I hadn't noticed it being an issue in drafts. Must be a more recent thing.
To me footedness in a defender is only relevant when in possession and under pressure in the defensive phase or obviously as a fullback in attacking phase.
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To me footedness in a defender is only relevant when in possession and under pressure in the defensive phase or obviously as a fullback in attacking phase.
Ah no, it's Cole playing for Fortitude but I saw @harms saying he should have started with Maldini
Yeah, now it all makes sense... finally
Have to say I love how clearly the fortunes of both teams hinge on a genius and an appropriate setup around them.
It's a bit of a cheat code that Ronaldinho is so much fun to watch while Pirlo still needs the other fellas to do their bit. Now, these other "fellas" are a compelling set. They are anything but static players that rigidly conform to a role/position and you can have no better than Pirlo's brain and ability to execute reading it 1-2 moves ahead like a chessmaster.
It's a bit of a cheat code that Ronaldinho is so much fun to watch while Pirlo still needs the other fellas to do their bit. Now, these other "fellas" are a compelling set. They are anything but static players that rigidly conform to a role/position and you can have no better than Pirlo's brain and ability to execute reading it 1-2 moves ahead like a chessmaster.
"Kaká sitting on Pirlo" clinches it for me, it should be Dunga single-mindedly focused on shutting him out all game long, much like Park once did. And no, it's no waste or demeaning to use Dunga as a pitbull terrier, not for such a critical task.
tbf the team would need to be constructed differently then and you dont know who your opposition is in advance
Am more amazed how people often shift/change their votes when you can't see who voted for who. From a sociological point of view, quite interesting.
Not sure I understand why is that the case though.
Edit: hm, you can even manipulate a bit with the score this way.. feck me, where my mind is off the booze, now am more fascinated with that!!
Not sure I understand why is that the case though.
Edit: hm, you can even manipulate a bit with the score this way.. feck me, where my mind is off the booze, now am more fascinated with that!!
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The team is well constructed, what you adjust are the instructions. It's clear as day to me that the instruction here should be for Dunga to focus on nullifying Pirlo as the single most important mission anyone on the pitch has.
if you instruct dunga to follow pirlo all the time his midfield would be empty, to man mark pirlo it must be done from the offensive position but irrelevant for this game as gio plays differently
Ideally yes, but it's not really a job for Kaká but a different kind of player, possibly Di Maria at a push. I consider it so important though that I didn't suggest assigning it to Clodoaldo.
Clodoaldo, Di María tucking deeper and Kaká can certainly make sure that midfield isn't "empty". Dunga doesn't completely disappear from the game either, although certainly restricted.
enjoyable game @Gio
Who wins
Hard to tell when you can't check the votes
This is a scandal
I didn't understand what you meant, now I do.
Secret voting isn't a great idea, more so when you often have managers and assistants, so one side could easily have more "staff votes" to subtract and we wouldn't know, would we?
Ouch, sorry. I was starting the game in a hurry and forgot to adjust the poll.
i voted for myself, from what i noticed the only one that is AMing to a decent rate is theon and he plays this one so dont think anyone is having an AM in this draft
Yeah, obviously. Although, I always think that managers/staff would say in the end if they voted and if any of them has an assistant. Also, for example if bepo has AM and score is like 6-5 for gio bepo could (and can advise his AM) to change the votes to gio making it 8-3. Many times when people see close teams but a big margin in votes they give almost what is called "pity" vote or simply to make the score more fair comparing both teams. After that, you switch vote or votes back.
In short, there is definitely way to manipulate voting a bit when there is secret voting. Long story, am a bit bored, having some free time and love draft shenanigans*, half taking a piss here.
This is a scandal, I tell you.
*tuppet, there are still no words to express my deep admiration
I don't think so. He was playing LCB in a WM earlier on for Brazil before back 4 became popular. I thinks he's two footed with perhaps a slightly stronger left foot. There's enough footage available to check. As a LCB or a tucked in LB, I think he'll do good.
Probably too big a draft for AMs, yeah. It was a general point though but see from @harms it wasn't by design
I wouldn't call the left fullback in a WM an LCB personally
Actual term would be a fullback, but then they are closer to LCB than a FB in modern equivalent.
.....HB.....HB......
