Bill Cosby | Guilty

2 Man Midfield said:
All these guys seem to be in their 70s. Surprised no-one younger has been outed yet. I guess when all this was going on anyone young enough to be below 50 now would have been at it with other consenting 20 somethings...
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Well the Cosby accusations go back a number of years I think one from over 30 years ago, so that sort shoots that theory down.
 
JustAFan said:
Well the Cosby accusations go back a number of years I think one from over 30 years ago, so that sort shoots that theory down.
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So he would have been around late forties?

What i mean is, anyone below 50 now probably wasn't up to no good 30-40 years ago, like those accused now in their old age, because they would have been either too young or not influential enough on the showbiz ladder.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
All these guys seem to be in their 70s. Surprised no-one younger has been outed yet. I guess when all this was going on anyone young enough to be below 50 now would have been at it with other consenting 20 somethings...
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Jian Ghomeshi. He was dropped like a stone from his syndicated show and could yet be charged by the Canadian police.
 
adexkola said:
:lol:

I'm very, very uncomfortable with this idea that allegations are enough to discredit a public figure. Doesn't matter whether there were 100 people claiming that he raped each and every one of them. Apart from the fact that committing 99 crimes is not evidence that the 100th was committed by the same person... we don't base truth on how many people are saying it. How many people have independently claimed they have seen a UFO, or the Virgin Mary?

Shame that we will never know for sure whether Cosby is innocent or not. I'm not guessing.
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Criminey
 
Seems to be common theme with the women making these claims of him drugging them. And one of them is a supermodel. He even talks about a drug that drives women crazy in one of his old stand up shows. Looking bleak for him.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Seems to be common theme with the women making these claims of him drugging them. And one of them is a supermodel. He even talks about a drug that drives women crazy in one of his old stand up shows. Looking bleak for him.
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Might be a bit of a stretch linking that with the sexual assaults though. I think his Spanish fly routine dates back to the 60's at a time when lots of comedians were making jokes about it. You would see ads for it in the back of porn mags, sold in gas stations, seedier bars, etc. But I don't think there was ever any proof it had any effect on women at all.

Here is an outline of the one bit he used to do.

The Village Voice saw a connection between many of his accusers’ statements and Cosby’s 1969 comedy album, “It’s True! It’s True!” In it, Cosby has a bit called “Spanish Fly,” which jokes about a substance that, legend has it, would make women feel amorous. Cosby said that he’d been interested in acquiring “Spanish fly” since childhood and that there was a cult around the supposed effects of the drug, implying it was put in women’s drinks without their knowledge or consent. Cosby said boys would think, if they saw “five girls standing alone” at a party, “Boy, if I had a whole jug of Spanish fly, I’d light that whole corner up over there.” When his show “I Spy” brought him to Spain, Cosby said he set out to find the drug, setting up the punch line when the cab driver asks him whether he brought with him any “American fly.”
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While there is evidence building in the number of those coming forward to claim they were sexually assaulted by Cosby, let's not jump into tabloid land and start making connections to things that aren't there. It is lazy journalism to attached that old comedy bit to the accusations, it makes for good headlines that people will eat up, but the actual bit does not seem connected. He seems to be more making fun of the myth about Spanish Fly.

According to Wiki here is the real deal on Spanish Fly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_fly

and some more

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/10/spanish-fly-cantharidin-podcast


Here is the actual bit he did



Seems to be more making fun of the myth of Spanish Fly or as they call it in Spain....American Fly.
 
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JustAFan said:
Not defending Cosby here, but what else would you have him do? If he came out and denied it, people will just say he is lying.

Not sure what the statute of limitations is on rape in the various jurisdictions where the alleged crimes took place, but for the older accusations he probably can not be put on criminal trial. I am not sure if there is a time limit on brining a civil suit against him or not.
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If you are falsly accused of rape you shout your innocence from the rooftops.
 
Wibble said:
If you are falsly accused of rape you shout your innocence from the rooftops.
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Except that people who are guilty also claim to be innocent and often shout it from the roof tops. Some people would say something along the lines of "Me thinks thou does protest too much." My point being that it really doesn't prove he is guilty or innocent.

Right now I am leaning towards there being something to the accusations, but that is more based on the number of accusations coming out and how they seem to be very similar stories. But of course I can't know for sure.

Even if he came out screaming he was innocent on every TV show, every internet news site, every newspaper, would that really change whether he was guilty or innocent? Would it change the veracity of the women's story, would we really say "Oh the stories sounded like he was guilty but now he is saying he is innocent so they must be be false accusations?"
 
JustAFan said:
Except that people who are guilty also claim to be innocent and often shout it from the roof tops. Some people would say something along the lines of "Me thinks thou does protest too much." My point being that it really doesn't prove he is guilty or innocent.

Right now I am leaning towards there being something to the accusations, but that is more based on the number of accusations coming out and how they seem to be very similar stories. But of course I can't know for sure.

