Best club side ever - get your votes in

Voted United. Real answer is Barcelona 2011.
 
I can't speak about any of the teams before the 90's so my vote obviously went to 99 MUFC, but if I voted with my head instead of my heart, it would have gone to Barcelona. Those teams were unplayable...
 
Well to elaborate on my Benfica claim they won the league and European cup double in 1960/61 while defending their European cup the season after and also winning their domestic cup.
They beat an amazing Barcelona side in their first final and a still great although admittedly past it Madrid team in their second final.

They definitely need to be in there, they were sublime.
 
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How is Celtics leading the poll?

That Torino side never really recovered from the crash.
 
I voted for Torino whilst sipping my craft beer and mainlining avocados into my bloodstream.

You lot are soo mainstream urgh
 
Still think our 08 side is better than the 99 one.

It was, 99 team were far weaker defensively, which was the main factor in them never coming close to repeating In Europe. 2006-11 was the best Utd ever in Europe in terms of consistency, and it was built off a strong defensive base. Also had a much stronger squad, this is not a knock on the 99 team, just the nature of how the game has changed to allow the top teams now to build ridiculously deep squads with the added benefit of weakening some of the competition by removing players as options for competing teams.. The Ronaldo Madrid years probably had the best squad of individuals ever with all the talent they had in their peak years. It is also why I am not that impressed with their achievements, you have peak Marcelo/Pepe/Ramos/Varane/Carvahal/Caseimero/Modric/Kroos/Benzema/Ronaldo/Bale all at the same time, just an absurdly unfair squad.
 
Barcelona

Though if you stick prime Lionel Messi into any of the others then it flips it for quite a few of them
Well that's because you'd be taking possibly the greatest player ever out of one team and adding him to another - the fact that Barca had him, along some other incredible players is why they were so dominant.
 
The answer is Barcelona as we found out the hard traumatic way.
 
Barca were the best side. United had the best season ever, in terms of story and drama, which is the most important thing in sport. The Liverpool and city teams of the last 4 years are the best English teams in history, city ahead of Liverpool
 
Well that's because you'd be taking possibly the greatest player ever out of one team and adding him to another - the fact that Barca had him, along some other incredible players is why they were so dominant.

The thing is though, the rest of them all had many great players (duh) but none of them had anyone as good as Messi (discounting Santos of course). The Messi factor is just too overpowering
 
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It was, 99 team were far weaker defensively, which was the main factor in them never coming close to repeating In Europe. 2006-11 was the best Utd ever in Europe in terms of consistency, and it was built off a strong defensive base. Also had a much stronger squad, this is not a knock on the 99 team, just the nature of how the game has changed to allow the top teams now to build ridiculously deep squads with the added benefit of weakening some of the competition by removing players as options for competing teams.. The Ronaldo Madrid years probably had the best squad of individuals ever with all the talent they had in their peak years. It is also why I am not that impressed with their achievements, you have peak Marcelo/Pepe/Ramos/Varane/Carvahal/Caseimero/Modric/Kroos/Benzema/Ronaldo/Bale all at the same time, just an absurdly unfair squad.
99 defence, Schmeical, Stam, Berg, Johnson, Irwin, May, Neville brothers.

08 defence, EVS, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Brown, Evans, Silvestre, O’Shea

99 midfield , Giggs (prime) Jesper, Keane, Butt, Scholes (prime) Beckham, Jordi

08 midfield, Carrick, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani, Giggs (aging) Scholes (aging) Park, Fletcher

99 forwards, Ole, Sherigham, Yorke, Cole

08 forwards, Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo

Don’t think there was a big difference in the squad depth between 08 and 99. Some may argue 99 was a stronger squad.
 
The thing is though, the rest of them all had many great players (duh) but none of them had anyone as good as Messi (discounting Santos of course). The Messi factor is just too overpowering
yeah I think we’re saying the same thing essentially: any already excellent team + Messi becomes an all time team. It’s like the Bulls with Jordan.
 
I will mention Ajax 1971-1972 only, this club is probably the most complete dominant in every tournaments they had competed. They won 30 games in Eredivisie, 6 wins and only 1 draw in European Cup and won KNVB cup in that season too. They won every trophies by dominating everyone in any single stages.

Their style of playing has influenced football for probably 50 years, I could even say, they have revolutionized modern football.
A lot of great teams in 15-30 years have been influenced by their philosohy.

Talking about players, Johann Cryuff is one of the best football figures of all time, Neeskens is one of the best b2b of all time, a complete package of midfielder, Krol is one the most complete left-back of all time, he dominated both offensive and defensive phase, probably a perfect left-back in any era( IMO, he would be even better in today game). Other players in that team are probably great-excellent players.

I think they should have been voted more. 3 percentages of voting in this team probably too low, imho.

