Biggest All-Time Draft - R1 - Gio vs Sjor

Who will win this game?

  • Gio

    Votes: 9 50.0%

  • Sjor

    Votes: 9 50.0%
  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .

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Team Gio

DEFENSIVE STRENGTH
  • The core of the defence is formed by the World Cup winning Argentinian trio of Fillol, Passarella and Ruggeri. Together they form a complementary defensive partnership that has the uncompromising physicality to square up to Elkjaer. Top shelf full-backs in Nilton Santos and Carlos Alberto complete the back line, oozing class on the ball, also excelling in defending central areas (Nilton Team of the Tournament in '54 as an LCB in a 3 / Carlos Alberto experienced in the middle), which should reduce the threat posed by Sjor's attackers cutting in from wide areas. Ahead of the defence the double-pivot of Clodoaldo and Dunga will be hard to break down and mirror the Dunga/Silva partnership of WC '94, with Clodoaldo positioned on Robben's side to minimise his risk. Elsewhere both Kaka and Di Maria provide plenty of work rate to keep tabs on Pirlo and Maldini.
CONTROL ON THE BALL
  • Given the quality across the back 6, with Passarella and Carlos Alberto two of the greatest of all time in progressing the ball into dangerous areas., I expect us to have more of the ball to provide a strong platform for the Brazilians in the team to tear it up. Further ahead Dunga impressed massively with his all-round game in the Fiorentina match compilations while the attack speaks for itself. Ronaldinho's touch and control are arguably the greatest of all time and he will help to move us into dangerous areas, also winning free-picks for Passarella and Ruggeri to then attack.
ATTACKING THRUST
  • Kaka's surging pace in tight areas will be tough for the Pirlo-Silva-Terry-Carvalho core to handle. Collectively Ronaldinho, Careca and Kaka should get on a like a house on fire, while Di Maria offers functional width and graft from the right touchline.
Team Sjor

Tactics

All about Pirlo - surrounded him with elite runners and elite defensive players in almost all positions. Im one of the biggest advocates for Pirlo being in a midfield 3 so wanted to step outside of my comfort zone and did a bloody 442 with him as the central piece and i bloody love it.
Team would be very tough to beat:
  • Central core of the best defensive side in history of PL - Cech, Carvalho and Terry
  • Elite defensive midfielder and key player of both 02 WC winners as well as Arsenal Invincibles
  • 2 GOAT Fullbacks
  • Magic on the right wing and a proven 442 winger from Heynckes Team supported by the ultimate team player and pretty much the perfect teammate of Pirlo in Ji Sung Park
  • 2 strikers that are better defensive wise then a lot of midfielders!
On the offensive end we have Pirlo running the show surrounded with bunch of support players that have a lot of firepower as well!
 
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@Gio What shape will you take in the organised defensive phase? I doubt you will be in this shape much but wondered how it would look.
 
when i saw di maria on the right i gave paolo a free night
 
Physiocrat said:
@Gio What shape will you take in the organised defensive phase? I doubt you will be in this shape much but wondered how it would look.
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4-4-2. Kaka sitting on Pirlo, Di Maria dropping in to create a midfield four. Leave Ronaldinho high ready to capitalise on the counter.
 
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He was hanging out near Sjor’s training ground and Sjor, being a good soul that he is, figured that Cole was just being awkward again and invited him onto the pitch.
 
Gio has a really fun all South American side while Sjor stole Ashley Cole and benched Maldini :lol:
 
Gio said:
Depends on the hypothetical scenario - i.e. where the ball is, where all our players are, where the opposition's are.
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I get that, just thought since Dinho is high up and Kaka is on Pirlo it would make most sense if Clodoaldo was LM most of the time in the organised defensive phase.
 
If Dinho stays up, who will defend Cafu? Nilton is toast 1v1 against Robben let alone if you add overlapping machine to the equation.
 
This bepo team is an absolute bitch to play against. Team of annoying cnuts buzzing around beautiful Italian. Ok, 2 beautiful Italians.
 
Most obvious tactical issue on the park is Kaka floating in the 10 space.

Šjor Bepo said:
If Dinho stays up, who will defend Cafu? Nilton is toast 1v1 against Robben let alone if you add overlapping machine to the equation.
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And who defends Ronaldinho when he gets the ball on the counter? I’ll take Cafu getting the ball with 8 of my players behind the ball, over Ronaldinho fronting up Carvalho and Terry with Careca buzzing around. I mean Ronaldinho has previous in taking that great Chelsea defence to the cleaners.

 
What's the story with Cole benching Maldini? Seen it mentioned in the other game as well. Was there some random player swapping across teams?
 
I'm buggered if I know who wins this.

