You have to admit, "does barely anything outside of goals" is an odd criticism of a striker. His scrambled egg not as good as it could be?
Haaland scored twice in the final for Dortmund's DFB cup win 2021.In what final did Haaland decide the game and score goals? Kane won the world cup golden boot remember among many other big games he has scored and won the game for his team in.
The list I've dropped here are just numbers dropped for players previously discussed in this thread, not my personal top 10-list.I might have missed how you came up with that specific top 10 but why not show the current top 10 from the big five leagues instead? (Obviously the data must be easily available to do that. I am unsure if that is given.)
Definitely thank you for your effort!
Hard to argue against Lukaku being a top 10 striker in the world while at Inter from 19-21 (when the initial lists were made)?Lukaku in the initial list. Deary me.
Impossible to know how RM would have done with Haaland in that team. I take my hat off for Benzema contribution to RMs season though. Bravo!Do you think if you put Haaland in that Madrid team last season, they are winning the CL? Was Haaland better than him last season? Or anybody else? The stats tell only one part of the story. There's a reason the Ballon d'Or is a foregone conclusion at this point, Benzema was head and shoulders above everybody else.
That's not fair to him. He was in a physically better shape and he was used in a way that suited him more. Which isn't being a 9 always in the front line, but allowing him to run at defences with speed. His skillset doesn't really fit his body, which is why he has such a weird career.Re lukaku above, it would have been rather easy to argue against him being top 10. Anyone that watched any of him knew he was still the same shit player we had and Chelsea bought, he was just in a weaker, slower league where his lack of anything decent outside his final finish didn't matter.
Could you describe his skillset to me? That might explain our differences in opinion.That's not fair to him. He was in a physically better shape and he was used in a way that suited him more. Which isn't being a 9 always in the front line, but allowing him to run at defences with speed. His skillset doesn't really fit his body, which is why he has such a weird career.
Imho he is a fast and powerful player who is good enough at dribbling that he can just bulldoze through a defence. He can be used as a great counter attacking striker or even cutting inside from the wing. A more physical Rashford in a way, and that's how he was used in Italy when he had his best seasons.Could you describe his skillset to me? That might explain our differences in opinion.
How can people put anyone on Benzema level?
1. He is incredible goalscorer,
2. His all around game is easily best in the world when it comes to strikers,
3. and he's winning trophies, and recent CL trophy he's won basically single handedly for his team.
Hardly anyone besides Lewandowski ticks 2 out of these 3 boxes, so I have no idea how can people put anyone on his level, let alone as better than him.
I mean, we're talking about a 29 year old with 68 goals and 15 assists for his national team, 343 goals and 103 assists on senior level. I'm pretty sure the hype didn't come out of nowhere.....How many active footballers can you mention with a better record? Not many.I didn't actually believe Lukaku was one of the top 10 strikers in the world last year. He had a lot of hype around him then and was sold for £100m, so I put him in there.
I think it's sad there's very few top strikers who are proper 9s - most of the best are the older ones (Benzema, Lewandowski). Even Kane and Lukaku nearly 30. Haaland is so far ahead of any remotely similiar player under 29. Not that long ago there would dozens of quality strikers around at any one time.
Football always goes in cycles though, expect we'll see more again before long.
Kanes all round game is not as good as Benzemas.Kane ticks 2 of the three also.
I'm not going to argue that Benzema didn't have a fantastic 21/22 season. It was phenomenal!Are numbers everything though? Halaand does barely anything outside of goals. Someone like Benzema is a completely footballer and for me I'd have him anyday over the Norwegian.
Kanes all round game is not as good as Benzemas.
Not it is not. It's a criticism forever put against Inzaghi and why he would never compare to players like Shevchenko, Del Piero, Henry etc.
Same with Nistelroy and why he was chucked out of united. And Nistelroy was better in the buildup than Inzaghi and Haaland.
Okay so Halaand is better because he's 22 and Benzema is 35 despite Benzema basically being the best player on the planet.I'm not going to argue that Benzema didn't have a fantastic 21/22 season. It was phenomenal!
He's turning 35 in December and crushed his second best season by far last season, he scored 12 goals more than in his 2nd best season and contributed to 50+ goals for only the 2nd time of his career.
In the 12 seasons he played for Real prior to last season he's scored 30 or more goals in all comps 3 times (30, 30 ad 32) and contributed to 40 or more goals 3 times (40, 41 and 51).
So last season is pretty much what you can call a "one off" season for him.
Haaland only had 29 goals and 8 assists last season (in 2388 minutes though), but was injured for long periods. In the 2 seasons prior to last season he scored 41 and contributet to 53 goals and scored 44 and contributed to 54 the year before. He was then 19 and 20 years old.... He has 20 goals and 3 assists in his first 21 games for Norway and 23 goals and 3 assists in his first 19 games in the CL....When the numbers are this extreme and this consistant, then the numbers does matter.
He's just turned 22 and has started his City career with 6 goals in his first 4 games in the PL. At his age Benzema had just made the move to Real and scored 9 goals and made 6 assists in his first season there. Haaland made 109 goalcontributions in 89 games for for Dortmund aged 19-21, Benzema made 93 goalcontributions in 148 (2750 minutes more) games for Lyon aged 17-21. Haaland also had more assists in his 89 games for Dortmund than Benzema had in his 148 games for Lyon....
Kanes all round game is not as good as Benzemas.
