Billy No Mates Draft

Chesterlestreet said:
At a push I'd probably go for @Aldo as my man so far. I just like the idea of that Tigana-Xavi-Schuster combo behind Rivelino-Romario-Garrincha. I see both Rivelino and Garrincha in some sort of free roles flanking Romario. And Cabrini + Zanetti bombing forward too. Very offensive, yet clever - not headless.

Of course, he has no central defenders - which could be slightly problematic. Will be interesting to see who he can grab here, as the pool drains further.
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Thank you, and yes you are spot on with how I am planning to setup which seems pretty obvious. Yeah I've had a look at picking CBs a few times so let's see who's left, it was important to get fullbacks capable of providing proper width, but fullbacks, not wingbacks. And of course the correct defensive midfielder is crucial in that midfield setup.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yeah, that's what I sort of suspected. It's the old Andrade conundrum again, though. He's got senior, not junior.
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Interestingly I mulled this over most of the day - which of the Andrade family to take. Having initially leaned towards junior, ultimately I was satisfied that senior was the man for the job.
 
Stobzilla said:
feck sake. In the interests of moving things along quickly...

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Finally someone bites that bullet. Surprised nobody did earlier. Obviously he blocks shedloads of quality, but he's a final-ready player himself.
 
Didi taken in round 8. Steal of the draft regardless of who he blocks.
 
Gio said:
Finally someone bites that bullet. Surprised nobody did earlier. Obviously he blocks shedloads of quality, but he's a final-ready player himself.
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My only thoughts once I realised he had gotten through the first 4 rounds was to round out my attacking trio sans South Americans and hope he was hanging around whilst everyone started on their defence. When you picked Chumpitaz I did a little fist pump because I knew he was gonna fall to me.
 
Gio said:
Finally someone bites that bullet. Surprised nobody did earlier. Obviously he blocks shedloads of quality, but he's a final-ready player himself.
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I considered him strongly around turn 4-5.
 
1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov 6. Monti 7. Tresor 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos 5. Schnellinger 6. Hansen 7. Makelele 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm 6. Netzer 7. Bossis 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit 6. Rivera 7. Forster 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek 6. Junior 7. Hierro 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts 6. Marzolini 7. Schweinsteiger 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson 6. Scholes 7. Obdulio Varela 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor 6. Lizarazu 7. Burgnich 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala 6. Hamrin 7. Blokhin 8. Didi 9. 10. 11. 12.
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews 5. R. Carlos 6. Neymar 7. Suurbier 8. Vieira 9. 10. 11. 12.
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria 6. Bergomi 7. Koeman 8. Ocwirk 9. 10. 11. 12.
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness 7. Andrade 8. Chumpitaz 9. 10. 11. 12.
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster 7. Cabrini 8. Tigana 9. 10. 11. 12.
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu 6. Baggio 7. McGrath 8. Yashin 9. 10. 11. 12.
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs 7. J.A. Camacho 8. Effenberg 9. 10. 11. 12.
16. Invictus/Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Gento 6. Cannavaro. 7. Briegel 8. Stam 9. 10. 11. 12.


@Balu @crappycraperson use that list
 
Stobzilla said:
My only thoughts once I realised he had gotten through the first 4 rounds was to round out my attacking trio sans South Americans and hope he was hanging around whilst everyone started on their defence. When you picked Chumpitaz I did a little fist pump because I knew he was gonna fall to me.
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That ship sailed some time ago - I had to make an early decision to plump for Bozsik. Him and Didi couldn't really work together in the same midfield. Still devastating pick for turn 8.
 
Finally Didi goes. How did he last so long? I was going to pick him 5th, but went for Santamaria, only to discover afterwards that they'd played 19 games together for Madrid.
 
Gio said:
Interestingly I mulled this over most of the day - which of the Andrade family to take. Having initially leaned towards junior, ultimately I was satisfied that senior was the man for the job.
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Just be glad anto ain't around to pull a whole Andrade-serenade on ya.

I can't remember precisely what his stance was, come to think of it - he had a slightly different take on it than some others I've heard on the subject. But I do believe he favoured junior in an actual (modern) fullback role - whereas senior would be best deployed as a defensive midfielder.

