100% right, im afraid.
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100% right, im afraid.
You see that?
That is typical GS debating tactic in action, moving the goal-posts half-way through the argument, hoping that nobody can be arsed to go back and check what the debate is actually about.
The thing is, he predicted that Liverpool would finish ahead of United i.e. in his opinion, this is the most likely outcome. But now, having been appropriately slagged off for making such a daft suggestion, he's expecting people to prove that United are guaranteed to finish above Liverpool. These are, of course, two entirely different scenarios.
This is why I can't really be bothered arguing with him and why he rubbed so many people up the wrong way in this very thread (prompting whining and bleating about being persecuted and bullied)
Anyhoo, as you were folks, I'm just passing through
Of course it guarantees nothing. But it gives us one hell of an advantage. You're 3 previous points are only ifs and buts, but I'll respnd to them anyway.
1. Having better players does not always necessarily mean a better team.
Of course it doesn't, but I think over the past few years we've shown that our team is collectively better than just a group of players. Liverpool have done no such thing, relying on two players to save them more often than not because the team lacks fluidity and cohesiveness.
2. Ronaldo is arguably a better player than any at Liverpool, but how big will his contribution this season be due to injury and Real Madrid frustrations?
The same could be said about Torres, what if his season isn't as good as last, how will they cope? Ronaldo may only care about himself in your eyes, but he cares that much about himself that he won't accept losing or taking his eye off the ball. Never mind the fact SAF is an unbelievably good man manager.
3. Perhaps Liverpool will want it more and fight harder.
Perhaps. Any more than they have in the last 18 years? I very much doubt that. It seems your also assuming (hypothetically, of course) that we won't want it as much, when really all you need to do is look at Sir Alex and you know how much hunger there is in the team.
Where's Berbatov 9 - the poster?
Has he still not posted since the minor spat with Spoons?
Nope, not once. Has he been back online since?
Nope. Spat his dummy right out.
He was inserted as part of the Berbatov's deal
30m + Campbell (loan) + Berbatov9 instead of 20m + Campbell (loan)
Last Activity: 30th August 2008.
With all due respect Sarni, since I really like your posts but you're talking bollox. Its nearly as ridiculous as putting Manchester United third. Ok injuries may hit both clubs hard. There again, Spurs has a strong team capable of ending amongst the top six (they wont win the league though).
Well then he must be gone for good, or went back to the newbies. He seemed to like down there it seemed.
I didn't think he'd chuck it all in.
I haven't moved any goalposts and I haven't asked anyone to prove anything.
I'm (a) predicting Liverpool to finish 2nd behind Chelsea and (b) saying that having a better collection of players and a better manager (although the gap is not huge) does not necessarily mean that MUFC will finish above Liverpool. Those two statements are perfectly compatible.
I left this thread until the Berbs issue was resolved because any info. I relayed was apparently not welcome unless it said what you wanted to hear. For example, the info. that Levy would only sell for a figure well north of 25m and wouldn't be budged on that. Well guess what ....
we will win the title. And everyone knows how much of a doom monger i am. wait and see
Manchester United has a much strongest side lead by a better manager. What Im worrying about is the World club championship. Apart from that I cant why you'll placing Liverpool above us. Its like saying that Hull will end up ahead of Spurs.
Hull probably will end up higher placed than Spur.
Ah feck it, I'm gonna hate myself for this but here goes:
If a United have better players than Liverpool and a better manager (feck knows why you think the gap between the most succesful manager in the modern game and some fat Spanish waiter is anything other than huge but let's park that for now) why in God's name is the most likely outcome, in your opinion, for Liverpool to finish ahead of United?
In your own time and please, for a change, stick the question you've been asked.
glaston you are inbred
It's his opinion folks, based on er. . .his opinion.
Nevermind the fact that he says he'll give 100% no matter where he plays.
its official
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I've already given some reasons earlier in this thread, but you seem to insist on repetition:
* They have stronger squad than last season.
* They concede very few goals and have the ability to grind out results even when playing badly.
* I think they'll want it more, fight harder and be a more united, cohesive team than MUFC. Your team may (?) be becoming too much a collection of big egos and 'stars'.