LCB....CB.....RCB
you completely missed the point
I didn’t say what Dunga was doing to be fair. Kaka’s gig was more about where he could spring from and evidencing where one of our attackers could defend.
Yeah definitely, always an intriguing tactical discussion. Enjoyed it.
I think you probably get different voting patterns with secret votes which is why we don’t routinely do them. But I have no idea where that benefits or disadvantages me or Sjor to be honest.
No, you didn't and it follows that is therefore not his instruction as else it would be worth mentioning. It was a specific question on how you set up in a defensive phase and the notion Kaká was somehow minding the guy the entire opposition gameplan hinges on looked bonkers to me. Minimise Pirlo's impact and Griezmann is a good player feeding on scraps, let him run the game and Antoine may end up being Platini.
I know, if you gave such an instruction you highlight the star man and then have stuff like what Sjor said about the midfield being empty, etc. That said, Charlton and Beckenbauer '66, Matthäus and Maradona '86... that's the sort of treatment Pirlo deserved here. A key player can be curtailed and conditioned for the simple reason the job is mission critical.
@antohan cant say i watched that much of dunga but in those 10ish games i saw he didnt really strike me as someone who would be a great man marker, he was always more like a dlp of sorts rather then high intensity, agile, autistically focused bunny that will follow you and harras you all game
Absolute scandal. No one gets out of this with his hands clean.
Think the most appropriate solution is to kick you both out.
Think the most appropriate solution is to kick you both out.
I agree he wouldn't be a no-brainer choice for a pure man marker and it feels a bit wasteful to sacrifice what Dunga otherwise brings to the table. You would be tempted to say "let's stick Clodoaldo on that mission, he was a CB anyway and likely lower rated" (wrong side, mind), or Di María as a less effective but more appropriate way to leave the midfield steady.
It is a credit to Dunga though that part of the reason to sacrifice him is the reading of the game/danger. That's why it's Charlton-Beckenbauer/Matthäus-Maradona, beyond adeptness at man-marking a major part of the job is having the requisite in-game intelligence to spot/anticipate how/where you may get hurt by the target.
It's also a credit to how you have set up. I can see that front four switching across 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 4-3-1-2, 4-2-2-2 ms and all aided by two GOAT fullbacks to boot so properly flanked whatever each asks from them.
I genuinely liked it a lot and I'm not exaggerating when I say in that sort of shape-shifting, with Pirlo orchestrating, Griezmann could have a game of Platini standards.
Robben's inclinations are more predictable, albeit problematic in their incisiveness. Park on the other hand, was not a player you planned for, not particularly creative so with a compromised Pirlo a bit meh, but in the alt scenario his movement was really clever and would go under the radar often, bringing a surprise element. I also rate Preben higher than probably anyone around here as well.
It's a great orchestra if you let Pirlo orchestrate so the name of the game is 100% stop Pirlo, period.
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cheers! Yeah, very flexible system with Pirlo as the center piece.
As for Park, him i probably rate more then anyone else and IMO that type of player is perfect for scenarios and teams like this where you are stacked in every position so a selfless runner with a great tactical mind that can also play with the ball - perfect match. Wasnt the first choice, that was Ribery but once him and Donadoni were picked it was Park all the way.
I'd argue what you lose in offensive threat/firepower you more than make up in his contribution to defensive phases. A harder sell/brand value on paper though, yeah. Could use someone like Iniesta for the eventuality of Pirlo getting targeted as Park/Gilberto wouldn't offer a Plan B.
After hanging out on the pitch for the additional 23 hours after the final whistle was blown, Passarella and Maldini (I assume? after the initial shenanigans he still somehow ended up with the captain's armband) get called in by the referee. It's a coin-toss! Maldini gets to choose the side first, although he shouldn't wait too long to do it — we all remember how Shesternyov's hesitancy cost his team the final in 1968!
- Maldini
- Passarella
Since 5 minutes have already passed, I'll give @Gio the chance to steal it Facchetti-style. Whoever posts first gets to pick a side.
Knew you will somehow mention Shesternyov when I started reading the post 
Btw. sjor already said tails
Btw. sjor already said tails
Haven't seen that!Knew you will somehow mention Shesternyov when I started reading the post
Btw. sjor already said tails
In the most surprising fashion ever,
