Best manager to suit our current squad.

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Seen it phrased around a few threads of late that we need another rebuild, players are crap etc.

We can’t afford another rebuild even if that was the case, we’ve just spunked 600m on ETHs old Ajax mates.

Who is the best manager in world football that could work with what we currently have and how would they play?
 
Oo0AahCantona said:
Seen it phrased around a few threads of late that we need another rebuild, players are crap etc.

We can’t afford another rebuild even if that was the case, we’ve just spunked 600m on ETHs old Ajax mates.

Who is the best manager in world football that could work with what we currently have and how would they play?
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Carlo Ancelotti. Most pragmatic but also get respect. Originally thought Klopp but his high press high intensity would mean we would have 100 injuries in a season.


He would solidify our defense and midfield. Play a compact game but coach our attacking game with more intensity. People say Madrid have been ugly but effective and we honestly need that now.
 
We can name a horde of managers but most won't be coming to United. In my opinion we need a manager that

a- he understands the EPL and what Manchester United is all about. I know that such a thing is a bit cringy but we had too many managers who spent hundreds of millions on players from some shit league and on tiny CBs only to notice later on that such things do not work in the EPL. They ended up with them leaving and us footing the bill for their mistakes. The next manager must know what the EPL is all about and the constant media attention United gets.

b- he needs to be good in man management and he must make do with most of what he has. We can't have another manager who expect half the squad to just vanish so he can bring his mates

In my opinion Emery would do the trick. He had managed two clubs in the EPL already and his tactics aren't that different to what we've got, he had worked at Arsenal so he knows the pressure of managing a top EPL club. As interim I'd go for Mancini. He's EPL proven and his tactics won't require a serious overhaul of our squad
 
devilish said:
a- he understands the EPL and what Manchester United is all about. I know that such a thing is a bit cringy but we had too many managers who spent hundreds of millions on players from some shit league and on tiny CBs only to notice later on that such things do not work in the EPL. They ended up with them leaving and us footing the bill for their mistakes. The next manager must know what the EPL is all about and the constant media attention United gets.
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Going forward, our managers shouldn't have these sort of extraordinary recruitment capabilities anyway. Contemporary football is so granulated and data driven that you shouldn't be relying on the personal connections, market expertise and eccentricities of a transitionary figure like the head coach of the first team (who have an average shelf life of 2-3 years at major clubs, unless you luck into someone worthwhile like Guardiola or Klopp). The director of football, specialists like the head scout, and the scouting and analytics teams at large — they should form the backbone of our footballing operations, the brans behind the organization so to speak, and meticulously coordinate to drive the club's recruitment with the medium and long term in mind, in accordance with a well defined and rigorous “game model”, which is something we are looking to implement thankfully. This game model should also be used to identify head coaches (and recommend them to the chief executive and ownership), on a side note — the head coach should be in alignment with the club, its principles and strategies, and its core organization, not the other way around.

Sure, you can indulge the head coach from time to time by signing specific individuals with the right profile, you should be respectful of their areas of expertise (i.e., coaching, tactical know-how, match day decision-making, man management of the first team and public relations) and not treat them as disposable, interchangeable objects whose opinions don't carry much weight in the halls of power, and you probably shouldn't sign players they are fundamentally opposed to (as long as the reasons for these oppositions are reasonable and pass the litmus test), but they shouldn't be the prime movers or arbiters with regard to player recruitment by any means.

Recruitment shouldn't be that hard for a club like Manchester United. Real Madrid go out there and sign the best players or talents. The talent of Vinícius, Endrick, Bellingham, Güler, Camavinga and company was obvious. They aren't reinventing the wheel by any means. They just have a streamlined operation where Juni Calafat, among others, plays a big role in terms of profiling elite players and talents and laying the groundwork for these transfers, making things easier for Florentino Pérez and José Ángel Sánchez. The manager is mostly instructed to get the best out of the collective at his disposal (Ancelotti is great, with this is mind, as he's adaptable and not fixated on signing specific individuals for a dogmatic, rigidly defined approach). We should do something similar, and to our credit we have already done something similar with the acquisition of Yoro. We may not always be able to sign the very, very best players or talents, but the club should always be there or thereabouts to construct a qualitatively sound and well-balanced squad given the resources at its disposal (this will be fortified if we get our house in order and re-stablish ourselves from a competitive standpoint, which would make us much more appealing).
 
