Beckham, Scholes, Keane, Giggs - The Best Ever?

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Was this the best midfield ever? Was discussing it with my mate at the pub last night before the game and to assemble a midfield like that at the cost of £3.75m is just astounding, for me it had everything you could possibly want from a midfield, all in their prime aswell when we had them.
 
3,75 is the Keano's transfer fee, right?
I would argue that this combo was the best balanaced and simply the best midfield ever, each player was a top player in his position and the way they worked together made them look bigger than just a sum of parts.
there was everything for everybody in that midfield, they were like a well - composed boys band. There was a Pretty Boy (Becks), The Good one (Giggs) The Bad one (keano) and the loved/quite one (the Ginger Prince). In addition they had different styles - Beck's crosses against Ryan's dribbling, Keano's passion, aggression against Paul's masterminding attack somewhere in the shadow, behind the scenes. All of them had a great mental strength and were able to lift the whole team up. Every single one of them was a winner.
 
Most balanced midfield ever. That midfield wouldn't be as good if you replace one of them with a better player(Ronaldo instead of Beckham for example).
 
esmufc09 said:
Was this the best midfield ever? Was discussing it with my mate at the pub last night before the game and to assemble a midfield like that at the cost of £3.75m is just astounding, for me it had everything you could possibly want from a midfield, all in their prime aswell when we had them.
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It's got to be one of them. As many have cited, it's the frightening balance, ability and mental strength that's as good as anyone's who has ever played the game. It's hardly surprising that they all have/are playing into their mid-30's and still offering something huge.

A couple of suggestions:

Jairzinho, Clodoaldo, Gerson, Rivelinho - Brazil '70
Genghini, Giresse, Tigana, Platini - France circa 1982

I'm struggling to think of club sides with a better midfield, though Ajax had Neeskens, Haan and Cruyff in 1970's.
 
Juventus midfield that had Davids - Deschamps - Conte - Zidane was fairly incredible at the time.

Which makes Keane's achievement of going to the Delle Alphi and bringing us back from 2-0 after ten minutes almost single handedly all the more impressive. You don't dictate a game like he did, against those kind of players, in their own stadium, unless you're pretty fecking special.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/mar/27/joy-of-six-great-midfields
1) Brazil 1958-62 (Zagallo-Didi-Zito-Garrincha)


The only midfield to play in consecutive World Cup finals, never mind win them both. Next!


2) Manchester United 1998-2001 (Giggs-Scholes-Keane-Beckham)


No side has meshed the genres of midfield play so successfully: irrepressible, sinuous dribbler; granite-willed captain and metronomic passer; technically outstanding creator and goalscorer; and the greatest crosser of a ball in history. Together they were responsible for some of the most exhilarating, quick-quick-quicker football imaginable, and between them have played a mind-boggling 2,264 games for United.

They are palpably without peer domestically, having won three titles in their only full seasons together before Sir Alex Ferguson killed the golden goose and bought Juan Sebastián Verón in pursuit of another European Cup. (Perversely, of course, United had won the European Cup two years earlier with none of the four playing in their proper positions.) After that moments were few and far between, although there was a touching last hurrah at White Hart Lane in April 2003, when Beckham, Scholes, Giggs and Scholes again combined for the decisive goal in United's gloriously improbable championship victory.

For the partisan, much of their appeal lay in the fact that they got it: they were proper pros, free of bullshit (let's not get revisionist about Beckham here – he only fully embraced Brand Beckham when he knew he was past his peak) at a time when football was starting to disappear up its own hole. At club level they were the last great British and Irish midfield. And they were surely the best.


3) France 1984-86 (Giresse-Platini-Tigana-Fernandez)


It's never too late to find your soulmate. (Actually it is - if you're in your thirties you've had it - but allow us some artistic licence here.) When France's Carré Magique (Magic Square) first played together, in a friendly against England on 29 February 1984, Michel Platini and Jean Tigana were 28 and Alain Giresse was 31. The newbie, Luis Fernandez, was 24 and would complete a Bleu square that everybody wanted to bet on, and which would inspire France to famously win Euro 84 and reach the semi-finals of Mexico 86, their final act together.

They moved the ball around with the lazy serenity of collegiate dudes sharing a spliff. There was Giresse, the sort of squeaky-clean footballer you'd be proud to take home to your mother; Tigana with his outrageous, irresistible surges; Platini, the complete playmaker who also happened to score more than a goal every two games; and Fernandez, whose unforgettable penalty against Brazil unfairly dominates our thoughts to the exclusion of all his almost infinitesimal contributions.