It's not clear cut, though. To the contrary, it's right in that "how does A translate to B" conundrum which nearly always follows a certain type of old school player. The question would be not only where you use him, but perhaps more crucially how you use him.
 
there is one more midfield genius out there and in my opinion he is better then Didi so its unbelievable that he is yet to be picked.
 
Stobz wins the last two rounds, no question about it. I'm surprised why Blokhin went that late, he blocks literally no-one and is absolutely world-class with a footage to prove it and a Ballon D'Or. I gambled with not going for him earlier and it backfired. Didi is a monster of a pick also, but with Pele as my 1st pick he was out of the consideration for me
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Just be glad anto ain't around to pull a whole Andrade-serenade on ya.

I can't remember precisely what his stance was, come to think of it - he had a slightly different take on it than some others I've heard on the subject. But I do believe he favoured junior in an actual (modern) fullback role - whereas senior would be best deployed as a defensive midfielder.

It's not clear cut, though. To the contrary, it's right in that "how does A translate to B" conundrum which nearly always follows a certain type of old school player. The question would be not only where you use him, but perhaps more crucially how you use him.
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Well my choice there is very much informed by Anto's insight on both Andrades. His take was that you wouldn't necessarily want to restrict senior to run-of-the-mill DM duties, and that he'd be a good fit for wing-back responsibilities. But you're bang on that the how is more critical than the where.
antohan said:
You are absolutely right there was a difference between the two, particularly in their pomp. Peak JL (1924-28) was a truly exceptional player and among the first to be World Class both in attacking and defensive phases. You could truly call him box-to-box or have him down as a wingback. DM is actually too negative to describe him. I'd say in 1930 he was more like that but deeper and with wing duties, thus my inclination to see him more like a modern RCB.
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antohan said:
It's by all means correct to call it a midfield as he wasn't a fullback in the modern sense. You just need to watch the little footage available to realise it was not significantly different to a wingback. It certainly wasn't a clustered central midfield trio as the inside forwards dropped in the space in between those three in the defensive phases. His transition play (what got him to be known as the Black Marvel) was almost identical to that of a wingback. The marvel being that halfbacks until then rarely if ever ventured forward and they certainly didn't possess the skills Andrade did.
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antohan said:
José. Uruguay played pretty much the exact same formation with both Andrades though, the difference is a stylistic one in that Victor was more defensively focused.
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Absolute shit load of unnamed players in this as well.
 
Gio said:
Well my choice there is very much informed by Anto's insight on both Andrades. His take was that you wouldn't necessarily want to restrict senior to run-of-the-mill DM duties, and that he'd be a good fit for wing-back responsibilities.
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That was it, quite right. He had Junior down as the more defensively stout of the pair - which is debatable if you go by general opinion (if such a thing can be said to exist on the subject).

But I think anto's reasoning is sound: The wingback angle is very plausible, given the sort of player he was (and he wasn't a "normal" player for the times in any way).

I suppose one interpretation would be that if you use a back four and intend to deploy either Andrade as a nominal right back, then Junior would be more of a defender - whereas Senior would be more of a forward-bomber.

Junior = right back, not very adventurous.
Senior = wing back (but clearly defensively sound).

Or something.

@Theon I see no reason why we shouldn't discuss it - it's no criticism of Gio's pick, just a discussion about what sort of player he was.
 
@Chesterlestreet I suppose what it comes down to is how players fit to today's tactics. Of course Andrade never played in a modern back four (although today's back four is much different to a back four from the 1980s), but in practice his role, position and how he executed it were fairly similar of what you might expect of a full-back in a game today. In any all-time draft it's the 'how' rather than the 'where' that becomes critical, otherwise the whole exercise becomes a little insular.
 
I did some research on JL Andrade for a previous draft and he came across as a right half-back, very talented. I put him akin to Duncan Edwards on the right. Defensively sound, good on the ball, workrate enough to move up and down the pitch, creative and technically competent to start attacks from the midfield.

I doubt you'd get traditional width or overlapping runs from him and would be effective if you had a touchline winger (and not a cutting in IF type) ahead of him.

I always had a problem reconciling some players in current setup, as they were trailblazers in their own time and what they did was something spectacular and never seen at their time....but can be quite common nowadays. Makes it quite difficult to differentiate between actual talent vs gloss of being first of kind.
 