Unai Emery has impressed me even before West Ham. His teams have performed well in Europe. The only bad spell he had was at Arsenal which can happen to any manager.
 
devilish said:
We can name a horde of managers but most won't be coming to United. In my opinion we need a manager that

a- he understands the EPL and what Manchester United is all about. I know that such a thing is a bit cringy but we had too many managers who spent hundreds of millions on players from some shit league and on tiny CBs only to notice later on that such things do not work in the EPL. They ended up with them leaving and us footing the bill for their mistakes. The next manager must know what the EPL is all about and the constant media attention United gets.

b- he needs to be good in man management and he must make do with most of what he has. We can't have another manager who expect half the squad to just vanish so he can bring his mates

In my opinion Emery would do the trick. He had managed two clubs in the EPL already and his tactics aren't that different to what we've got, he had worked at Arsenal so he knows the pressure of managing a top EPL club. As interim I'd go for Mancini. He's EPL proven and his tactics won't require a serious overhaul of our squad
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Stopped reading at "he understand what Manchester United is all about".
 
This squad can play in a multitude of ways so most managers would love to manage this squad. The excuse of ''our squad isn't built for x manager'' is crazy. We have the CBs to play 3 at the back we have the attackers to play 2 upfront. We can switch from 4231 to 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 or 3-5-2. We just need that manager to have an identity and they'll make this squad tick. I know some can't wait to come and say we don't have the wingbacks, Conte won the league with Victor Moses at RWB, i'm sure with the right system trained our fullbacks will succeed. We can play 3 in the middle too, Ugarte sitting with two 8s in Mainoo and any other would give us balance. I just feel dropping the no10 role would help us so much more. Bruno will need to play the 8 role and be more disciplined. Any new manager has to deal with that Bruno role conondrum, that's the biggest test. It could work in a 3-4-1-2 formation as that would cover for him but he can't play that 4-2-3-1 without us sacrificing our shape.
 
We don't need a rebuild to play good football, we never have. It's just a part of our excuse-making culture post-Fergie.

New managers join other clubs all the time and get the team playing significantly differently to the last manager.

Whoever we hire needs to show he can do this. No excuses, no prattling on about needing massive budgets and superstars, no moaning over a couple injuries, no mentioning of "United way/DNA". Just adapt and show some coaching and tactical competence. Who is that? I don't know, I'm not the one who'll be conducting the interviews.
 
Scottynaldinho said:
Unai Emery has impressed me even before West Ham. His teams have performed well in Europe. The only bad spell he had was at Arsenal which can happen to any manager.
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He clearly didn’t impress you that much…
 
Unfortunately, there is no such manager capable of polishing our steamy turd.

The flat, uninspired style of Erik ten Hag sadly suits our profligate attack, ponderous midfield and ever- distracted defence.

The other available names (Frank, Emery) are 'sideways' appointments or worse (Potter).

Our biggest problems, again, go above the manager and it grates more now the Glazers are not responsible. Ineos have made a baf start to the playing squad's balance with Joshua Zirkzee.

Not to say they don't deserve more time, but we need to lose the likes of Brailsford forthwith.
 
I think that's wrong way of going about this. We need to break away from this idea that is normal for top level players to be so rigid and precious about their positions or what they're expected to do.

If we're looking for a manager who can get the most out of this team, we're going to be basing that on how we've seen them play and where under Ten Hag, so effectively someone who will keep his failed tactics but do it... better? I'm not sure that's where we should be going.

We need someone young, pragmatic, determined. Not someone who comes in with an attitude of "we will only ever play one way until I'm fired"
 
Maciej said:
Stopped reading at "he understand what Manchester United is all about".
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Look mate I am not the kind of person who think that we are special. However resurrecting this sleeping giant is a massive job with very little room for rookie mistakes. We had too many small time managers who underestimated the job and who had placed their mates interest first while thinking that they'll still be able to turn things around. That ain't possible with united. I hope that the next manager understands that
 
I love for simeone for his combative, confrontational and direct style seems something our current players can aspire to.

Managers with tactical nous has so far been unable to coach us with any success
 
Malons said:
I think that's wrong way of going about this. We need to break away from this idea that is normal for top level players to be so rigid and precious about their positions or what they're expected to do.

If we're looking for a manager who can get the most out of this team, we're going to be basing that on how we've seen them play and where under Ten Hag, so effectively someone who will keep his failed tactics but do it... better? I'm not sure that's where we should be going.

