I thought Leverkusen were set with Bender and Tapsoba - Tapsoba looks top quality too, even if a little raw
Benoît Badiashile
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@Zehner would be best qualified to answer that. But if Leverkusen are prepared to pay upwards of €30m for Badiashile then I'm sure they'd give him plenty of game time.
they are getting malang sarr on a free and you guessed it- sending him out on loan.
If you're right about that, then he's not a very sensible move on our part, as we need an immediate upgrade and we don't have too much money to spend..
Reckon we have a part time french scout who watches a few under 16/ 19 games and picks raw players with potential and suggests them...we missed out on varane, Got traore and he hasn't lived up to the hype, got obertan but that didn’t work, then Mjebri and now this lad ......
Don’t see the point when we have Menghi and Axel in the ranks. We need a starter to play alongside Maguire
Don’t see the point when we have Menghi and Axel in the ranks. We need a starter to play alongside Maguire
He's not a immediate upgrade but could become a very very good CB in the next 18 months for us due to his potential. He's still quite raw which is understandable due to his age.
I think if we sign him it will be as a project type signing who we hope to develop into a top CB.
if we ain't going to sign sancho then we should be signing koulibaly to make up for it if we are looking to strengthen our defensive options.
Need both but no way that happens
People need to know that just good centre back doesn't make up for top class winger.
I thought they have Tah too?
Yeah that is very true and the way City operate they will still sign Koulibaly if they get the Messi situation sorted.
In regards to Sancho we still have a chance until the club decide to brief we have walked away.
I don't think they will brief. This social media presence will be great for their revenue and exposure. Also, if they were to brief the deal was done, the terrible PR associated with us admitting to missing out on a target almost everyone knows we pursued would be devastating, especially in this climate with our 'rivals' strengthening like they are
The deal is dead but I doubt they will say much. There has been no update in like 3 weeks now, the mental gymnastics trying to justify him coming is genuinely getting worrying now
Regarding Benoit, I'm all on board for projects, but I think we already have that in Mengi and Tuanzebe, so I don't see us paying too high a fee
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I've watched him on Youtube a few times now and I'm impressed by what I see. He's very fast and good on the ball. Looks like he needs to fill out physically similar to Greenwood.
I personally think this one is going to happen as Ole is desperate for a Left footed CB and he fits our clubs recruiting platform of young players we can develop.
I personally think this one is going to happen as Ole is desperate for a Left footed CB and he fits our clubs recruiting platform of young players we can develop.
Respect your opinion but despite me being far too pessimistic yesterday have decided to keep that feint hope alive of us being able to still sign him
He looks promising but he's massivel6 inexperienced, can't expect him to just walk in and bail out jailbird Joe, but none of the CB's on offer were seasoned quality, Torres looks the best of the bunch.
For all of our sakes, I sincerely hope I'm the one who ends up being wrong here
Yeah I am praying for that too
He is crap in the air though isn't he?
I mean Torres.
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Can he cover the LB position as well? If yes, I want.
We need to sign an experienced CB, we already have 2 young players that play well on occasion, there is zero point in signing another, unless it's as well as a ready-made CB.
This will go dead quiet for weeks and then come to life again towards the end of the transfer window.
Surely £80m for Maguire and £50m for AWB are a contributing factor.
Also Torres is 4 years his elder whilst Gabriel is 3 years his elder.
Those fees were ridiculous to start with. I said it when we signed them and I'll stick to that till the end of time. However it's not easy to pin point whose fault it is. For example would Ole accept alternative targets? If I want your car , you ask ridiculous money for it and I refuse to walk away or settle for an alternative car, then the only alternative I have is to pay your price. Many will pinpoint the need of a DOF (I think we need more then just a DOF) and they are right. But would Ole agree to work with one? Cause let's face it, working in a job with no bosses around is quite nice. Ask LVG and Mou.