Gio said:
@Chesterlestreet I suppose what it comes down to is how players fit to today's tactics. Of course Andrade never played in a modern back four (although today's back four is much different to a back four from the 1980s), but in practice his role, position and how he executed it were fairly similar of what you might expect of a full-back in a game today. In any all-time draft it's the 'how' rather than the 'where' that becomes critical, otherwise the whole exercise becomes a little insular.
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No argument from me there - I completely agree.

The only reason I brought it up was the Andrade family point, which is always a bit interesting, given that both of 'em played a similar role and both of 'em were bloody good.

But, yes - it should be about picking players whose characteristics fit the bill for you, tactically. And then the debate can start, as to whether they actually fit the bill - or whether you could have used them better in a different role, and so forth. It should never be as simple as: "But he didn't actually play in that particular role, in that particular formation". So what? If the formation (or the role) wasn't invented yet, he hardly could. Would he work as such-and-such, given what we know about him as a player? That should be the only question.
 
diarm said:
Finally Didi goes. How did he last so long? I was going to pick him 5th, but went for Santamaria, only to discover afterwards that they'd played 19 games together for Madrid.
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We've discussed Didi over the last 4 picks, but from what I know he won't fit in our formation. From what I know of Didi he's excellent in possession, but won't provide defensive cover, which we need in the formation we will field.

One quote in particular
For the elegant Didi, whose real name was Valdir Pereira, soccer was a cerebral game, all about passing, making plays and converting free kicks. He disdained physical contact and running, once saying, ''It's the ball that needs to run, not the player.''
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In any case from what I know of him he would need a box to box and DM next to him to make it work.
 
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1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov 6. Monti 7. Tresor 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos 5. Schnellinger 6. Hansen 7. Makelele 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm 6. Netzer 7. Bossis 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit 6. Rivera 7. Förster 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek 6. Junior 7. Hierro 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts 6. Marzolini 7. Schweinsteiger 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson 6. Scholes 7. O. Varela 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor 6. Lizarazu 7. Burgnich 8. Costacurta 9. 10. 11. 12.
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala 6. Hamrin 7. Blokhin 8. Didi 9. 10. 11. 12.
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews 5. R. Carlos 6. Neymar 7. Suurbier 8. Vieira 9. 10. 11. 12.
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria 6. Bergomi 7. Koeman 8. Ocwirk 9. 10. 11. 12.
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness 7. Andrade 8. Chumpitaz 9. 10. 11. 12.
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster 7. Cabrini 8. Tigana 9. 10. 11. 12.
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu 6. Baggio 7. McGrath 8. Yashin 9. 10. 11. 12.
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs 7. J.A. Camacho 8. Effenberg 9. 10. 11. 12.
16. Invictus/Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Gento 6. Cannavaro. 7. Briegel 8. Stam 9. 10. 11. 12.

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1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov 6. Monti
7. Tresor 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos
5. Schnellinger 6. Hansen 7. Makelele 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm 6. Netzer 7. Bossis 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit 6. Rivera 7. Förster 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek 6. Junior 7. Hierro 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts
6. Marzolini 7. Schweinsteiger 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson 6. Scholes
7. Obdulio Varela 8. Shesternyov 9. 10. 11. 12.
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor
6. Lizarazu 7. Burgnich 8. Costacurta 9. 10. 11. 12.
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala
6. Hamrin 7. Blokhin 8. Didi 9. 10. 11. 12.
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews
5. R. Carlos 6. Neymar 7. Suurbier 8. Vieira 9. 10. 11. 12.
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria
6. Bergomi 7. Koeman 8. Ocwirk 9. 10. 11. 12.
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness 7. Andrade
8. Chumpitaz 9. 10. 11. 12.
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster
7. Cabrini 8. Tigana 9. 10. 11. 12.
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu
6. Baggio 7. McGrath 8. Yashin 9. 10. 11. 12.
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs 7. J. A. Camacho 8. Effenberg 9. 10. 11. 12.
16. Invictus/Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Gento
6. Cannavaro. 7. Briegel 8. Stam 9. 10. 11. 12.