First impression is Ronaldinho had a lot of joy against that central defensive core at their very peak... + Kaká in full flow... That front four would be fun to watch. I don't massively rate Clodoaldo but that's probably my own ignorance.

I do like the industry around Pirlo though and how the same XI can morph into various shapes and adapt to how the game evolves, or simply keep the oppo guessing on overloads / players popping up in different pockets of space.
 
antohan said:
What's the story with Cole benching Maldini? Seen it mentioned in the other game as well. Was there some random player swapping across teams?
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i forgot i had maldini and randomly put cashley instead
 
Gio said:
Most obvious tactical issue on the park is Kaka floating in the 10 space.


And who defends Ronaldinho when he gets the ball on the counter? I’ll take Cafu getting the ball with 8 of my players behind the ball, over Ronaldinho fronting up Carvalho and Terry with Careca buzzing around. I mean Ronaldinho has previous in taking that great Chelsea defence to the cleaners.

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its really not, if you simplify the game and break it to individual battles then it is but you have one team defending and attacking as one unit and the other that is more old school.

i assume kaka is on pirlo in defensive phase? if so, pirlo in my offensive phase has the freedom so kaka would be against gilberto silva not pirlo as well as he would be against a organized defensive shape of 11 players with griezmann and elkjaer actively participating in defensive phase, tbf not only participating but being key players.




yes dinho was brilliant and did had joy against chelsea but who was his direct opponent then? ferreira? here he is against the best rightback of all time
 
It didn’t really matter who Ronaldinho’s opponent was. He had plenty of joy against Cafu and Maldini’s Milan too.

Here assisting the winner in a Champions League Semi-Final



Here slicing through the heart of that legendary Milan defence to score the winner



He’s got one of the best track records of all time in taking apart elite defenders.



Nobody could really handle him so you had to shut out space with a defensive shape and hope for the best. The whole tactic here is for the rest of the team to work around him and give him freedom to wreck it up. We know that Cafu is best operating up and down the flank. We know that Ronaldinho is best staying high so he can take on defenders 1v1 in dangerous positions. What we want to do is get him in this position on a counter attack. Here he picks up the ball in his own half but in space as the full back is higher up the park. The CBs step across but they know he’s about to rinse them.

 
Šjor Bepo said:
If Dinho stays up, who will defend Cafu? Nilton is toast 1v1 against Robben let alone if you add overlapping machine to the equation.
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Given Kaka's central remit it would seem that Clodoaldo would drift to LM.

Nilton does have the advantage of being a right footed LB which is handy with Robben.

Gio's setup is quite risky but it does have its rewards.
 
@Gio


An interesting question arises regarding Passarella: How much freedom would you allow him to push forward in attack? Given that you can shift into a back three during the build-up, you could utilize Passarella as a free-moving player, advancing up the pitch to contribute to the attack. This is particularly relevant when he moves into the penalty area to capitalize on crosses from Di María( out-jumping both Cafu or/and Carvalho, or finding space between them and heading it)or even takes long-range shots. Bepo, playing with a mid-block or low block, means that breaking through their defense won't be easy, given the caliber of his defenders. However, your team already possesses a strong attack, good enough to penetrate their defense. Would you instruct Passarella to stay back, or would you encourage him to push forward when the opportunity arises in attacking phase?
 
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Di Maria seems forced in out on the right, hasn’t even had a mention.

Sjors team looks quite intimidating to play against tbh, world class striker and it would have been an easier decision
 
General_Elegancia said:
@Gio


An interesting question arises regarding Passarella: How much freedom would you allow him to push forward in attack? Given that you can shift into a back three during the build-up, you could utilize Passarella as a free-moving player, advancing up the pitch to contribute to the attack. This is particularly relevant when he moves into the penalty area to capitalize on crosses from Di María( out-jumping both Cafu or/and Carvalho, or finding space between them and heading it)or even takes long-range shots. Bepo, playing with a mid-block or low block, means that breaking through their defense won't be easy, given the caliber of his defenders. However, your team already possesses a strong attack, good enough to penetrate their defense. Would you instruct Passarella to stay back, or would you encourage him to push forward when the opportunity arises in attacking phase?
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Passarella is a phenomenal footballer and you’d want to make the most of him, particularly against a lower block where his class on the ball is necessary to unlock it. I would say that in the modern game that centre-halves influence the game by their use of the ball from the defensive line, rather than necessarily hurtling up the park like in the old days. But that aside he will overload from his starting position when he spots the opportunity. Imagine that would be effective against a 442 where the overload from the CB can instantly cause a problem. He does that in the knowledge that he has a raft of different players who can shuffle around him to backfill the space - Nilton Santos (experienced as a side CB), Clodoaldo (a CB by trade), Carlos Alberto (who can defend in the middle comfortably). Bottom line is I want to capitalise on the attacking threat of a defender who has scored almost 200 goals in his career.
 