Collectively, their greatest achievement of all might have been to make France the neutral's favourites. Let's be honest: the proverbial Gallic swagger rubs the masses up the wrong way these days, but this lot refreshed the parts other peers could not reach with their humility and their intuitive, highbrow passing. Never mind conventional foursomes: in football, they proved, the brain is certainly the most erogenous zone of all.


4) Liverpool 1978-80 (Kennedy-McDermott-Souness-Case)


Liverpool have had more lustrous midfield talents – despite the warped genius of Graeme Souness, this lot wouldn't compile 100 caps between them – but never a more devastating collective. Most notably in their first full season together, 1978-79, when Liverpool won the title at an absolute canter and their lowest midfield scorer in the league was Jimmy Case with seven.

In an age when football was seriously dirty, the erroneous temptation is first to look at their physical qualities. Ray Kennedy could handle himself, and then there were the Three Taches, who appropriately knew all about the rough stuff. But this mob gave opponents the chance to do this two ways: the hard way, or the even harder way. You could be kicked off the pitch, and with relish, yet in many ways it was more painful to be passed off it.

Kennedy was an outstanding footballer - who Bob Paisley said brought more enquiries than any other player in his time at Anfield - and will always be remembered for that velcro touch against Derby; Souness was simply majestic but Case gave jacks of all trades a good name and McDermott, who hoovered up the individual awards in 1979-80, was a goalscoring midfielder with proper ability, as shown by his steady stream of simply outrageous goals. As players, Souness and arguably Kennedy excepted, they were very good. As a group they were truly great.


5) Barcelona/Spain 2006-09 (Xavi-Iniesta-AN Other)


It's a peculiar thing, given the obvious and embarrassing difference in ability between you, me and even John O'Shea, that, when we watch football, we can for much of the time think that, with a fair wind and Dame Fortune having had a few liveners, we could do what he just did. But the rat-a-tat passing of Xavi, Iniesta and Barcelona's front three, adopted Catalans toying with a helpless mouse, is on a completely different technical and intellectual plane.

There have been more dynamic midfields in Spanish football (in 1989-90, Michel, Martin Vazquez and Bernd Schuster inspired Real Madrid to score a simply preposterous 78 goals in 19 home league games – seriously though, 78 in 19 games) but none as cerebral. Their exquisite through-passing makes the eye of the needle seem big enough to get a bus through, and their ball-retention is almost unprecedented. Watching them keep possession with almost absent-minded ease in the final minutes of the Euro 2008 final, as Germany hared around like neanderthals, was joyous. They are so good, it's terrifying.

What Sir Alex Ferguson described as their "passing carousel" is moving faster than ever this season, which has brought about some of the sort of aesthetically appealing football that has previously been beyond the mind's eye, never mind two eyes. It all forces defenders into a Tetrisian resistance. And, as we know, there is only one way that can end.


6) Everton 1984-85 (Sheedy-Bracewell-Reid-Steven)


The biggest regret about Everton's finest side is that they were not allowed to play in the European Cup. As a consequence, an arguably bigger regret is overshadowed: that their remarkable title-winning quartet of 1984-85 – who are probably just one last injury-time surge ahead of the Holy Trinity of Kendall, Harvey and Ball – hardly played together again at any level. We know of Paul Bracewell's injuries, which would rule him out of the 1986-87 title-winning campaign entirely, but it is often forgotten that Peter Reid, the furiously beating heart of the side, started only 15 league games out of 42 in both 1985-86 and 1986-87.

As a consequence, the season of 1984-85 has the wistful qualities of a glorious winter romance. Everton were simply unstoppable, and their midfield showed a desire that verged on the rabid. The erudite passing of Bracewell and the ceaseless energy of Reid - often patronised but the PFA Player of the Year that season - gave them control of central midfield, and on the wings Steven, all direct dribbles and pinpoint crosses, and Sheedy, with a left foot so educated it could have been to Harvard, scored an absurd 33 goals between them. Yet after that, the four of them would barely play 33 games together.
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Some other good midfields...

Real Madrid 2002 - Zidane, Figo, Makelele, Solari

Milan - Seedorf, Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso

Juve - Davids, Deschamps, Zidane + another.