@Theon
 
Nice pick The Stain

Thiago Silva for Physiocrat - now I'm going to bed :boring:

@Tuppet
 
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1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov 6. Monti
7. Tresor 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos
5. Schnellinger 6. Hansen 7. Makelele 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm 6. Netzer 7. Bossis 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit 6. Rivera 7. Förster 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek 6. Junior 7. Hierro 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts
6. Marzolini 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Thiago Silva 9. 10. 11. 12.
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson 6. Scholes
7. Obdulio Varela 8. Shesternyov 9. 10. 11. 12.
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor
6. Lizarazu 7. Burgnich 8. Costacurta 9. 10. 11. 12.
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala
6. Hamrin 7. Blokhin 8. Didi 9. 10. 11. 12.
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews
5. R. Carlos 6. Neymar 7. Suurbier 8. Vieira 9. 10. 11. 12.
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria
6. Bergomi 7. Koeman 8. Ocwirk 9. 10. 11. 12.
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness 7. Andrade
8. Chumpitaz 9. 10. 11. 12.
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster
7. Cabrini 8. Tigana 9. 10. 11. 12.
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu
6. Baggio 7. McGrath 8. Yashin 9. 10. 11. 12.
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs 7. J. A. Camacho 8. Effenberg 9. 10. 11. 12.
16. Invictus/Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Gento
6. Cannavaro. 7. Briegel 8. Stam 9. 10. 11. 12.
 
Suddenly it picked up some pace! Who'll be up to take my pick? I'm off to sleep
 
My pick is sent to EAP and Skizzo, so tag them if it's my turn and I'm not online
 
Sh*t!!....three centre backs that I was thinking of gone in a flash!!! Back to the drawing board!!
 
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1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov 6. Monti 7. Tresor 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos 5. Schnellinger 6. Hansen 7. Makelele 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm 6. Netzer 7. Bossis 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit 6. Rivera 7. Förster 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek 6. Junior 7. Hierro 8. Coluna 9. 10. 11. 12.
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts 6. Marzolini 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Thiago Silva 9. 10. 11. 12.
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson 6. Scholes 7. Obdulio Varela 8. Shesternyov 9. 10. 11. 12.
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor 6. Lizarazu 7. Burgnich 8. Costacurta 9. 10. 11. 12.
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala 6. Hamrin 7. Blokhin 8. Didi 9. 10. 11. 12.
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews 5. R. Carlos 6. Neymar 7. Suurbier 8. Vieira 9. 10. 11. 12.
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria 6. Bergomi 7. Koeman 8. Ocwirk 9. 10. 11. 12.
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness 7. Andrade 8. Chumpitaz 9. 10. 11. 12.
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster 7. Cabrini 8. Tigana 9. 10. 11. 12.
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu 6. Baggio 7. McGrath 8. Yashin 9. 10. 11. 12.
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs 7. J. A. Camacho 8. Effenberg 9. 10. 11. 12.
16. Invictus/Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Gento 6. Cannavaro. 7. Briegel 8. Stam 9. 10. 11. 12.

@mazhar13
 
Tuppet picking Coluna has made my next pick easier, so I'll go for one of the best deep-lying playmakers ever who was a key component of every team he was a part of and who every team sorely missed whenever he left them.

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1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov 6. Monti 7. Tresor 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos 5. Schnellinger 6. Hansen 7. Makelele 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm 6. Netzer 7. Bossis 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit 6. Rivera 7. Förster 8. Xabi Alonso 9. 10. 11. 12.
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek 6. Junior 7. Hierro 8. Coluna 9. 10. 11. 12.
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts 6. Marzolini 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Thiago Silva 9. 10. 11. 12.
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson 6. Scholes 7. Obdulio Varela 8. Shesternyov 9. 10. 11. 12.
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor 6. Lizarazu 7. Burgnich 8. Costacurta 9. 10. 11. 12.
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala 6. Hamrin 7. Blokhin 8. Didi 9. 10. 11. 12.
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews 5. R. Carlos 6. Neymar 7. Suurbier 8. Vieira 9. 10. 11. 12.
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria 6. Bergomi 7. Koeman 8. Ocwirk 9. 10. 11. 12.
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness 7. Andrade 8. Chumpitaz 9. 10. 11. 12.
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster 7. Cabrini 8. Tigana 9. 10. 11. 12.
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu 6. Baggio 7. McGrath 8. Yashin 9. 10. 11. 12.
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs 7. J. A. Camacho 8. Effenberg 9. 10. 11. 12.
16. Invictus/Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Gento 6. Cannavaro. 7. Briegel 8. Stam 9. 10. 11. 12.

@Edgar Allan Pillow @Skizzo for harms' pick
 
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