At a serious club each role is well defined. Financial people will take care of finances while football people take care of the football side. You tend to have CEOs who understand football (ex Marotta, VDS, Rummenigge), DOFs who work improving the club's efficiency and effectiveness football wise 24/7 (ie transfers etc) and you have the manager whose job is nowadays that of a head coach. That's a fully tested formula that works and should be implemented irrespective whether the CEO or the manager agrees to it.
Since when should that be his choice, he was brought in as interim when we laid out a plan to hire one. We can't have a manager dictating and running the club structure.
Personally I don't believe the club ever intended to hire one and thats the main issue.
Agree about other top clubs and its a shame still 2 years on from Jose we are still in the same boat
Actually, the ideal pairing would be Tah and Tapsoba. And yes, Tapsoba is supremely talented and hit the ground running. But Tah was out of form because he's struggled with back problems for quite a while now and has actually developed backwards in recent years. Bender is good but nothing special and should be a player we're looking to replace if we want to get back into the CL. And you can't really plan with the Bender brothers since they're so injury prone. And now that they're on the wrong side of 30, it's only going to become worse.
So yeah, it makes absolute sense to sign another CB. Haven't really followed the rumours surrounding Badiashile but from what I've seen he currently seems to be the most likely option. Since there's competition from big clubs, it'll depend if we can convince him if the perspective at us is better than elsewhere. But if he's signed for such a fee, he's definitely intended to become a regular starter rather sooner than later.
Well it ain't that simple though. Prior to Ole our squad was imploding. Mou wanted out, a 50m signing wasn't being played, the manager kept targeting everyone turning pressers into a circus and players were starting to want out as well. Ole took the job and he stirred the ship to safety. It was evident that he was going to become our next permanent manager so his word mattered.
I think that we haven't signed a DOF because of Phelan. Ole was desperate to have him back and while Phelan was more then happy to return to United and give Ole a hand it seemed that he wasn't that keen of doing day to day training on a long term basis. In fact there were rumours of Phelan wanting to leave United again at the time when we talks about us signing a DOF intensified. I won't be surprised if we reached a consensus with smarty shorts were he would still supervise the team but in exchange he'll get a bigger say on the administrative side of things.
How on earth would that make up for it, are we playing him on the RW?
Well I'm fine with that I suppose.
Makes sense, signing a raw CB really does nothing for us.
Then the club are fools and are just repeating the same mistakes, based on the short term instead of thinking of the long term.
It is simple that we should have completed the plan to hire a DOF before appointing a manager (if the long term project was the priority) and if Ole didn't like that we should have said thank you for your service and hired someone else at the end of that season.
Monaco using us to hike the price? ..
What I saw a bit funny is that yesterday news about our interest mentioned Bayer Leverkusen who are determined to come back with an offer.
As if Bayer are prepared to launch a Martial type fee...
I never suggested otherwise. Time and time again we're commit ourselves to these knee jerk decision making. The reason being that we put our full faith on the manager only to pull the carpet under his feet once its evident that he's poorly equipped to do everything himself. United need to realise that the time when the manager did all the football thinking on the club's behalf is over. These are not the 70s anymore. Modern managers had grown up relying on people such as DOFs, Head of recruitment and people at board level who know what they are doing. They lack the experience, the expertise and the time to do everything on their own.
As said in a previous post its like hiring an SAS soldier and expect him to fight in a phalanx formation. He'll look clueless.
Keep in mind that Havertz is supposed to leave Bayer for a lot of money.
Cant remember which, but either Times or Telegraph saying we aren't interested in this guy
True but I don't think Bayer are willing to pay a Martial type fee (around 60 million including add-ons) for a central defender.
You are being too literal the point isn't about the figures but that Leverkusen or any other club interested(Rennes) will have to make an offer that Monaco "can't" refuse.
I don't think you can say Monaco is using our name. We actually placed the bid and rejected.
... according to a French journalist
... according to a French journalist
I don't think you have any idea who the French Journalist is. He's one of the most reliable journalist out there. If people have a choice to believe between Bouhafsi or Mail, I think it's a no brainer choice.