We need someone young, pragmatic, determined. Not someone who comes in with an attitude of "we will only ever play one way until I'm fired"
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Alot can change without having the majority of the squad sold off do we can turn the squad dutch. I don't think that we have a squad to win the EPL title. However I am pretty sure that with some decent tactics, motivation and better training that doesn't cripple half the squad after few games we can easily achieve a top 6 place
 
It’s a quite limited squad in my opinion because it’s 2-3 years from being ready offensively given how young our attackers/midfielders are. So you need someone who is ok with that + will put up with the media circus.

The only thing I’ve ever really wanted to see was a coach who put in the high press (that has happened to a decent level now) but, more importantly, is in control of the squad and will drop players like Bruno and Rashford more regularly for bad performances. Play well, you play the next game, play poorly and someone will take your spot.
 
If we can't get Ancelotti then:
The man. The myth. The OLEgend.

Seethe away.
 
Potentially Iraola looking around the league. I also like his style of football. We should get him now before another club comes in
 
Wild card call for de zerbi.

Just strikes me as someone who has tactical strengths to get something out of any group.
 
Thing is, we need another rebuild or whatever you want to call it.

There's not enough quality to build attacks through the middle, there's not enough talent for us to rely on iso plays from the wings, there's not enough talent when the spaces become small and the openings must be engineered.

We are a midtable team, it's the shirt that fools people. One man responsible for creating chances, a temperamental and streaky forward is the main goal-getter and, behind these two, we have youngsters whose performances often fluctuate week in and week out from abysmal to amazing.

With City, Liverpool and Arsenal all having "normal" seasons, it's nearly impossible to get the last CL spot. You can even see it in the discussions on here, if you read between the lines. The calls to have tactics that suit this squad revolve around being more compact, more defensive and more "safe" and pragmatic. That's the mark of a midtable side.

So, if the money's not there, we are looking at the Franks and the Iraolas of this world.
 
Emery. We’re a Europa league level team. Managing at that level, there’s no-one better
 
The squad Ten Hag has built is so bad it's hard to see anything above 7th this season.

It needs a rebuild in midfield and attack but the money isn't there to do it.

Probably a manager that would try something different, a 3 at the back.
 
Inzaghi. He’d improve this squad he can work with low budgets and he can get the best out of average players. We also have the players to play his preferred system. He’d make us a lot more solid and hard to beat.
 
Leftback99 said:
The squad Ten Hag has built is so bad it's hard to see anything above 7th this season.

It needs a rebuild in midfield and attack but the money isn't there to do it.

Probably a manager that would try something different, a 3 at the back.
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2 that come to mind is Inzaghi or Amorim.
 
I think we need someone more on the defensive side. Whenever we setup really compact and hit teams on the break we seem to get results more often than not. It’s not what we want to hear but that’s just where we are right now.
 
My pick in the next manager thread is Inzaghi.

I really like the way Inter play and they were very unlucky against City in the UCL final last year.

Not only do they play with a back three, which I think could be good for this current squad as we have a lot of CBs (admittedly, some could do with upgrading) and our full backs are defensively weak (and there's slim pickings) so would do better as Wing Backs - that way you could be more flexible on who you select to play there.

But also, Inzaghi plays with a front two at Inter currently. I would like to try this with our squad as I don't think any of our forwards are good enough to lead the line as a solo striker right now. I think not only Hojlund and Zirkzee (and the kid in the U18s eventually) can play in the front two, but also Rashford and even Garnacho and Amad could thrive there.

Personally, I'm not too preoccupied with us being a possession side or high pressing (I think historically, if you look at the style of United's play it tends to be counter attacking, with emphasis on speed, width, getting the ball from our box to there's as fast as possible) but as I said, I'm not too attached to a particular style of play - all I want to see is the team creating lots of chances, showing passion and being positive while also being defensively strong. For me, Inzaghi ticks these boxes.
 
I'd point at someone like Tuchel or Don Carlo but neither is available. It needs to be someone who connects with the players and understands how to handle man management. The Keane / Ten Hag approach doesn't really work nowadays.
Maybe Nagelsmann but don't know if he is even realistic.
 
TheRedHearted said:
Carlo Ancelotti. Most pragmatic but also get respect. Originally thought Klopp but his high press high intensity would mean we would have 100 injuries in a season.


