Best Striker in the World

You could say the same with Mbappe with your logic. Only done it for top 2 team in France (not done it in a top 3 league yet) and international football but he's still the best according to you.

You guys were talking like Dortmund and Salzburg are nobodies.. Then, I gave you examples of players in Bundesliga who scored more than Haaland despite playing for worse teams than Dortmund..

Lewa played for Bayern in 1-team league Bundesliga, yet was considered the best striker in Europe for many years. There goes your argument about Mbappe playing in Ligue 1..

I feel that many people in this thread are stats obsessed and does not watch games. It is quite funny for me to see people comparing a one dimensional striker like Haaland with Mbappe. Mbappe can easily produce similar goal output like Haaland, but there is no way Haaland can match Mbappe in terms of his skills set, a way more complete player..

The guy destroyed City, when he was playing for Monaco at the age of 18 in the CL leading his team to the CL semis.. not to mention his iconic performances in 2 WCs, very exciting player to watch just like R9..
 
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Mbappe has never played in a top league and international football is a notch below that too. He's not progressed much at PSG and his loose touch and kick and run approach would raise questions over his likely effectiveness in the PL. Haaland has come to the league, stepped up, and answered all his critics.

https://www.football365.com/news/ky...s-paris-saint-germain-france-champions-league

On the subject of Haaland. I dont really believe he had many critics. Most people could recognize how lethal he was. There seems to be this perennial narrative that nothing counts unless its in the PL. Which means that we might as well forget about strikers like Zlatan and Lewandowski. I know Zlatan played here for 1 season when he's was old but the bulk of his career was elsewhere.

Same thing with Messi. Like he had to "prove" himself because he spent 20 years at Barcelona which is hardly a negative if your the type of person who appreciates some club loyalty. But la liga was called a farmers league as well.
 
Kane never played for City. I am not sure Haaland will have the same numbers if he played for Spurs all his career.
But anyway I agree that Haaland is a freak.
Haaland has a goal a game for every team he has played for. If it's just about the teams then why does Haaland have 25 goals in 26 games for Norway? Does Kane average a goal a game for England (a much better team than Norway)? Of course not. His record for England is very good but it is not 'freakish', to use your terminology.
 
Mbappe has never played in a top league and international football is a notch below that too. He's not progressed much at PSG and his loose touch and kick and run approach would raise questions over his likely effectiveness in the PL. Haaland has come to the league, stepped up, and answered all his critics.
Complete nonsense. Like from start to finish. Mbappe holds the record for the most goals scored in by far the biggest and most pressure filled game in world football. He has also scored in literally every notable stadium in Europe in the CL. Please do better.

Also, I'm not sure why Mbappe us even in this discussion. I thought it was meant to be about number 9s.
 
That's what might happen when you play against Sevilla, Zenit, Brugge and Lazio.. sounds more like Europa League teams he played against..

Also, he could never lead Bundesliga as the top goal-scorer, could not even finish as the 2nd..

Yeah because he was only there for 2 seasons and an established Lewa in a better team was at the peak of his career and the best striker in the world, arguably the best player in the world too.

What's your overall point even? Haaland at the age of 23 hasn't proven himself in every scenario possible? I'm sure he'll prove a lot more in the career as he plays more seasons.

You really think Haaland wouldn't be a prolific goal scorer as much as Kane at Tottenham? Any sensible person can see he would and he's a natural top goal scorer wherever he plays.

You're going nowhere with your arguments. You're just nitpicking stats which will eventually get proven wrong as Haaland keeps playing. You were probably in the "he wouldn't score as much in the prem as he did in Bundesliga" camp before he joined city.
 
What are the measurements to rate the best number 9 currently in world football, if they are the following;
All areas to be rated out if 10


Player. RL. EH. HK
Finishing 9. 8.5. 9
Pace 7. 9. 7
Strength/physicality 8.5. 10. 9
Playmaking 8. 6. 10
Leadership 8. 7.5. 8
Big Game temperament 9. 9. 9
Technical ability 9. 8. 9.5
Workrate 8. 9. 9
Goals to game ratio 8. 10. 8.5
Aerial Threat 8. 10. 9

Total. 80.5. 87. 88


Right now Harry Kane is the best all round number 9 in world football, however E Haaland will very shortly dominate that position for the next 5-7 years at worst. Robert Lewandowski was the best number 9 with K Benzema for the previous 5/6 years.
 