This team and Milan 1988-1989 are the closest things to Barcelona 2010-2011.
 
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Well to elaborate on my Benfica claim the won the league and European cup double in 1960/61 while defending their European cup the season after and also winning their domestic cup.
They beat an amazing Barcelona side and while qn admittedly past it but still great Madrid side to do it as well.

They definitely need to be in there, they were sublime.

IMO, 1960-1961 Benfica is debatable to be in this list.
 
And the results are in...

I have no issue with that (Even though I voted AC Milan 88/89). Winning the European Cup with 11 players who were born within a 30 mile radius of Parkhead is an incredible achievement.

Plus my Mum/Grandparents lived across the street from Jimmy Johnstone and his wife (and went to school with them), so I'm delighted for this small acclaim... as rigged as it was. ;)
 
And the results are in...

I have no issue with that (Even though I voted AC Milan 88/89). Winning the European Cup with 11 players who were born within a 30 mile radius of Parkhead is an incredible achievement.

Plus my Mum/Grandparents lived across the street from Jimmy Johnstone and his wife (and went to school with them), so I'm delighted for this small acclaim... as rigged as it was. ;)
Did the Celtics forum/fans rig the vote?
I mean they were great and all but not really up to par with the other candidates to be honest.
 
Honestly the 2011 Barca team is the notorious one, but my favorite Barca team will always be the first year of MSN when they won the treble with Luis Enrique. Ditched the pointless tiki-taka, put Messi back on the RW, and absolutely incinerated teams while that trio set records as a front line and Iniesta had his last great year.
 
Did the Celtics forum/fans rig the vote?
I mean they were great and all but not really up to par with the other candidates to be honest.

I couldn't really give a definitive answer, but if I were to guess, I'd say yes

If Redcafe is much of a gauge on Manchester United fans (and i think it is), I'd say that we are a lot more impartial and less partisan than, let's say, Celtic fans. (Probably the same with Liverpool fans)

If it were a poll on the biggest achievement. The Celtic team would easily win it. But best team? I don't know. All of the teams on the shortlist were world class, though.

At the end of the day, it's all a bit of fun. :)
 
I couldn't really give a definitive answer, but if I were to guess, I'd say yes

If Redcafe is much of a gauge on Manchester United fans (and i think it is), I'd say that we are a lot more impartial and less partisan than, let's say, Celtic fans. (Probably the same with Liverpool fans)

If it were a poll on the biggest achievement. The Celtic team would easily win it. But best team? I don't know. All of the teams on the shortlist were world class, though.

At the end of the day, it's all a bit of fun. :)
Perhaps too impartial at times, just for the sake of being so.

But your right, it doesn't really matter, just some silly good fun.
 
99 team were far weaker defensively, which was the main factor in them never coming close to repeating In Europe. 2006-11 was the best Utd ever in Europe in terms of consistency, and it was built off a strong defensive base. Also had a much stronger squad, this is not a knock on the 99 team, just the nature of how the game has changed to allow the top teams now to build ridiculously deep squads with the added benefit of weakening some of the competition by removing players as options for competing teams.. The Ronaldo Madrid years probably had the best squad of individuals ever with all the talent they had in their peak years. It is also why I am not that impressed with their achievements, you have peak Marcelo/Pepe/Ramos/Varane/Carvahal/Caseimero/Modric/Kroos/Benzema/Ronaldo/Bale all at the same time, just an absurdly unfair squad.

Perhaps defensive weakness was less of an issue for the team in '99 per se, than that '99 was the only season with both Stam and Schmeichel in the team? Followed of course by the struggles to find a suitable GK until van der Sar (false dawn with Barthez aside), and also some similar problems in central defence.
 
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99 defence, Schmeical, Stam, Berg, Johnson, Irwin, May, Neville brothers.

08 defence, EVS, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Brown, Evans, Silvestre, O’Shea

99 midfield , Giggs (prime) Jesper, Keane, Butt, Scholes (prime) Beckham, Jordi

08 midfield, Carrick, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani, Giggs (aging) Scholes (aging) Park, Fletcher

99 forwards, Ole, Sherigham, Yorke, Cole

08 forwards, Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo

Don’t think there was a big difference in the squad depth between 08 and 99. Some may argue 99 was a stronger squad.
Considering all 3 08 forwards would be picked ahead of the 99 forwards, I find it hard to argue 99 had the better squad.
 
Our defence was „weaker“ in 99 compared to 2008 because our attack was „stronger“.
We played too attacking and open in 99, there is a reason we went behind so often. But the attack was so good that it could create (and convert) endless chances.

In 2008 we were much more compact and cautious, didn’t concede much but also scored less than in 99 both domestically and in Europe.
 
Man UTD 99 for me.
I always wonder where we would end up if we did not go to "no value in market" mode.
Feck Glazers.