* They've made a good start: 7 points and just 1 home game so far.
* Ronaldo made a huge contribution last season - I don't see anything like a repeat for various obvious reasons.
* Scholes and Giggs will contribute less and less - I don't see the intended replacements stepping up as much as needed.
What he says and what he does may be two different things. It's only 4 months until the whole RM saga can be re-opened.
This collection of big egos and 'stars' has just won the league and the CL. The latter had never been to London let alone to the third best club in that city.
Both Scholes and Giggs has still 1 - 2 good years left in them. Once they get too old we will be having Anderson, Hagreaves, Nani and Tevez to replace them. If those are not enough then we can always come to your club to cherry pick your best players. Lets face it, all your players are desperate to sign with the big boys
My response in bold.
Reports said he wanted to leave before the season was over. He continued to play on an injured foot and gave it his all. I can't see him slacking off at all when he plays. He wants to be the best player in the world. Taking it easy won't help his case.
I've already given some reasons earlier in this thread, but you seem to insist on repetition:
* They have stronger squad than last season.
But still weaker than ours, as you've just admitted.
* They concede very few goals and have the ability to grind out results even when playing badly.
We conceded less goals than any other team in the league and grinding out results, while playing badly, was our specialty.
* I think they'll want it more, fight harder and be a more united, cohesive team than MUFC. Your team may (?) be becoming too much a collection of big egos and 'stars'.
Because we've signed one new player? FFS
* They've made a good start: 7 points and just 1 home game so far.
3 games, you numpty. Using that logic, Spurs are getting relegated. Something I doubt you would agree with.
* Ronaldo made a huge contribution last season - I don't see anything like a repeat for various obvious reasons.
So what? We've just signed your best player. He can more than make up for any slight decrease in Ronaldo's contribution.
* Scholes and Giggs will contribute less and less - I don't see the intended replacements stepping up as much as needed.
They don't need to. They will be better but Scholes and Giggs are still a class above
These are all stupid, semantic issues anyway. Which is typical of you.
Better squad of players + better manager = more likely to finish higher in the league table than a team with worse squad + worse manager. I mean this is just so obvious, I'm tempted to try and hunt you down and repeat this VERY LOUDLY, while punching you repeatedly in the head, in a vain attempt to get the blindingly obvious across to you
Not really. I'm a pacifist and I love you really. Honest.
Can't beat reliving those moments over and over again.
I'm fairly sure Glaston says these stupid things to get some kind of a reaction.
Well here is my reaction, your a clueless cnut and this place is better of without you.
Well here is my reaction, your a clueless cnut and this place is better of without you.
While being spot on.You see that?
That is typical GS debating tactic in action, moving the goal-posts half-way through the argument, hoping that nobody can be arsed to go back and check what the debate is actually about.
The thing is, he predicted that Liverpool would finish ahead of United i.e. in his opinion, this is the most likely outcome. But now, having been appropriately slagged off for making such a daft suggestion, he's expecting people to prove that United are guaranteed to finish above Liverpool. These are, of course, two entirely different scenarios.
This is why I can't really be bothered arguing with him and why he rubbed so many people up the wrong way in this very thread (prompting whining and bleating about being persecuted and bullied)
Anyhoo, as you were folks, I'm just passing through
Even the most deluded Scousers think we're light years ahead.
GS: How do you define better players, and manager?
GS: How do you define better players, and manager?
I'm tempted to try and hunt you down and repeat this VERY LOUDLY, while punching you repeatedly in the head, in a vain attempt to get the blindingly obvious across to you
...
I remember similar impulses when 'discussing' things with Bodzilla & Stamford Bridge.
Ach, you should have left the white text in, so people don't think I'm a complete psycho
Dear oh dear - this is what I get for suggesting that your hated rivals will finish higher than you.
Pardon me for having a view that differs from the holiest-of-holies concensus
on a Man. United board.
Or alternatively .... grow up.
I've already agreed that overall you have a better squad and manager, so I don't get the point of your question.
Your opinion is not based on reasonable thoughts but on wishful thinking. That's why most people here think you're a bit of a spast.
What evidence do you have of that happening?
A really weak point when you consider SAF's track record in that respect.
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