What has happened to world class strikers in recent years? And why have academy coaches been allowed to get away with not developing any?
 
Complete nonsense. Like from start to finish. Mbappe holds the record for the most goals scored in by far the biggest and most pressure filled game in world football. He has also scored in literally every notable stadium in Europe in the CL. Please do better.

Also, I'm not sure why Mbappe us even in this discussion. I thought it was meant to be about number 9s.

International football is miles behind top league football in terms of quality and intensity. Mbappe has had very little exposure to that kind of football.
 
International football is miles behind top league football in terms of quality and intensity. Mbappe has had very little exposure to that kind of football.

He's performed very well in the CL. Im not sure i would belittle international football as such. I dont see players doing it. Surely the occasion and opponent matters.
 
He's performed very well in the CL. Im not sure i would belittle international football as such. I dont see players doing it. Surely the occasion and opponent matters.

The prestige of international football is unrivalled but a team like City would rack up a cricket score against the best international sides. I don't think there's any debate about that. Performance in internationals has little relevance in club football as we see each World Cup when a breakout star gets snapped up by a big club and fails.
 
The prestige of international football is unrivalled but a team like City would rack up a cricket score against the best international sides. I don't think there's any debate about that. Performance in internationals has little relevance in club football as we see each World Cup when a breakout star gets snapped up by a big club and fails.

No doubt they would win most games out of 10 but even a mediocre united side under Solskjær had their number.
 
What are the measurements to rate the best number 9 currently in world football, if they are the following;
All areas to be rated out if 10


Player. RL. EH. HK
Finishing 9. 8.5. 9
Pace 7. 9. 7
Strength/physicality 8.5. 10. 9
Playmaking 8. 6. 10
Leadership 8. 7.5. 8
Big Game temperament 9. 9. 9
Technical ability 9. 8. 9.5
Workrate 8. 9. 9
Goals to game ratio 8. 10. 8.5
Aerial Threat 8. 10. 9

Total. 80.5. 87. 88


Right now Harry Kane is the best all round number 9 in world football, however E Haaland will very shortly dominate that position for the next 5-7 years at worst. Robert Lewandowski was the best number 9 with K Benzema for the previous 5/6 years.

Robert Lewandowski has the most headed goals after Cristiano Ronaldo.


He's better in the air than both Haaland and Kane.
 
Have people forgotten Haaland was winning UCL golden boot with Dortmund. Yes he plays for City, but that doesn't mean we will discount his ridiculous goal scoring talent. Since joining Salzburg, Haaland has been scoring at over 1 goal per 90.
Haaland is a poor man's Gerd Muller being spoonfed probably by the most dominant PL team of all time with or without him, and always ghosts in the most important games.. City scored more the prior year without him, playing without a proper striker..

Put Kane, Lewa, Benzema, even a 38 year-old Ronaldo in that team, and they would all score tons.. the amount of chances that City creates is crazy, I don't think people realize how dominant City is with or without him..

Mbappe is the real deal, a real spectacular big game-changer, very exciting to watch just like R9, a much more versatile player.. Haaland other than his limited passing, off the ball skills is also boring to watch.. He does not have this X factor associated with geniuses like R9, Romario, Van Basten etc..

I would say
1. Mbappe
2. Kane
3. Haaland
A poor man's Gerd Muller...

As if Muller, Lewa, Mbappe, Messi, Ronaldo etc. hasn't been spoonfed in similarly or more dominant clubs. R9 was really special but unfortunately we didn't see his full potential because of injuries, he still never scored at the same rate. Not even in that one Barca season. City doesn't create more chances than Bayern or PSG or RM or Barca did a few years ago.

