Of course he’s had a falling out with someone, probably Holland. There’s no smoke without fire in this case.
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Of course he’s had a falling out with someone, probably Holland. There’s no smoke without fire in this case.
If he just hates international football, I respect that. I hate it too. It’s shit.
I would wager that loads of them would quit it if they weren’t worried about the backlash
I would wager that loads of them would quit it if they weren’t worried about the backlash
He won't start over Walker anyway.
International football is crap. Good for him
What happened in Qatar? Can't find a proper reason except for a rumoured falling out. Just seems like an excuse.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/19/ben-white-england-world-cup-qatar-2022 "Ben White: ‘After training, the last thing I want to do is watch football’"
I think with such attitude B£n Whit£ solely plays for money to the point he doesn't even care to represent his country because the extra money isn't worth it.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/19/ben-white-england-world-cup-qatar-2022 "Ben White: ‘After training, the last thing I want to do is watch football’"
I think with such attitude B£n Whit£ solely plays for money to the point he doesn't even care to represent his country because the extra money isn't worth it.
I think he doesn’t want to play for England as it’ll hamper his chances appearing for Spain, Portugal or one of those countries where they look like his tan.
You would be a great detective.
The Athletic have revealed more details on why Ben White was sent home from the England squad in Qatar and why he currently remains absent from the international set-up, despite his great form at club level this season.
According to The Athletic, Ben White had a row with England assistant manager Steve Holland where the Arsenal man was on the receiving end of a verbal dressing-down from Southgate’s right-hand man. The 26-year-old was already finding it difficult to conform to life of international football when Holland turned his anger on him.
At one meeting, Holland did not appear to think White was taking it seriously enough and there was an angry exchange in front of the other players that created a lot of discussion within England’s camp.
So strange. Can see him doing a Bentley as soon as Arsenal sign someone better, or he loses his spot to Timber.
So he got shouted at a bit by a coach? Unless Steve Holland said some truly reprehensible things to him, this seems like a silly reason to decline England call ups. There has to be more to it. This story just makes White seem like a big crybaby.
From all peer and coach accounts he seems to be a perfectly likeable, thorough professional. But good to know Weepat from the internet is annoyed he isn't being a man and representing Ingerlund.
That’s the second time this week you’ve randomly had a dig for no real reason. Are you incapable of just responding to me like a normal person? You’ve completely misunderstood the point of the post you’ve quoted.
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I'm taking a leaf out of RiP's book.
Your posts are naturally prejudiced against us and our players - I just happily take the bait.
Is it though? Go dig up my posts in the Odegaard thread, or the Rice thread or even the Havertz thread. And you’ve completely misunderstood the point of my post in this thread. You seem a little thin skinned man. I’m way more positive about Arsenal than most people on this forum.
“I haven’t spoken to him since this decision because I think it would be a similar conversation to the last one I had with him after Qatar. I could sense a reticence there which I felt I should back away from. I think it’s for him now.”
White did not feel at ease in Qatar, which is why he asked to go home, but Southgate said he was unable to articulate the specifics about why the player’s international career was on hold. He attacked the notion that it was because of an issue with his assistant Steve Holland.
“You’d have to speak to him or Arsenal to get an understanding,” Southgate said. “For me, England was the pinnacle. But I wasn’t at a club going for the league title or in the last couple of rounds of the Champions League. Everybody’s wired differently. There’s clearly a reason. But I don’t know the full reason.”
Have to admire Southgate's sniveling dishonesty here. There is very clearly an issue that he wants to not speak about that would explain why White doesn't want anything to do with his useless management and staff.
As for the bolded bit, sure you weren't, because you were a mediocre player turned mediocre manager. Putting it now on White as prioritising club over career is basically telling the English media to have a field day with character assassinations.
White did not feel at ease in Qatar, which is why he asked to go home, but Southgate said he was unable to articulate the specifics about why the player’s international career was on hold. He attacked the notion that it was because of an issue with his assistant Steve Holland.
“You’d have to speak to him or Arsenal to get an understanding,” Southgate said. “For me, England was the pinnacle. But I wasn’t at a club going for the league title or in the last couple of rounds of the Champions League. Everybody’s wired differently. There’s clearly a reason. But I don’t know the full reason.”
Have to admire Southgate's sniveling dishonesty here. There is very clearly an issue that he wants to not speak about that would explain why White doesn't want anything to do with his useless management and staff.As for the bolded bit, sure you weren't, because you were a mediocre player turned mediocre manager. Putting it now on White as prioritising club over career is basically telling the English media to have a field day with character assassinations.
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Why do people keep saying “good for him” and belittling international football
Making an impact on the world stage usually means erm the world to professional footballers. To each his own but I’m not sure what is laudworthy about not wanting to partake in international football. Not that this is the reason for it - we don’t know yet. Also he wouldn’t start anyway - can’t see anyone but walker starting at RB for England.
Making an impact on the world stage usually means erm the world to professional footballers. To each his own but I’m not sure what is laudworthy about not wanting to partake in international football. Not that this is the reason for it - we don’t know yet. Also he wouldn’t start anyway - can’t see anyone but walker starting at RB for England.
Which is?
Why do people keep saying “good for him” and belittling international football
Making an impact on the world stage usually means erm the world to professional footballers. To each his own but I’m not sure what is laudworthy about not wanting to partake in international football. Not that this is the reason for it - we don’t know yet. Also he wouldn’t start anyway - can’t see anyone but walker starting at RB for England.
Which is?
Please refer to White's first interview after being selected for England. It obviously meant the world to him.
Talk of Holland berating him constantly during training sessions, dropping only him from team sessions, mocking his 'don't think of football outside of playing' stance. Why would anyone want to play for someone they obviously consider an utter cnut.