Even if he came out screaming he was innocent on every TV show, every internet news site, every newspaper, would that really change whether he was guilty or innocent? Would it change the veracity of the women's story, would we really say "Oh the stories sounded like he was guilty but now he is saying he is innocent so they must be be false accusations?"
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The similarity being they all claimed they were raped by Bill Cosby. When 15 women, most of whom have never met one another, make such a claim, its highly unlikely they are all lying.
 
adexkola said:
Statutes of limitations apply here. And with very good reason. What evidence exists after 30 years? Are memories reliable at that moment?

His PR person came out denying the allegations. That's all he can do. Seeing people's minds are made up already
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You don't forget being raped. And why should you get a free pass after a certain amount of time? Terrible idea especially for such a serious crime. A trial would take account of any uncertainty regarding evidence or recollection.
 
JustAFan said:
Except that people who are guilty also claim to be innocent and often shout it from the roof tops. Some people would say something along the lines of "Me thinks thou does protest too much." My point being that it really doesn't prove he is guilty or innocent.

Right now I am leaning towards there being something to the accusations, but that is more based on the number of accusations coming out and how they seem to be very similar stories. But of course I can't know for sure.

Even if he came out screaming he was innocent on every TV show, every internet news site, every newspaper, would that really change whether he was guilty or innocent? Would it change the veracity of the women's story, would we really say "Oh the stories sounded like he was guilty but now he is saying he is innocent so they must be be false accusations?"
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If he is guilty perhaps there is no convincing response?
 
It wasn't meant to be. Although an actor perhaps he isn't capable of a response that will be believed so is making no response. The only other reason not to make any comment is to hope that you starve the issue of oxygen and it dies a natural death and that isn't going to happen now.
 
@JustAFan I wasn't talking about using some stand up show about a drug as evidence. More that the feeling I get is that he is in trouble and I can see all of this about him being true.
 
Wibble said:
It wasn't meant to be. Although an actor perhaps he isn't capable of a response that will be believed so is making no response. The only other reason not to make any comment is to hope that you starve the issue of oxygen and it dies a natural death and that isn't going to happen now.
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I'd assume his lawyers told him to make no comments as well. Basically every lawyer would give that advice, regardless of guilt. Removes the possability of words being twisted against you.
 
I'll never understand how some of these women remained in contact and even met with him after the incident. The most logical thing would be to cut off all contact and never see him again. One of the latest victims even admitted to having a sexual encounter with him years after the incident.
 
kps88 said:
I'll never understand how some of these women remained in contact and even met with him after the incident. The most logical thing would be to cut off all contact and never see him again. One of the latest victims even admitted to having a sexual encounter with him years after the incident.
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Life is a bit complicated, grasshopper, and sex is the most complicated bit.
 
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bishblaize said:
This is so depressing. Saville was a freaky character even when I was a kid. But Cosby? I loved that guy as a kid. Who didnt want to be in that family when they were young?

Next I'll find out Fozzie Bear is a sex pest.
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My own domestic situation wasn't perfect in my youth but I didn't yearn to belong to a dysfunctional, fictitious US one, oddly. That programme was always shit and unfunny. People pretending he was a big name in the UK are full of shit. He was on some crap that you watched instead of the news at 6pm on BBC2.
 
Jippy said:
My own domestic situation wasn't perfect in my youth but I didn't yearn to belong to a dysfunctional, fictitious US one, oddly. That programme was always shit and unfunny. People pretending he was a big name in the UK are full of shit. He was on some crap that you watched instead of the news at 6pm on BBC2.
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Thought it was just me that hated it, I could not watch it.
 
The Cosby Show made me want to poke my ears and eyes out to make it stop when it was on. I imagine it hasn't aged well.
 
That shit dancing they did at the beginning wasn't even as good as Sturridge.
 
"Ye see, what I'm tryna say is thatta all the times I was floopin' and boopin' around they neva scootilly boppa bing bong jello puddin'."

Mr Cosby, there, with his first public announcement since the allegations resurfaced. And now over to Tom and Bill with the Sport and Weather...
 
robinamicrowave said:
Worrying comparison, this.
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I don't mean to trivialize rape allegations. They are very serious. But they are allegations until proven in a court of law. The notion that when a woman accuses someone of rape, he must have done it because she said so.... I find that very disturbing. Scouring the webs... it seems an allegation is enough for most people. As a man it is frightening.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
"Ye see, what I'm tryna say is thatta all the times I was floopin' and boopin' around they neva scootilly boppa bing bong jello puddin'."

Mr Cosby, there, with his first public announcement since the allegations resurfaced. And now over to Tom and Bill with the Sport and Weather...
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:lol::lol::lol:
 
Seems like a new woman is coming out each day with a new set of allegations. He's definitely toast.
 
I think compensation is traditionally reserved for cases involving rape.
 
adexkola said:
I don't mean to trivialize rape allegations. They are very serious. But they are allegations until proven in a court of law. The notion that when a woman accuses someone of rape, he must have done it because she said so.... I find that very disturbing. Scouring the webs... it seems an allegation is enough for most people. As a man it is frightening.
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Allegations have to be taken seriously, though.
 
robinamicrowave said:
Allegations have to be taken seriously, though.
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Once they reach the process of being reported to the police/authorities rather than being declared to the media only.

If all of these women got together hired a joint solicitor and took the case to court despite the time that has passed surely if the allegations are true they would be able to find common details between all of them which would provide compelling evidence.
 
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