xG created in the league games so far this season (top 5 leagues):
Bayern 3,33 xG/90
Leverkusen 3,05 xG/90
Inter 2,71 xG/90
Liverpool 2,52 xG/90
City 2,49 xG/90
Stuttgart 2,47 xG/90
Brighton 2,38 xG/90
Monaco 2,38 xG/90
Barca 2,26 xG/90
PSG 2,23 xG/90

xG for PSG, Bayern, City, Liverpool, Barca, Real Madrid and Dortmund in relevant seasons (I don't have numbers older than 14/15 season) :
Dortmund while Haaland was there (2020 - 2022): 1,89 - 2,03 - 1,93 and City (2022/23): 2,22
Bayern (2018 - 2022) when they dominated the most while Lewa was there: 2,71 - 2,73 - 2,23 - 2,94
PSG while Mbappe has been there (2017 - 2023) 2,27 - 2,17 - 2,21 - 2,83 - 2,51 - 2,37
Barca and Real Madrid averaged between 2,4 and 3,0 between 2014 - 2018 and I suspect they were even higher in the superdominant periods before that. Barca scored 100+ goals in Laliga 6 seasons in a row between 2011 and 2017, Real Madrid did it 8 seasons in a row between 2009 and 2017 and both had multipe seasons with 110+ goals. City has scored 100+ twice (peak 106)

I really can't see how Haaland's been spoonfed any more than any of the other top strikers, quite the opposite.

...and still:
Since the start of the 19/20 season when Haaland exploded in to the scene as a 19 year old for clubs and country:

Haaland:
199 goals (29 pens) and 44 assists in 15691 minutes for Salzburg, Dortmund, City and Norway:
1,14 goals/90
0,98 non penalty goals/90
1,40 goals+assists/90
1,23 non penalty goal + assists/90

Mbappe:
187 goals (27 pens) and 79 assists in 17435 minutes for a stacked PSG in Ligue 1 (this is a joke) and a stacked France:
0,96 goals/90
0,82 non penalty goals/90
1,37 goals+assists/90
1,23 non penalty goal + assists/90

Lewa:
216 goals (30 pens) and 50 assists in 19156 minutes for a stacked Bayern in Bundesliga, Barca and Poland:
1,01 goals/90
0,87 non penalty goals/90
1,25 goals+assists/90
1,10 non penalty goal + assists/90

Kane:
161 goals (37 pens) and 51 assists in 19675 minutes for Spurs, Bayern and England:
0,74 goals/90
0,57 non penalty goals/90
0,97 goals+assists/90
0,80 non penalty goal + assists/90

Talking about players being focal points in dominant teams through their peaks:
Ronaldo for RM in all comps: 450 goals (79 pens) and 131 assists in 37833 minutes
1,07 goals/90
0,88 non penalty goals/90
1,38 goals+assists/90
1,19 non penalty goal + assists/90
Behind Haaland in all end product parameters.

Messi for Barca in all comps: 672 goals (84 pens) and 303 assists in 63507 minutes
0,95 goals/90
0,83 non penalty goals/90
1,38 goals+assists/90
1,26 non penalty goal + assists/90
Behind on all but non penalty goal contributions/90 (where he's marginally ahead)

Do you really think Haaland has had a huge advantage against the others when it comes to playing for a stacked team? Is 2023 City a more stacked team than 2010-15 Barca? How do you rate Haalands current support crew, Alvarez-Doku-Foden vs. Xavi-Iniesta-Neymar/Villa/Fabregas?
Haaland has just completed his first season at a major club and won a treble.

Haalands record in the CL for Dortmund and Salzburg:
23 goals (3 pens)and 3 asssists in 1463 minutes (19 games): 1,42 goals/90 - 1,24 non penalty goals/90 - 1,60 G+A/90 - 1,42 npg+A/90
25 goals in 26 games for Norway.
Was he helped by playing for really dominant teams then as well?

He has about as much X-factor as you can have. At 23 he's already by far the biggest star in the best league, by a distance. He get's 50M a year to wear Nike shoes....
City won their first treble in his first season and he scored 52 goals.

The fact that you think he's boring to watch has to do with taste, not his talent.

Btw:
Van Basten in a top 5 league for Milan: 125 goals and 49 assists in 17287 minutes (201 games) - Best season 33 goals in all comps (47 games) - Champions League 19 goals in 27 games. 24 goals in 58 games for Netherlands....
Romario in top 5 league teams: 45 goals in 77 games (6469 minutes) - 12 goals in 24 games in the CL - went back to Brazil...
Loved watching both, but they were not monsters like Haaland.
 
Don’t know what’s the argument about.

Best striker in the world currently, Haaland by far, and miles ahead of everyone else.