He would solidify our defense and midfield. Play a compact game but coach our attacking game with more intensity. People say Madrid have been ugly but effective and we honestly need that now.
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I think klopp would be the worst type, we don't have anyone that suits his football.
 
devilsadvoca8 said:
This squad can play in a multitude of ways so most managers would love to manage this squad. The excuse of ''our squad isn't built for x manager'' is crazy. We have the CBs to play 3 at the back we have the attackers to play 2 upfront. We can switch from 4231 to 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 or 3-5-2. We just need that manager to have an identity and they'll make this squad tick. I know some can't wait to come and say we don't have the wingbacks, Conte won the league with Victor Moses at RWB, i'm sure with the right system trained our fullbacks will succeed. We can play 3 in the middle too, Ugarte sitting with two 8s in Mainoo and any other would give us balance. I just feel dropping the no10 role would help us so much more. Bruno will need to play the 8 role and be more disciplined. Any new manager has to deal with that Bruno role conondrum, that's the biggest test. It could work in a 3-4-1-2 formation as that would cover for him but he can't play that 4-2-3-1 without us sacrificing our shape.
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Not really though, we lack a lot of speed in our defence and central midfield, our attackers lack a lot of technique, generally don't have a powerful team. We need a very specific type of manager who can play with a lack of mobility and technique.
 
I'd love Simeone.

It would get a real ass kick to our club- the one we should have got by Mourinho straight after SAF's retirement.

It won't lead us back to a consistent PL winning team but we will become a top club competing playing out own football and trying to take over the 2nd hand version of Guardiola once he moves.
 
The ideal person was available in the summer and in the last international break until we yet again dithered and missed out on both occasions due to our ‘footballing structure’ being stupid and making a decision based on a one off cup game, best of what is out there now that we could get would be Amorim from Sporting before City inevitably go for him now they’ve got Viana as new Sporting Director.
 
Hammondo said:
Not really though, we lack a lot of speed in our defence and central midfield, our attackers lack a lot of technique, generally don't have a powerful team. We need a very specific type of manager who can play with a lack of mobility and technique.
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Yoro is slow? Mazroui? Dalot? Inter play 3 at the back, Acerbi isn't quick, De Vrij? Our attackers don't have technique? They've shown to its just this style of play or errant style of play doesn't work, NO MATTER WHO plays it. All our attackers cant be bad, at the same time. Time and time again I see lesser teams execute a play style with inferior players but yet our players can't? Take Stuttgart for example, apart from Mittelstadt, who starts for us? But yet they play great football and execute it under Hoeness at a high level.
 
devilsadvoca8 said:
Yoro is slow? Mazroui? Dalot? Inter play 3 at the back, Acerbi isn't quick, De Vrij? Our attackers don't have technique? They've shown to its just this style of play or errant style of play doesn't work, NO MATTER WHO plays it. All our attackers cant be bad, at the same time. Time and time again I see lesser teams execute a play style with inferior players but yet our players can't? Take Stuttgart for example, apart from Mittelstadt, who starts for us? But yet they play great football and execute it under Hoeness at a high level.
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Mazroui and Dalot are not fast fullbacks at all, yoro is our only fast CB and he's injured and 18 years old. Most of our attackers have poor technique.

These are important things for our next manager.
 
TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
Thing is, we need another rebuild or whatever you want to call it.

There's not enough quality to build attacks through the middle, there's not enough talent for us to rely on iso plays from the wings, there's not enough talent when the spaces become small and the openings must be engineered.

We are a midtable team, it's the shirt that fools people. One man responsible for creating chances, a temperamental and streaky forward is the main goal-getter and, behind these two, we have youngsters whose performances often fluctuate week in and week out from abysmal to amazing.
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You are allowing the current malaise under this manager to colour your ratings on our players too much. If we're talking a full on PL title then sure we'd need a large rebuild, but we really should be competing for the last CL spot with our current spot and we only really need one midfielder and one attacker (if we get the right ones) to arguably be favourite for that spot and setting ourselves up to take advantage if any of the top three have an off-season. It's just that our players are being made to look worse than they really are due to ETH.
 
Hammondo said:
Mazroui and Dalot are not fast fullbacks at all, yoro is our only fast CB and he's injured and 18 years old. Most of our attackers have poor technique.

These are important things for our next manager.
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They are fast, unless you're comparing them to Davies and Frimpong.
 
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