We agree that Benzema was better last season, now let's see if he can replicate that season. There is nothing that suggests that Haaland will slow down or not continue to improve and deliver even more scary numbers in the years to come. Benzema is turning 35 and just delivered a "one off" season compared to the rest of his 17 years long senior career, where he played second fiddle to a better striker or was a tier below the very best.Okay so Halaand is better because he's 22 and Benzema is 35 despite Benzema basically being the best player on the planet.
You improved as a team from chugging him nonethelessThat was to do with his spat with Ronaldo 7 CR.
Conversely, let's see if Haaland will replicate his form in a new tougher league.We agree that Benzema was better last season, now let's see if he can replicate that season. There is nothing that suggests that Haaland will slow down or not continue to improve and deliver even more scary numbers in the years to come. Benzema is turning 35 and just delivered a "one off" season compared to the rest of his 17 years long senior career, where he played second fiddle to a better striker or was a tier below the very best.
Kane's passing. Show me the stats that shows Kane's passing and creativity is better than Benzema's, Lewandowski's or even Haaland's for that matter? Well, you don't have to. Numbers for club in leaguegames and European comps since the start of last season:But it’s no far off and certainly better than Lewandowski all round game.
Kane is a better passer than Benzema, Benzema is a a better dribbler has a better touch and a more naturally gifted footballer, but after him Kane is right behind in terms of top forwards who can score and create also.
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| Player | Span | Nation | Pos | Squad | 90s | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | TotDist | PrgDist | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Ast | xA | A-xA | KP | 1/3 | PPA | CrsPA | Prog |
| Erling Haaland | 2021-22 to 2022-23 | no NOR | FW | 2 squads | 27.1 | 414 | 578 | 71.6 | 5178 | 1032 | 254 | 331 | 76.7 | 105 | 147 | 71.4 | 12 | 23 | 52.2 | 9 | 6.5 | +2.5 | 28 | 17 | 24 | 0 | 45 |
| Harry Kane | 2021-22 to 2022-23 | eng ENG | FW | Tottenham | 42.9 | 730 | 1044 | 69.9 | 14731 | 4651 | 310 | 400 | 77.5 | 266 | 355 | 74.9 | 136 | 208 | 65.4 | 10 | 9.7 | +0.3 | 58 | 103 | 49 | 11 | 134 |
| Robert Lewandowski | 2021-22 to 2022-23 | pl POL | FW | 2 squads | 45.4 | 817 | 1054 | 77.5 | 11755 | 2278 | 514 | 618 | 83.2 | 224 | 284 | 78.9 | 45 | 73 | 61.6 | 6 | 7.8 | -1.8 | 61 | 56 | 48 | 4 | 81 |
| Karim Benzema | 2021-22 to 2022-23 | fr FRA | FW | Real Madrid | 44.1 | 1629 | 1937 | 84.1 | 24113 | 5373 | 962 | 1093 | 88.0 | 474 | 553 | 85.7 | 116 | 146 | 79.5 | 14 | 12.3 | +1.7 | 85 | 117 | 117 | 5 | 207 |
Yeah, sure. But at the end of the day a win is when you score more goals than you concede. If your midfield and defense can keep the opponents out and your striker scores a lot of goals - you win. And that is the only thing that matters.In the modern game you expect to see your striker involved in build up play and possibly dropping deeper at times. It's quite rare to see an out and out striker now that is purely all about goals. Personally if a player isn't great at the other stuff but amazing at putting the ball in the back of the net I would think they are missing something even though I'd think they were a great goal scorer.
Stupidest post in this thread.That's a horrendous list. Ronald and nunez couldn't touch kane at the minute. Wind up?
Wow!Stupidest post in this thread.
Feck Harry Kane. He scores a lot of meaningless goals in a lot of meaningless games, but he almost always disappears in big games. He has never won SHIT in his life, and his career is not good enough to shine the shoes of Ronaldo's career. Ronaldo is one of the greatest players that has ever played this game, and as recently as last season he scored more than Kane in Premier League (!), while playing for a worse side, so - you don't know what you are talking about, Kane fanboy.
As for Nunez - he is young and hungry, and I would have him in my team over Kane, any day of the week.
Are we talking about the same Kane who went on strike demanding to be released by Spurs? Or are we rewriting the past? He is there because he couldn't leave, not because he is loyalWow!
You still think Ronny saved us a last season? I'd have our "28/8-2021 squad" over that Spurs squad any day of the week.
As much as I like Nunes, he still has a lot to prove before he enters this conversation though.
I actually respect Kane for choosing to be a clubman over chasing trophies. It hurt his legacy for none English people, but it will probably put him on the top of the list of legends in the Spurs.
I just don't think he is as good as many in here thinks he is. Still world class though.
No doubt Spurs fans will love him to bits and he's a legend indeed, but surely it will be remembered how he (multiple times) tried to force a move?Wow!
You still think Ronny saved us a last season? I'd have our "28/8-2021 squad" over that Spurs squad any day of the week.
As much as I like Nunes, he still has a lot to prove before he enters this conversation though.
I actually respect Kane for choosing to be a clubman over chasing trophies. It hurt his legacy for none English people, but it will probably put him on the top of the list of legends in the Spurs.
I just don't think he is as good as many in here thinks he is. Still world class though.
Are we talking about the same Kane who went on strike demanding to be released by Spurs? Or are we rewriting the past? He is there because he couldn't leave, not because he is loyal
It is definitely a stain on his Spurs legacy, I guess he finally realized he was never going to win a trophy with them after all.No doubt Spurs fans will love him to bits and he's a legend indeed, but surely it will be remembered how he (multiple times) tried to force a move?
