesnt play because he has a reputation but because he is in good form

That topic was called like that just for PURE Provokation

I was happy that G Nev played well. Yet if I have to choose between G Nev and J OSHEA i would play the Irish (much more complete and solid)

My friend I am a Manchester United Supporter and not that or this player supporter.

About the Liverpool's game, it is true I feared the worst. A Manutd reduced to tatters ( Rio, Becks, Keane Butt and Blanc out) were supposted to suffer with a big team like liverpool

Thank God we played with the right stategy and mentality.
 
Sorry but package or not I prefare an independent Silvestre or O SHea rather than a dependent Blanc who needs a defender constantly covering his arse
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Sorry but package or not I prefare an independent Silvestre or O SHea rather than a dependent Blanc who needs a defender constantly covering his arse</strong><hr></blockquote>

And how many times does Laurent cover for other players with timely interceptions?

You really don't like to see any sides other than your own idiotic vendetta against Blanc.
 
Blanc should still be first choice in the CL. He got a massive amount of European experience and the pace of the game is a little bit slower.
In the Premiership his lack of pace has been exposed on occassions, i agree his positioning his still first class and he is dependable.

In short i'm not sure, definately for Europe but in the Premiership i'd like to see Rio and O'Shea form a long term partnership.
 
Got to build for the future and gradually establish some partnerships for next season when Blanc retires. Blanc is suitable for a lot of matches, but I'd not play him where there are really pacy forwards, so, not against Arsenal.
 
Golden if your mum or your fiancee get shagged by many ppl that doesnt mean that my GF does the same.

I have nothing against Blanc, but as thompson confirmed you cannot play Blanc against Pacey forwards.

The problem is that nearly all the clubs has pacey strikers nowadays
 
For the first time in 2 years our defense played extremely well against a world class team. And guess what Blanc wasnt there
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>For the first time in 2 years our defense played extremely well against a world class team. And guess what Blanc wasnt there</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, we were absolutely terrible at La Coruna last season in the 2-0 win. Or in the 0-1 defeat by Arsenal where they created one chance really. Or in both matches v Bayern last season.

Gee, wasn't Blanc in ALL those matches?

As usual, mr devilish posts crap.
 
Amir my opinion is backed by several world class managers who had lead a team against or worked with Blanc and know his goods and bads.

PLL like Capello Sacchi Cuper and Jacquet.

Blanc has ONLY one weakness in his game. He advances with the ball and is not fast enough to retreat again. Unfortunately This ONLY weakness is a known secret and many coaches had exploited it.

Why do you think Inter had left him go for free?

You amaze me Amir. You protect players like Blanc (its your opinion and unlike many I respect ppl opinions) but you slate world class players like Beckham.

Are you living in another world?
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Amir my opinion is backed by several world class managers who had lead a team against or worked with Blanc and know his goods and bads.

PLL like Capello Sacchi Cuper and Jacquet.

Why do you think Inter had left him go for free?

You amaze me Amir. You protect players like Blanc (its your opinion and unlike many I respect ppl opinions) but you slate world class players like Beckham.

Are you living in another world?</strong><hr></blockquote>

As more people disagree with you rather than agree with you, maybe you are the one living in another world.

My opinion of Blanc is apparently backed by Sir Alex Ferguson, who is better and greater than all your illustrious managers. Hector Cuper released Blanc... hmmm... Now, how many trophies has he won?

Last time I checked, Aime Jacquet had Blanc in his back line during the 98 World Cup...

Don't know what you want from me and Beckham though... I love him like I do any United player. But he's been playing badly this season. You've already invented things you claim I said about Beckham... Don't go there, it's idiotic.
 
Stop insulting me you feckin idiot and learn how to discuss.

Now what you said was that any DECENT winger can take Beckham's place. So be a Man and accept what you have said as I do.

I Love SAF and Ic him as a superb Manager but I also respect PPL who had won as much ( some even more) than SAF. IF 2 or 3 of these managers say something than you start using your brains (thats your prob isnt it) and then decide.

