Benzema vs Rooney

I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. United went to three CL finals in 4 years. We were winning the league regularly in that period too, we missed out on a second treble because we were robbed against Portsmouth. We missed out on another CL final because of shocking refereeing against Bayern. Like, I don't know how anyone can argue with a serious face that Rooney never played in a star studded team. At one point Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov were our attacking line :lol: Same team had VDS, Rio, Vida, Evra, Carrick

Benzema is just a better player, with a better career, and that's OK.
He only played 2 years with that team. Tevez left, Ronaldo left, Vidic, Rio and Evra were all in decline by early 2010s.
Are some of you even reading my posts? We had a ridiciliously good team for only 2 seasons.
Just compare the 2009 final team to 2011 final team. The decline in quality is huge
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Two players who are/were often willing to sacrifice their individual productivity if it means their teams could benefit from it.

Benzema didn't get the plaudits he deserved from the neutral during the years when Ronaldo had the spotlight at Real Madrid. He is definitely receiving the plaudits since Ronaldo's departure though. Hence he is no longer underrated. His ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play is one of the best in the world. Top 3 in the world along with Lewandowski and Kane IMO. Benzema has excellent movement that enables him to draw defenders out of position and creates space for his team mates to make attacking runs. Rooney was technically skilled. However, Benzema was superior in terms of close ball control and had a neater touch. He is more refined technically and classier on the eye. He had better balance, was more elegant and is also a greater threat in the air than Rooney was.

Rooney was blessed with stronger physical attributes than Benzema. Benzema is deceptively quick and agile for his size, however Rooney had a frightening blend of great acceleration, incredible strength and perhaps most notably, a fierce level of determination that enables him to simply power his way past defenders with relative ease. When he was a teenager, Rooney was already constantly outmuscling veteran PL defenders. He played with a level of intensity and energy that was infectious to his team mates, but intimidating to his opponents. He had seemingly limitless stamina and rather than staying upfront would bomb all over the pitch to be involved in the defensive side of things and build-up play. Rooney excelled in pressing opponents to win the ball back and was a surprisingly good tackler. He was the better dribbler and also had a brilliant passing range. There was an edge of the seat excitement from Rooney that I didn't get while watching Benzema.

Benzema gets into more goalscoring positions due to his superior movement, however Rooney is the more accurate finisher of the two. He didn't miss as many easy chances as Benzema. Both are/were great strikers of the ball who can score from different angles and in a variety of ways; volleys, long range screamers, overhead kicks. Perhaps Rooney was better in chips/lobs, free-kicks and halfway-line shots. Both were creatively gifted and adept at making the killer pass/final ball. I know Benzema has better stats than Rooney. However, I don't think statistics tell the full story. For e.g. the likes of Scholes and Iniesta had less assists than Beckham, Lampard and Gerrard. Some of Rooney's assists were absolutely sublime and put it on a plate passes.

Rooney was extremely versatile and dovetail well with all the strike partners throughout his career, regardless what style of play they had. RVN, Owen, Saha, Solskjaer, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov, Hernandez, RVP. There isn't a striker that he isn't compatible or doesn't gel with. In an ideal world, you would have both Rooney and Benzema playing with each other on the same team.
 
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He only played 2 years with that team. Tevez left, Ronaldo left, Vidic, Rio and Evra were all in decline by early 2010s.
Are some of you even reading my posts? We had a ridiciliously good team for only 2 seasons.

you went from saying this:

Rooney never played in world class assembled teams.

which was my point of contention with your post, to now "only 2 years".
 
Benzema single handedly dragged Madrid to a league title against a Barca that had Messi+Suarez
And when I say single handedly I mean it, the second topscorer for Madrid was Sergio Ramos and it was because of penalties alone.
No one could reliably score goals for Madrid other than Benzema during 17/18,18/19,19/20.

To be fair Ronaldo scored 44 goals that season:p
 
This reminds me of when people were saying that Pep couldn't impose his brand of football in England, well we've all seen how that has turned out.