Gio said:
It didn’t really matter who Ronaldinho’s opponent was. He had plenty of joy against Cafu and Maldini’s Milan too.

Here assisting the winner in a Champions League Semi-Final



Here slicing through the heart of that legendary Milan defence to score the winner



He’s got one of the best track records of all time in taking apart elite defenders.



Nobody could really handle him so you had to shut out space with a defensive shape and hope for the best. The whole tactic here is for the rest of the team to work around him and give him freedom to wreck it up. We know that Cafu is best operating up and down the flank. We know that Ronaldinho is best staying high so he can take on defenders 1v1 in dangerous positions. What we want to do is get him in this position on a counter attack. Here he picks up the ball in his own half but in space as the full back is higher up the park. The CBs step across but they know he’s about to rinse them.

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thats fair but also both cafu and maldini were past their best at the time.

Team is playing low block so spaces between the lines would be very small, defence core is one of the best ever helped out with literally 2 best fullbacks of all time, in front there is an elite DM not some makeshift, invented dm player from 70s that actually isnt a dm.
with all that in mind, if all we can say is feck it its ronaldinho then whats the point of even playing the game, lets just give the dinho team the win or to which ever goat people fancy the most.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
thats a myth that i thik was invented here in drafts
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Why is it a myth? Surely you would prefer to see a defender on your stronger than weaker foot? I know ow your argument about preferring sides but unless you are better at tackling with your weaker foot it seems like it is an advantage.
 
Gio said:
Passarella is a phenomenal footballer and you’d want to make the most of him, particularly against a lower block where his class on the ball is necessary to unlock it. I would say that in the modern game that centre-halves influence the game by their use of the ball from the defensive line, rather than necessarily hurtling up the park like in the old days. But that aside he will overload from his starting position when he spots the opportunity. Imagine that would be effective against a 442 where the overload from the CB can instantly cause a problem. He does that in the knowledge that he has a raft of different players who can shuffle around him to backfill the space - Nilton Santos (experienced as a side CB), Clodoaldo (a CB by trade), Carlos Alberto (who can defend in the middle comfortably). Bottom line is I want to capitalise on the attacking threat of a defender who has scored almost 200 goals in his career.
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That’s excellent view of point. Thanks for the answer

Agree with all of this
 
Physiocrat said:
Why is it a myth? Surely you would prefer to see a defender on your stronger than weaker foot? I know ow your argument about preferring sides but unless you are better at tackling with your weaker foot it seems like it is an advantage.
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when did all those right footed leftbacks dominated the game? in the era where all right wingers were right footed.
players dont care nor have a stronger or weaker side when defending.

if anything(and maybe the reason why 90% of goat leftbacks are right footed) you are quicker and more comfortable on the turn when you use your stronger leg + stronger arm for the duel
 
Gio said:
Hardly. It became the go-to tactic to dealing with Messi when he came off the right. Late 2000s examples such as Bosingwa at LB or Zanetti.
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it worked brilliantly then, muppets
 
on a serious note, playing football whole life, watching football whole life, coaching football for almost a decade now and never ever i heard about that outside drafts
 
Šjor Bepo said:
thats fair but also both cafu and maldini were past their best at the time.

Team is playing low block so spaces between the lines would be very small, defence core is one of the best ever helped out with literally 2 best fullbacks of all time, in front there is an elite DM not some makeshift, invented dm player from 70s that actually isnt a dm.
with all that in mind, if all we can say is feck it its ronaldinho then whats the point of even playing the game, lets just give the dinho team the win or to which ever goat people fancy the most.
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I get that. My point is more about what happens in transition. We started the convo with what Cafu does when he goes forward in transition, my response is what about Ronaldinho? There’s a tactical situation where he is going to get space against Carvalho/Terry whoever.
 
Gio said:
I get that. My point is more about what happens in transition. We started the convo with what Cafu does when he goes forward in transition, my response is what about Ronaldinho? There’s a tactical situation where he is going to get space against Carvalho/Terry whoever.
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but its not just terry and carvalho...
obviously maldini will stay back when Cafu goes so in start you have a back 3, Gilberto would never go up so its 4 players staying as protection and then as you said it also depends whats happening on the pitch, maybe Pirlo stays deeper or if he is higher up then Park can move a bit centrally and keep an eye on the counter - could hardly get a better player for that role considering his tactical nous.
Also, worth to mention again my two strikers that are elite in defensive transition as is Cafu who would bomb down on the lost possession if needed.
 
antohan said:
But Maldini is playing in a different game with Cashley watching? Or is Maldini not meant to be in that other team? :confused:
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in what game is maldini playing? cashley is playing for someone else while maldini is mine....guess when i was making my team after 3 chelsea players i just went full abramovic and added cole as well
 
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