Unlike many think i have nothing against Blanc but I am not convinced that he is a better option to ppl like OSHEA and Silvestre
 
United still need his service for this season. With some of the defenders are injured at the moment, Blanc could be a great player to lead O'shea and Brown at the back.
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>
Now what you said was that any DECENT winger can take Beckham's place. So be a Man and accept what you have said as I do.
I Love SAF and Ic him as a superb Manager but I also respect PPL who had won as much ( some even more) than SAF. IF 2 or 3 of these managers say something than you start using your brains (thats your prob isnt it) and then decide.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't remember saying any decent winger can take Beckham's place. Please send me to the thread where I did, that would be very nice indeed. I also don't think that, so it's pointless.

As for the people you discuss, the one who released Blanc was Cuper. A world class manager with a world class ability to lose trophies. He hasn't won tenth of what Fergie has. Mr Sacchi is no longer a coach, more a General manager thing, and he's lost it in the last few years of his management. Capello isn't doing too hot either now.

You're not longer worthy of discussing with. I've tried but, but your a half wit who refuses to let go. You've decided Blanc is not good enough and you always try to prove your point.

Well, I'm sorry, the last 20 minutes v Newcastle and the 2 matches that followed did not prove your point.
 
Blanc would be PERFECT as a sweeper in a 5 ppl's defense. Believe me our defense would be solid rock and no one would be able to outpace him

Blanc is an excellent defender ( read this phrase for 2000 times) but he is not cut for a back 4 defense ( in the FAST EPL) that uses the OFFSIDE TRAP as theri main weopon. You need pure pace for that

I really rate Blanc (believe it or not) but I think that R FERDINARD - SILVESTRE ( or O SHEA) is a better option
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Blanc would be PERFECT as a sweeper in a 5 ppl's defense. Believe me our defense would be solid rock and no one would be able to outpace him</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're right, he will be perfect in a back 5. But we don't play with one, and he's doing a good job in a back 4.
 
One of the things I like about SAF is that he has alot of respect for players who have proven themselves internationally and have won championships for other teams in other countries. Take Blanc for example. World class defender in his hay day but SAF automatically puts him in the line up when he is healthy. Physically Blanc is not as fast or strong as the others but he seems to get the job done. But more importantly is that while he is in there he is also tempering the young lads and teaching them the complexities of organized defence. This is one of the most important elements of the game that is perhaps more complex than offensive play because you are reading what the offensive play. Blanc has a more mature style than Gaz and Dennis Irwin has moved on. Having players like Blanc is part of the game and hopefully will pay off in the end with smarter defenders.
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>About the Liverpool's game, it is true I feared the worst. </strong><hr></blockquote>

But you EXPECTED (your capitals) to win. :confused: Perhaps your the fool or illiterate.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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You're right, he will be perfect in a back 5. But we don't play with one, and he's doing a good job in a back 4.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good job? Which games?
 
Originally posted by lchk:
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Good job? Which games?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just about every one.

Which game hasn't he done well? Except the City one where they were all horrible.
 
This is my last post for you Amir because you are so idiotic that you are getting on my nerves

Blanc is a brilliant defender, but seriously he lacks of pace. Dont tell me he was always like that because I have been watching L Blanc ( with admiration) since he played with Napoli. Yes pace wasnt his strength but he wasnt as slow as now ( 37yrs for god sake)

With Blatter's idiotic rules it had become very difficult for a slow and old defender to survive in todays football. I have watched greater players than Blanc ( Baresi) humilated because their lack of pace. Dont remind me Hypia or Stam because altough they arent V pacey in pace they are much better than Blanc.

My conclusion is this

1 Either play Blanc as a sweeper in a 5-4-1 formation.

2 Order him not to advance with the ball ( difficult because it is intrinsic in him)

3 Pull him away

I am sorry lads but in a 4-4-2 I have MORE faith in Silvestre rather than Blanc. The fledgling's time is over, our youngsters had grown into men
 
BTW if you learn to read my posts well you will see that

1 I rate Blanc

2 I still think that Blanc has a role at OT.

My conclusion is this in a 5 defense, were Blanc's talents and experience are majorly exploited THERE IS NO ONE who is able to take his place ( OT AND EUROPE)

In a 4-4-2 formation I am sorry but I prefare Silvestre. you need PACE to work the Offside trap perfectly.
 
Blanc is a good player, a solid player who provides alot of experience to the team, he's worthy of a place in my opinion, but with the way the team are performing at the moment it will be hard to break into.