But what makes Rooney a better all round player though? I mean Benzema is better technically, better at link up play with partners, a better passer (not that any of them are great at it), a better goal scorer (or atleast just as good) with an impressive CL record, can also play on the wing, and he also defends.
So what's this about Rooney being the better all round player?
We’re taking about Wayne Rooney, not John Rooney at Stockport.
 
About the best "late-career peak" player of the last 20 years. I doubt Madrid will win this UCL, but Benzema has been instrumental in the 2017 and 2018 UCL titles + the Ligas of 2020 and 2022.
 
About the best "late-career peak" player of the last 20 years. I doubt Madrid will win this UCL, but Benzema has been instrumental in the 2017 and 2018 UCL titles + the Ligas of 2020 and 2022.
That award goes to Di Natale.
 
Two players who are/were often willing to sacrifice their individual productivity if it means their teams could benefit from it.

Benzema didn't get the plaudits he deserved from the neutral during the years when Ronaldo had the spotlight at Real Madrid. He is definitely receiving the plaudits since Ronaldo's departure though. Hence he is no longer underrated. His ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play is one of the best in the world. Top 3 in the world along with Lewandowski and Kane IMO. Benzema has excellent movement that enables him to draw defenders out of position and creates space for his team mates to make attacking runs. Rooney was technically skilled. However, Benzema was superior in terms of close ball control and had a neater touch. He is more refined technically and classier on the eye. He had better balance, was more elegant and is also a greater threat in the air than Rooney was.

Rooney was blessed with stronger physical attributes than Benzema. Benzema is deceptively quick and agile for his size, however Rooney had a frightening blend of great acceleration, incredible strength and perhaps most notably, a fierce level of determination that enables him to simply power his way past defenders with relative ease. When he was a teenager, Rooney was already constantly outmuscling veteran PL defenders. He played with a level of intensity and energy that was infectious to his team mates, but intimidating to his opponents. He had seemingly limitless stamina and rather than staying upfront would bomb all over the pitch to be involved in the defensive side of things and build-up play. Rooney excelled in pressing opponents to win the ball back and was a surprisingly good tackler. He was the better dribbler and also had a brilliant passing range. There was an edge of the seat excitement from Rooney that I didn't get while watching Benzema.

Benzema gets into more goalscoring positions due to his superior movement, however Rooney is the more accurate finisher of the two. He didn't miss as many easy chances as Benzema. Both are/were great strikers of the ball who can score from different angles and in a variety of ways; volleys, long range screamers, overhead kicks. Perhaps Rooney was better in chips/lobs, free-kicks and halfway-line shots. Both were creatively gifted and adept at making the killer pass/final ball. I know Benzema has better stats than Rooney. However, I don't think statistics tell the full story. For e.g. the likes of Scholes and Iniesta had less assists than Beckham, Lampard and Gerrard. Some of Rooney's assists were absolutely sublime and put it on a plate passes.

Rooney was extremely versatile and dovetail well with all the strike partners throughout his career, regardless what style of play they had. RVN, Owen, Saha, Solskjaer, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov, Hernandez, RVP. There isn't a striker that he isn't compatible or doesn't gel with. In an ideal world, you would have both Rooney and Benzema playing with each other on the same team.

Great write up!
 
I shouldn't be surprised to see some people say Rooney given this is a United forum, but it's without a question Benzema on pretty much any level I can think of. I do think Rooney's bulldog mentality was the one thing I enjoyed the most over Benzema, but they're both incredible in how willing they were to sacrifice themselves for the team, you can't go wrong with either player when you want someone on your team that's going to give their all without individual thought, but Benzema is the superior player without a shadow of a doubt for me, I am quite biased though but I don't think it's playing too much of a factor here.
 
I never understood people that said Rooney sacrificed his game for Ronaldo. That was never really the case, Ronaldo’s talents just exceeded his so he naturally took center stage. The only times Rooney actually even played out of position to accommodate Ronaldo were in the latter stages of the CL in 07/08 & 08/09. Otherwise generally, Rooney was up top and was partnered by Tevez or Berbatov in a classic 4-4-2 during the 07-09 era.