Top goalscorer in best league, broke all time record in best league, won treble in his first season, have similar goal ratio everywhere else he played (City, Dortmund, Salzburg, Denmark), has probably the best goalscoring stats at age 23 in football history.

Maybe some of you don’t like the fact he played for City. Otherwise I couldn’t think of a single reason why he isn’t the best striker in the world.
 
Don’t know what’s the argument about.

Best striker in the world currently, Haaland by far, and miles ahead of everyone else.

Top goalscorer in best league, broke all time record in best league, won treble in his first season, have similar goal ratio everywhere else he played (City, Dortmund, Salzburg, Denmark), has probably the best goalscoring stats at age 23 in football history.

Maybe some of you don’t like the fact he played for City. Otherwise I couldn’t think of a single reason why he isn’t the best striker in the world.
This, he's miles ahead of the others. Can't even believe this a debate.
 
Don’t know what’s the argument about.

Best striker in the world currently, Haaland by far, and miles ahead of everyone else.

Top goalscorer in best league, broke all time record in best league, won treble in his first season, have similar goal ratio everywhere else he played (City, Dortmund, Salzburg, Denmark), has probably the best goalscoring stats at age 23 in football history.

Maybe some of you don’t like the fact he played for City. Otherwise I couldn’t think of a single reason why he isn’t the best striker in the world.

If only.
 
Don’t know what’s the argument about.

Best striker in the world currently, Haaland by far, and miles ahead of everyone else.

Top goalscorer in best league, broke all time record in best league, won treble in his first season, have similar goal ratio everywhere else he played (City, Dortmund, Salzburg, Denmark), has probably the best goalscoring stats at age 23 in football history.

Maybe some of you don’t like the fact he played for City. Otherwise I couldn’t think of a single reason why he isn’t the best striker in the world.

He isn’t miles ahead of Kane at all, but your name gives clues to how you judge players..

it’s hardly like for example Kane can win the treble with Spurs, let’s see what happens while he’s at Bayern..
 
International football is miles behind top league football in terms of quality and intensity. Mbappe has had very little exposure to that kind of football.
What is the actual evidence for international football being 'miles behind' top club football?

And the other statement about Mbappe having little exposure to top club football is just idiotic. He plays in the Champions League every year.
 
Don’t know what’s the argument about.

Best striker in the world currently, Haaland by far, and miles ahead of everyone else.

Top goalscorer in best league, broke all time record in best league, won treble in his first season, have similar goal ratio everywhere else he played (City, Dortmund, Salzburg, Denmark), has probably the best goalscoring stats at age 23 in football history.

Maybe some of you don’t like the fact he played for City. Otherwise I couldn’t think of a single reason why he isn’t the best striker in the world.

The debate is that Kane offers a lot more outside of goals and many believe that if Kane had played for the same clubs, in the same leagues he would have a similar goal output. Seems to be showing this so far at Bayern.
 
The debate is that Kane offers a lot more outside of goals and many believe that if Kane had played for the same clubs, in the same leagues he would have a similar goal output. Seems to be showing this so far at Bayern.

Haaland has demonstrated extreme goal output even when not playing for City. And someone showed using numbers that City don't create way more chances than other teams.
 
Haaland has demonstrated extreme goal output even when not playing for City. And someone showed using numbers that City don't create way more chances than other teams.

I believe that if you put Kane in any team that Haaland has ever played for he would have a similar goal output.

This is the first time in his senior career that he isn't playing for an average to good team in the most competitive league in the world and he is scoring at a similar rate to Haaland's best.

If you swap Haaland for Kane then Bayern get worse and City get better in my opinion.
 
I believe that if you put Kane in any team that Haaland has ever played for he would have a similar goal output.

This is the first time in his senior career that he isn't playing for an average to good team in the most competitive league in the world and he is scoring at a similar rate to Haaland's best.

If you swap Haaland for Kane then Bayern get worse and City get better in my opinion.

This is not based on anything factual (I know you've caveated it with "my opinion").

Kane has started well with Bayern so far but you're extrapolating his scoring over a few games and comparing it to Haaland's goal/game average. He'll need to keep this level of production up over a season minimum for your argument to have any validity beyond personal opinion.
 
This is not based on anything factual (I know you've caveated it with "my opinion").