You can’t have normal conversations with Arsenal fans. They’re incapable.
He doesn’t want to join a setup where he thought he was being victimised and treated differently from others.Perhaps he didn’t fit in as well as others in the group. I don’t know, im not really sure privy to his state of mind or what’s gone on, someone might see it as being a cry baby, someone else might see it as looking after his mental health.
He wouldn’t be the first person to fall out with a manager or coach, and he won’t be the last.
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According to pretty much any theory on good leadership, criticizing someone openly in front of colleagues is definitely not the way to go. The same would apply to footballers. A quick tip that others can benefit from is definitely a positive, but shouting to someone or having a go at them in front of their colleagues is something that one shouldn't do - I thought that was leadership of the 1900s? Or would you appreciate similar behaviour from your leader?
If you describe the way you talk about Arsenal related topics on here as a "normal conversation" I really feel sorry for the people in your life.
Are these the "normal conversations" you're talking about? Gee, I wonder why you're having trouble with them.
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Every football manager at every level of the game does it now, did it in the past and will do it in the future.
Yep, and I'm sure Mikel has ripped into White, as probably has Bielsa.
Can you think of any particular reason why he drew the line at Steve Holland? Perhaps the content of the diatribe has something to do with it?
I've never heard that Steve Holland was particularly volatile so this is an odd one.
I think the Athletic reported that White was dismissive of Holland when he was passing on some data based feedback and raised voices from both ensued.
White is a bit of a strange dude. Not a bad dude but not your typical footballer.
Southgate seems to allude there’s no problem with the coaches, although I feel like he’s lying. If White is getting treated differently to the others (I do think the public bust up shouldn’t be a huge deal to Ben though) + he’s second choice (feels like this is the thing that irks him the most), it is in his interest to prioritise club football where his team is doing well. Plus it’s not like club football where there are financial implications from not wanting to play (e.g. Sancho with United).
Fair play to White if he wants to be first choice and would rather prioritise club football if he isn’t - I just don’t see why Southgate should draw such a fuss to this issue given he’s got Walker, Trent and even Trippier/Reece James to cover RB. White can play CB too I suppose and can displace the all the CBs on the team bar John Stones - but he probably feels Dunk/Maguire will be picked over him.
with the mental anguish every true englishman is currently experiencing with the king’s cancer and kate’s undisclosed troubles, the last thing we need is some jumped up, teak stained ne’er-do-well thinking that he’s better than the country. he should be tried for treason.
Oi you
Probably had a dig at his fake tan
Is he not one of those footballers who doesn't particularly like football? Just happens to be pretty good at it.
Fair play. What's the worst that's going to happen, get booed by some meat heads at the Olympic Stadium?
I think that's probably a part of it as well. like you say, he's far down the pecking order for both positions. I think i've heard and read from players before, think Carragher might have been one, that found it hard to go away knowing that you are very unlikely to see much if any playing time. Some players love going away with the national team and are fine with that, other players actually don't really enjoy the experience at all so if your not playing they might think what's the point.
I honestly think this might be the case. He clashed with some staff, had personal private issues on top of that, then also knows he isn't first choice. He can't have enjoyed the experience at the world cup. I don't necessarily think there has to be a problem with the coaching staff for him to think twice about a call up.
I think this is likely the case. Ben White probably took the huff he wasn't going to play.
Feel like this whole thing is weird.
It’s Ben White. Yes he’s doing well for Arsenal, but he plays in the most stacked position in the squad. He’s perfectly justified to avoid duty, whilst Trent, Walker and Trippier are all very good players meaning you don’t necessarily miss him being there as things stand.
I think Michael Carrick did something similar. It worked out for us because he was still able to play well into his 30s, and even when he could barely run the difference of him being in the midfield ahead of less intelligent footballer was noticeable.
It’s Ben White. Yes he’s doing well for Arsenal, but he plays in the most stacked position in the squad. He’s perfectly justified to avoid duty, whilst Trent, Walker and Trippier are all very good players meaning you don’t necessarily miss him being there as things stand.
I think Michael Carrick did something similar. It worked out for us because he was still able to play well into his 30s, and even when he could barely run the difference of him being in the midfield ahead of less intelligent footballer was noticeable.
That was literally the point of my post. There has to be more to it than whatever the Athletic story you linked is reporting because that story made it seem like White just got shouted at a bit and then he decided to pack it in. I was questioning the Athletic. But apparently I just want him to man up and represent ingurland.
Depends on the setting. In my work place, no definitely not. Have I been criticised by the coach in front of the team in all the various football and basketball teams I've been a part of over the years? Yeah. Some coaches are abrasive like that, some coaches are put an arm around your shoulder types. Would I have preferred to not get screamed at in front of everyone? Of course, but I wouldn't quit the team because of it unless the coach said something utterly abhorrent to me that I absolutely could not let slide. I also think White wouldn't unless there was something more to this than what that Athletic story and Southgate's quotes are reporting.
People say he just doesn't like football but this what he tweeted after his debut.
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Summer tournaments get in the way of tanning season.
Scholes said he regretted not playing as much for England but if the environment isn't right or you're not going to be selected I can understand why you'd not want to go jetting around. Some will cling on to the chance of appearing and be next in line.
Scholes said he regretted not playing as much for England but if the environment isn't right or you're not going to be selected I can understand why you'd not want to go jetting around. Some will cling on to the chance of appearing and be next in line.
Seem obvious he had a falling out with the manager/assistant and doesn’t want to play for them.
Fair enough.
A separate point, but Southgate picking his faves must have pissed a lot of players off. You can’t blame players for giving up under those circumstances.
Fair enough.
A separate point, but Southgate picking his faves must have pissed a lot of players off. You can’t blame players for giving up under those circumstances.