Ronaldo actually assisted Rooney more times than vice versa when you analyse the statistics.

Also, as for comparisons with Benzema, the latter has a better first touch, dribbling, close control, passing and shooting. He has an all-round superior finesse and ability with the ball at his feet and is more deadly as a striker too. There’s a reason he was likened to R9 as a teenager as he had most of the raw tools and attributes that made the Brazilian great minus the blistering pace.
Rooney only has Benzema beat for tenacity and work-rate on the pitch as he was more physical and would often get stuck-in.
Ability aside, Benzema has won more and boasts more records in the game including his impressive CL statistics aswell as being RM’s 3rd all-time topscorer with 299 goals (more than Rooney scored for United in less time despite not being his team’s primary scorer for 80% of his duration at the club or even being on penalty duties until this season). He’ll likely end up 2nd behind Ronaldo by the time he leaves which is very very impressive.
He also trumps Rooney for longevity.
Overall, when you assess Benzema’s body of work over his career and his ability, he surpasses relatively comfortably and I say this as someone who was a big fan of Rooney during 06~12 when he was one of the best players in the world.
 
you went from saying this:



which was my point of contention with your post, to now "only 2 years".
But that wasn't a world class assembled squad. We had maybe 3-4 players that could be considered among top 50 in the world. Real literally had at least 7. Numerous world cup winners, an all time great,...
 
Benzema got away with a lot of subpar performances while Ronaldo was there, and the excuse was always "he has to sacrifice his game for Ronaldo"

He's having a great second spell to his career. Still, Rooney for me.
 
Don't understand the longevity comments at all. Probably mentioned already but..

Rooney - 120 games for country, 570 at club level (admittedly, 50ish in MLS)
Benzema - 94 games for country, 530 at club level (20 at Lyon B who I believe are 4th division French league?)

I'd also say that Rooney was in a more demanding league and played in more cup competitions.
 
Don't understand the longevity comments at all. Probably mentioned already but..

Rooney - 120 games for country, 570 at club level (admittedly, 50ish in MLS)
Benzema - 94 games for country, 530 at club level (20 at Lyon B who I believe are 4th division French league?)

I'd also say that Rooney was in a more demanding league and played in more cup competitions.

The longevity argument isn't merely about how many games they've played. It's the level of performance they were able to produce at the latter end of their careers.

Rooney at 34 was at D.C United. Whilst Benzema is considered one of the best forwards on the planet.
 
I'd put them down as the same level of player. Very good players of their era, world class, but not greats of the game.

You can obviously separate them in some areas, Rooney was more aggressive, and as a youngster a more dynamic player, but Benzema has a better touch and technique.

But I don't think there's anything that massively lifts one above the other. They're just slightly different players but similar quality.
 
Benzema got away with a lot of subpar performances while Ronaldo was there, and the excuse was always "he has to sacrifice his game for Ronaldo"

He's having a great second spell to his career. Still, Rooney for me.

Rooney was very streaky in what were meant to be some of his prime years if I'm remembering right, would have spells where he barely looked a footballer and his touch would be all over the place, excuse was that his body shape meant it takes him an extended spell to play himself into fitness and form.
 
To be fair that is proven with the likes of Ozil. Even Isco etc were hyped beyond belief when Ronaldo made their passes an assist but who have disappeared since not being Ronaldos teammate.
Didn't Ozil had 19 assists in a season in PL playing with Giroud?
 
Rooney was very streaky in what were meant to be some of his prime years if I'm remembering right, would have spells where he barely looked a footballer and his touch would be all over the place, excuse was that his body shape meant it takes him an extended spell to play himself into fitness and form.
Every player in history has had streaks of bad form, Ronaldo El Fenomono had many subpar performances for Madrid, yet he's considered as the best (or one of) striker of all time.

Unfortunately many players nowadays are expected to have near perfect resume's because of the two freaks of nature (Ronaldo) and (Messi). Generally throughout their careers both Benzema and Rooney have been spectacular.

If Messi and Ronaldo didn't exist, plenty of players would have got more credit that they probably deserve.