Kane has started well with Bayern so far but you're extrapolating his scoring over a few games and comparing it to Haaland's goal/game average. He'll need to keep this level of production up over a season minimum for your argument to have any validity beyond personal opinion.

Yes they have been in different teams.

Kane scored 30 in 38 for a very mediocre team in by far the most competitive league in the world. Imagining he wouldn't score 60 in 67 for the second best team in Germany at a time Weghorst was scoring for fun there is silly.

He is a better player and just as good a goal scorer and this will be proved this season and going forward.
 
The debate is that Kane offers a lot more outside of goals and many believe that if Kane had played for the same clubs, in the same leagues he would have a similar goal output. Seems to be showing this so far at Bayern.
I mean the debate is about the best "striker" in the world, not the best all round CF or attacking player or something. Of course the primarily role of a "striker" is to score goals for his team. Sure Kane is a good striker too, but there's no way he is better "striker" than Haaland. Not a chance.
 
Can someone explain to me why Mpabbe isnt a striker? Just because he isnt playing the poacher role his game is all about being the recipient of the final ball so he can put it in the net. Formations and roles have changed over the years so the main man who's role is to score goals doesnt really change if you start out wide to drift into the box to put it into the net.
 
Starting to think it's Santiago Gimenez if he keeps this up :nervous:

Feck I ám starting to sound like Amadeus. I don't know how to handle this sustained success.
 
Can someone explain to me why Mpabbe isnt a striker? Just because he isnt playing the poacher role his game is all about being the recipient of the final ball so he can put it in the net. Formations and roles have changed over the years so the main man who's role is to score goals doesnt really change if you start out wide to drift into the box to put it into the net.
Because he mainly plays as a winger. It is a different role, and a different style of play. Both a striker and a winger can be the main scorers of their team, but they do attack in different ways.

Very simple broken down a striker moves towards the goal between the CBs, a winger cutting inside usually will use the gap between CB and FB. A striker therefore usually needs to be able to deal with physically strong defenders, while a winger has to overcome a mix of physically strong and more agile (the usual FB is a lot smaller but faster than the usual CB) defenders. Also a winger always plays towards the goal (or at least towards the middle, with the sideline in his back), while a striker often has to play with his back to his goal because the actual play is happening behind him most of the time.

All of that is just a very rough general rule as it does depend a lot on the actual tactical setup, but there are reasons to have a separate view of wingers and strikers.

Nonetheless it's absolutely possible that the best winger is a better player and/or scorer than the best striker.
 
I believe that if you put Kane in any team that Haaland has ever played for he would have a similar goal output.

This is the first time in his senior career that he isn't playing for an average to good team in the most competitive league in the world and he is scoring at a similar rate to Haaland's best.

If you swap Haaland for Kane then Bayern get worse and City get better in my opinion.
Not a chance. That's your wish only.

Let me just put it this way, Haaland scored 23 goals in 19 games in CL for Dortmund and Salzburg.

Kane has 19 goals in 29 games for Spur in CL, which also looks impressive.

But there's quite a huge gap between the two there, and don't tell me Spur is an inferior team to Dortmund and Salzburg in CL.

Kane is a great striker, but Haaland is comparable to all time great level of striker at their respective age.
 
Because he mainly plays as a winger. It is a different role, and a different style of play. Both a striker and a winger can be the main scorers of their team, but they do attack in different ways.

Very simple broken down a striker moves towards the goal between the CBs, a winger cutting inside usually will use the gap between CB and FB. A striker therefore usually needs to be able to deal with physically strong defenders, while a winger has to overcome a mix of physically strong and more agile (the usual FB is a lot smaller but faster than the usual CB) defenders. Also a winger always plays towards the goal (or at least towards the middle, with the sideline in his back), while a striker often has to play with his back to his goal because the actual play is happening behind him most of the time.

All of that is just a very rough general rule as it does depend a lot on the actual tactical setup, but there are reasons to have a separate view of wingers and strikers.

Nonetheless it's absolutely possible that the best winger is a better player and/or scorer than the best striker.

In addition to this, there is a strong perception that he is not a striker given the fact that he has a very large speakerphone and has repeatedly expressed some reservations about playing the number 9 role. He has also played with Falcao, Cavani, Giroud who are more readily identified as strikers with striker qualities.
 
What is the actual evidence for international football being 'miles behind' top club football?

