Wow. He was setup.
Benjamin Mendy - Not guilty on re-trial | NOT a thread about MG
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I told him this and he ignored me.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-l...nd-innocent-problem-children-reasonable-doubt
Couldn't find a source fo the UK. He's right, though
Damn.
Fair enough, I was totally wrong and I concede. Urgh I hate that feeling ha.
What do you know that we dont? Cant a man just be innocent?
He has been through hell for over a year now and has been found innocent on multiple occasions. Hopefully he can be back playing football.
That doesn't make sense... An Innocent person from a judicial standpoint is not guilty, a guilty person from a judicial standpoint is not innocent. An innocent person from a non-judicial standpoint just means they haven't been found guilty of something and vice versa. As in your example, if I didn't kill you but someone framed me I could be declared guilty while not being your killer.
Legal definitions frquently differ from how language is commonly used. It's the same with medical terms - any industry specific lexis, in fact.
If the defendant is found not guilty, that doesn’t mean you weren’t believed or that people thought you were lying.
It simply means the jury couldn’t be ‘satisfied so they were sure’ that the defendant was guilty.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/rasso-guide/verdict-and-sentencing-0
There is no such thing as 'he was innocent' in a judiciary system, as far as I am aware.. The only verdicts are guilty and non-guilty. Despite the mental gymnastics, non-guilty kinda means innocent.
How does it not make sense? We are talking about a judicial decision, that's the only one that matter in our case.
I think Mendy leaked the video of them having sex in the shower when it became apparent that the rape accusations were not fading away. It did trend on twitter for sometime. From the look of the video you would tell 100% no rape occurred.
From what I am reading about the details of the trial, the CPS have questions to answer.
The venerable infallible court of public opinion, ladies and gentlemen.
One thing is for sure he has stop sleeping around. It's only going to lead to more problems.
Another example of not assuming guilt until the full facts are known. Far too many virtue signallers in this world. Dangerous.
Wowza....if all that is true then they all falsely accused him and other guy ? His career is likely over , I wonder if he can sue them for lost earnings and what not
Suing them won't get him anywhere. The allegations were credible enough for CPS to charge him. No court will award him anything. He should sue the CPS. Me thinks he probably just wants to forget the whole thing.
If that is all true the CPS really should be taking a look at charges for the accusers.
so if it looks like they lied will they face perjury charges?
City were still paying him or had his salary in escrow, so he should be fine financially. The issue here is Manchester City, they are the ones who lost money and labour but I don't know if they can do something about it
PS: I completely forgot that Grealish was allegedly involved in those parties
It's just a matter of proofs.
Some serial killers were caught at the beginning of their killing spree, but didn't go to jail because lack of proofs, so they were declared 'not guilty' despite already having a couple of corpses in their closet.
Its all about proofs, if you can proof I killed people, then I'm guilty; you can't proof I killed people cause I eliminated all the proofs, then Im declared 'not guilty'
If it can be proven. I don't get why they would though, there have been no evidence of extortion.
But it is wrong - legally you can only be found guilty or not-guilty at trial in England, and neither verdict speaks to the defendant's actual innocence.
Lots of guilty people have got away with crimes, and lots of innocent people have been found guilty. I don't know why anyone is arguing about this.
He should get his career back. Someone needs to pay for this. The entire world persecuted him before the court even make any judgement. This is the new world, ladies and gentlemen.
JusticeforMendy 
If the accusations were fake then the ones who did them should be punished.
This is why we have courts. Trial via media and worse social media is worst invention of the 20th and 21st century, respectively. This is also why I support Arsenal playing Partey. Innocent till proven guilty, folks! I hope Mendy gets his career back on track.
So not only "not guilty", but the accusations were proven false, so he's innocent?
Someone being found not guilty in the court of law doesn't equal the accusations upon them being false.
This weird lust some here have for retaliation is heavily misguided. Research on rapes show that the vast majority of rapes are not followed by a conviction, even when a trial takes place.
This weird lust some here have for retaliation is heavily misguided. Research on rapes show that the vast majority of rapes are not followed by a conviction, even when a trial takes place.
I agree but people are reacting to the story in the Guardian mostly, not just the fact he was not guilty
While this is often true, here people are talking about the case and what was reported in the Guardian.
It's not a good look to frame things the way you did, it seems that you didn't follow the conversations and decided to accuse people lightly.
Some of you need to see the movie Devil's Advocate.
Exactly. The quotes only throw their credibility into question, but something could still have happened. The jury needs to be 100% certain to convict.
The lust to take a side and win for that side is what's weird.
What an absolute shit show... This is a very dark day for our justice system. Pretty sure there will be some major questions asked of the CPS handling of the case, especially the part that got thrown out mid trial in the first case.
Where does he go from here? Presumably City will pay him any money owed if he didn't get it already and he's a free agent able to join another team, probably abroad..!
Where does he go from here? Presumably City will pay him any money owed if he didn't get it already and he's a free agent able to join another team, probably abroad..!
Nothing in the article proves the accusations are false. They are relevant context on the verdict as they indicate why the jurors didn't fully trust the accusers.
Tbh i always wondered why the women who falsely accuse men of Rape don't get pushiend for lying in court... Anyone knows why?
The audio of him that she published online make his case different, certainly to the public
This is technically true in abstract. But in reality, this saying is just a cover for some who hold the senseless belief that "accused = guilty" when it comes to sexual assault cases. They're entitled to think that but just come out with it instead of trying to appear rational.
The vast majority of rapes are not followed by a conviction: that again, does not mean in the absence of better conviction stats, we make assumptions regarding guilt.
If anyone should be "retaliated" upon, it should be the CPS for a shoddy case, not the plantiffs.
So the whole "if he was found not guilty I'd support him" brigade are lying then.
The accusations weren't proven to be false.