More people need to realise that Messi and Ronaldo are the exception and not the rule.
 
Just looked at their stats in La Liga and the Premier League:

Benzema (401 games) - 8 yellow cards; 0 red cards

Rooney (491 games) - 100 yellow cards; 2 red cards
 
I'm not saying that, but it's clear Benzema is the better player and had the better career.

If Benzema had the career (13 seasons) he had for United instead of Madrid, people would be putting him on the same level as Cantona and he would be an all-time great for us and that's not hyperbole. People here still debate Rooney's legacy and whether he's up there with our other all-time greats.
Oh stop it, Benzema isn't fit to lace the king's boots.
 
Watching them both play at their peak without context of how their careers would go? Rooney.

With context? Benzema.
 
Rooney at 34 was at D.C United. Whilst Benzema is considered one of the best forwards on the planet.

Difference is, Benzema you was never considered to be in the top 10 CFs at any time in his career, no matter how good his season is so far.
 
If only he didn’t idolise R9, he would have been here and be a legend. Sir Alex really rated and wanted him in 2009. Benzema and Rooney would have been deadly partner in 09/10 season.
 
At their peaks Rooney was the far better footballer but in terms of longevity Benzema obviously gets the win. Personally I'd take 10 years of Rooney over 15 of Benzema if I had the choice.
 
At their peaks Rooney was the far better footballer but in terms of longevity Benzema obviously gets the win. Personally I'd take 10 years of Rooney over 15 of Benzema if I had the choice.
This is where I am at too. Also the reason people will consider Benzema better is mostly due to Rooney himself.
He was mostly done at 28/29, looked out of shape for a top player and during his holidays be smoking and heavy drinking.
For how much Ronaldo progressed and maxed his talents, Rooney did the opposite. It’s mad to say about our greatest ever goalscorer but I feel he should of been better overall throughout his career.
18-24 Rooney was insane
 
Difference is, Benzema you was never considered to be in the top 10 CFs at any time in his career, no matter how good his season is so far.
He's been a top 5 player in the world this year so what exactly are you talking about here?
 
This is where I am at too. Also the reason people will consider Benzema better is mostly due to Rooney himself.
He was mostly done at 28/29, looked out of shape for a top player and during his holidays be smoking and heavy drinking.
For how much Ronaldo progressed and maxed his talents, Rooney did the opposite. It’s mad to say about our greatest ever goalscorer but I feel he should of been better overall throughout his career.
18-24 Rooney was insane

Yup Rooney's lifestyle I feel was a hinderance to his natural talent in hindsight. He played to win on the pitch but not really so off it, if that makes sense. Seems like the kinda dude who was happy to give it all at football but not keep his discipline away from it, which is fine but eventually caught up to him. I feel a more professional living Rooney (as you said a Rooney with Ronaldos mindset away from the game) could have got close to Shearers records having played most his career as a number 10. I think his last few seasons tainted the picture of how good he actually was. Probably the best English player since the 60's if not ever.
 
Don't understand the longevity comments at all. Probably mentioned already but..

Rooney - 120 games for country, 570 at club level (admittedly, 50ish in MLS)
Benzema - 94 games for country, 530 at club level (20 at Lyon B who I believe are 4th division French league?)

I'd also say that Rooney was in a more demanding league and played in more cup competitions.

Rooney was pretty shite for the last few seasons of that though, whereas Benzema has kicked on
 
Rooney was pretty shite for the last few seasons of that though, whereas Benzema has kicked on

Benzema didn’t kick on that much he was always elite. As I said before he would have a insane career if he didn’t sacrifice himself for Ronaldo.
If he didn’t sacrifice for Ronaldo he would end up with less trophies though. It was for the best but it affected his numbers. He is exactly a world class version of Firmino
 
Benzema didn’t kick on that much he was always elite. As I said before he would have a insane career if he didn’t sacrifice himself for Ronaldo.
If he didn’t sacrifice for Ronaldo he would end up with less trophies though. It was for the best but it affected his numbers. He is exactly a world class version of Firmino

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