And the other statement about Mbappe having little exposure to top club football is just idiotic. He plays in the Champions League every year.
I am not making a comment on Mbappe with this, but international football is pretty weak, there are no international teams that are as good as top club teams.
 
It’s Harry Kane. The only areas where Halaand is better than Kane is pace, strength, having a harder shot and having the greatest PR in the world.
 
Yes they have been in different teams.

Kane scored 30 in 38 for a very mediocre team in by far the most competitive league in the world. Imagining he wouldn't score 60 in 67 for the second best team in Germany at a time Weghorst was scoring for fun there is silly.

He is a better player and just as good a goal scorer and this will be proved this season and going forward.
The debate is that Kane offers a lot more outside of goals and many believe that if Kane had played for the same clubs, in the same leagues he would have a similar goal output. Seems to be showing this so far at Bayern.
Kane's 30 goals in the PL last season was very impressive and the best he's done in his career for sure, but please explain how he was better than Haaland last season and why his numbers would also be all time best in the PL and top scorer in the CL if they swopped places:

Comparison :
PL:
Kane: 30 goals (5 pens) (Personal record in his 9th season) and 3 assists in 3414 minutes (38 games) - 114 minutes per goal / 103 minutes per goal contribution.
Haaland: 36 goals (7 pens) (all time PL record in his 1st season) and 8 assists in 2803 minutes (35 games) - 78 minutes per goal / 64 minutes per goal contribution. Scored 2 and assisted 2 against Arsenal in City's 2 wins against them in the title race to win them the title.

CL:
Kane: 1 goal and 2 assists in 720 minutes (8 games).
Haaland: 12 goals and 1 assist in 846 minutes (11 games) - Top scorer of the tournament and winner of the title.

League cup:
Kane: 0 goals and 0 assists in their exit in their first match against NF
Haaland: 1 goal (in their win against Liverpool) and 0 assists in 107 minutes and did nothing from the bench in their exit against Southampton.

FA Cup:
Kane: 1 goal and 0 assist in 115 minutes exit in the 5th round against SU (did nothing there when he comes off the bench)
Haaland: 3 goals and 0 assists in 311 minutes - they won the title.

Total:
Kane 32 goals and 5 assists in 4302 minutes - 134 minutes per goal / 116 minutes per goal contribution.
Haaland 52 goals and 9 assists in 4131 minutes - 79 minutes per goal / 68 minutes per goal contribution.

Quick bonus question:
Would Haaland be able to replicate Kane's record in the Nations League if he played up top for England?
Kane in the Nations league: 3 goals (2 pens!!) and 4 assists in 18 games (1432 minutes per non penalty goal)
 
Robert Lewandowski has the most headed goals after Cristiano Ronaldo.


He's better in the air than both Haaland and Kane.

I would agree on this but I’m basing it on 2023 RL not prime if it was 28-32 year old RL he would be first
 
What is the actual evidence for international football being 'miles behind' top club football?

And the other statement about Mbappe having little exposure to top club football is just idiotic. He plays in the Champions League every year.

He's got roughly 15 or 20 games against top opponents in his entire career. City, Bayern, Madrid, Liverpool, Juventus, Barcelona and us if you can call the last couple top opponents. Its not really enough to judge him vs the worlds best, whereas Haaland has come to the toughest league and torn it apart.
 
He's got roughly 15 or 20 games against top opponents in his entire career. City, Bayern, Madrid, Liverpool, Juventus, Barcelona and us if you can call the last couple top opponents. Its not really enough to judge him vs the worlds best, whereas Haaland has come to the toughest league and torn it apart.

So those extra games against Fulham, Crystal Palace and Bournemouth made all the different for Haaland, huh?
 
Not a chance. That's your wish only.

Let me just put it this way, Haaland scored 23 goals in 19 games in CL for Dortmund and Salzburg.

Kane has 19 goals in 29 games for Spur in CL, which also looks impressive.

But there's quite a huge gap between the two there, and don't tell me Spur is an inferior team to Dortmund and Salzburg in CL.

Kane is a great striker, but Haaland is comparable to all time great level of striker at their respective age.

My wish? It's just what I believe. I couldn't care less about either player.

A moderate difference in a small sample size of mostly champions league group games doesn't make the difference.