I certainly wouldn't get rid of him at any expense even when he can't get into the first team any more, he's the kind of player I would like to see sign as a coach, his experience would be an asset to teaching youngsters
 
I'm not a fan of Blanc because he's too old to be playing regularly for a team which aspires to be the world's Number One. Sends out the wrong message about the type of side we are. Simple as that. He is a diminishing asset and I will be glad when he retires - with a vote of thanks of course, he has shown some class moments.

Nor am I convinced by the argument that Blanc isn't good enough for the PL, but is good enough for Europe. I mean, just which competition has the most quality? It's the European cup of course.
 
Originally posted by nickm:
<strong>Nor am I convinced by the argument that Blanc isn't good enough for the PL, but is good enough for Europe. I mean, just which competition has the most quality? It's the European cup of course.</strong><hr></blockquote>

European games are completly different to the League in my opinion and shouldn't really be tried to compared, The league is a much faster game than Europe which would probably explain why he is a better player in Europe than he is in the League.
 
I dont agree with you my friend.

Yes Blanc is old but if Manutd KNOW how to exploit his strength well than we can get a lot out of him during this and who knows even next season.( Read this Amir)

Ok I agree on one thing, there are better options in a 4-4-2 defense. But Blanc can STILL be vital if

1 As a sweeper (in a 5-4-1 formation) when defending is a priority

2 If he is Strictly ordered not to advance with the ball

These are NOT my ideas. This stategic plan was first utilised by Bayern Munich, a tactic which lead them to their double and the CL Final ( with Mattheus)
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>I dont agree with you my friend.

Yes Blanc is old but if Manutd KNOW how to exploit his strength well than we can get a lot out of him during this and who knows even next season.( Read this Amir)

Ok I agree on one thing, there are better options in a 4-4-2 defense. But Blanc can STILL be vital if

1 As a sweeper (in a 5-4-1 formation) when defending is a priority

2 If he is Strictly ordered not to advance with the ball

These are NOT my ideas. This stategic plan was first utilised by Bayern Munich, a tactic which lead them to their double and the CL Final ( with Mattheus)</strong><hr></blockquote>

nice to hear you looking for options to work Blanc. thought you could only slag the guy. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
I really rate Blanc but with a 4-4-2 flat defense so keen to the offside trap we are Not playing on the frenchman strengths but on his weaknesses.

You dont need to be genius to come to a conclusion


Either we change our tactics or we change the staff
 
You had never read well my posts that is your problem R United

I would never hate a Manutd player but its the team my priority AND not the players
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>You had never read well my posts that is your problem R United

I would never hate a Manutd player but its the team my priority AND not the players</strong><hr></blockquote>

i do read many of your posts.. but you have to admit that many of your ideas are not practical.

and i know you do not hate the players, but they are the keys to our success. these current crop is the key. We both know (as well as other fans) that SAF hate buying in between the season, so best we can talk about is how to utilize them.. i think we should save the replacements talk for later. Atleast once it's clear we're not winning anything.

We ended last season OK and are already looking better this time around so i think we'll be OK with 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2, or 4-5-1, as long as players play their positions correctly and according to plans.
 
your suggestion of 5-4-1 is off the mark. we currently have too many attacking players in the team. and you have seen that we need to attack in order to win. playing conservatively seems to only work in Europe.

clear on this, we will now move to the utilization of Blanc.

because we cannot use 5-4-1 we HAVE to use Blanc in 4-4-1-1 or 4-5-1 or 4-4-2. We all know SAF will not listen to criticism and so will continue to use who he thinks is best - which is Blanc as we have seen for the past season and a half.

for you to say we should drop Blanc is pretty much saying SAF is not doing a good job - hence you're calling for his head.

Ultimately i think you don't like SAF doing this job very much. Am i not right here?

Devil, i think we should enjoy the win over the scousers and look forward to another great gutsy performance against the arse. Blanc will probably play and if he doesn't play well then we'll all have a go at him together.

he hasn't done much wrong IMO - not more than other players anyway.

Brown and Barthez together costed us almost 10 goals last season, yet i don't see you talk about Brown's ability.. why? Blanc did much better than these two last season IMO.. and did only until recently when Brown came out of injury to get in form and Barthez only proved his worth to many people call for his head in the liverpool game..

and still Blanc hasn't made many mistakes in 4-4-2. so i don't think putting him in 5-4-1 will help us, it will only complicate matters for us.. more guys will have to be on the bench from the attacking team and that would just give team selections more headaches.