Arsenal - Pires, Viera, Ljungberg, Gilberto
 
esmufc09 said:
Was this the best midfield ever? Was discussing it with my mate at the pub last night before the game and to assemble a midfield like that at the cost of £3.75m is just astounding, for me it had everything you could possibly want from a midfield, all in their prime aswell when we had them.
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Yes it was. When Keane was in his heyday, he and Scholes were absolutely fantastic together. Beckham was great for a couple of seasons on the wing, and Giggs was Giggs.
 
Nice article, there.

Anyone else surprised by the idea that it's only 1998-2001 for the United quartet though? I know it mentions Veron arriving that summer but he wasn't always first choice and they played many games as a foursome after that. I'd also have said it started pre-1998 as well. Butt used to get in around 95/96 but generally Scholes cemented his place after this, did he not?
 
A1Dan said:
Yeah, that's a rubbish return! Not like all those multiple European cups most midfields have won...
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:lol: My point was just that it's hard to be considered the best ever midfield when we arguably underperformed on the biggest stage. That's not to say they were a brilliant midfield, just that 'best ever' may be doing other teams a disservice.
 
brophs said:
:lol: My point was just that it's hard to be considered the best ever midfield when we arguably underperformed on the biggest stage. That's not to say they were a brilliant midfield, just that 'best ever' may be doing other teams a disservice.
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I don't think that means the midfield isn't the greatest ever.

Firstly, it was integral to winning the treble. Don't ever forget what a ridiculous achievement that was. It happens never for a reason.

Secondly, it isn't about this era being the greatest team ever, which if it was would mean your argument about 1 European Cup is a valid one. You have to consider what's behind and in front of that midfield. If that midfield had Rooney and Ronaldo ahead with Ferdinand and Vidic behind it, it would win everything forever.
 
How about 2006/07

Giggs-Scholes-Carrick-Ronaldo

I think we look back on that midfield 4 with pride when our success has run dry for a few seasons... maybe
 
Cling Bak said:
I don't think that means the midfield isn't the greatest ever.

Firstly, it was integral to winning the treble. Don't ever forget what a ridiculous achievement that was. It happens never for a reason.

Secondly, it isn't about this era being the greatest team ever, which if it was would mean your argument about 1 European Cup is a valid one. You have to consider what's behind and in front of that midfield. If that midfield had Rooney and Ronaldo ahead with Ferdinand and Vidic behind it, it would win everything forever.
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Those are fair points, and I agree, to a point.

All I'm saying is that it's far from cut and dried as to who was the best midfield ever, and we aren't a shoo-in by any means.
 
kouroux said:
Come on.
The guy was a human inconsistency
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True, but it's just as legitimate as that (admittedly very well written) Guardian article placing 'Xabi-Iniesta & AN Other" on the list. That Real Midfield would possibly have been the greatest ever (on paper - and possibly) if they hadn't have sold Makelele in pursuit of Beckham... Figo-Zidane-Makelele-Beckham would have been immense...They were all still (fairly) with it at the time

Cling Bak said:
If that midfield had Rooney and Ronaldo ahead with Ferdinand and Vidic behind it, it would win everything forever.
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Correct....and ever and ever and ever.
 
brophs said:
Those are fair points, and I agree, to a point.

All I'm saying is that it's far from cut and dried as to who was the best midfield ever, and we aren't a shoo-in by any means.
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I do agree it isn't a shoo-in. I just wanted it pointed out how difficult winning Champions League in any season is. In its current format, nobody has ever done it back-to-back. It's also worth noting the competition of Madrid's awesome 2000 and 2002 sides as well as Bayern in 2001, along with the general threat of Juve throughout.

Funny how we're so dominant now and our current midfield - which involves about 7 different players rotated - is no-where near as good as the '99 one.
 
What the feck does this mean?

(Perversely, of course, United had won the European Cup two years earlier with none of the four playing in their proper positions.)
 
MrMarcello said:
What the feck does this mean?

(Perversely, of course, United had won the European Cup two years earlier with none of the four playing in their proper positions.)
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1999 final midfield (left-right):

Blomqvist - Beckham - Butt - Giggs

A bit of a trivial point, but it's not untrue.
 
Decotron said:
Patrick Vieira and Emmanuel Petit and Overmars were pretty good in their pomp. Although I am leaving out the weakspot in that midfield Parlour.
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I had thought of that, it was a very good midfield but Parlour sticks out like a sore thumb there!
 
Cling Bak said:
1999 final midfield (left-right):

Blomqvist - Beckham - Butt - Giggs

A bit of a trivial point, but it's not untrue.
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So he's using two players not included in the actual quartet the article mentions and stating they won the Cup... when everyone knows Keane and Scholes were influential in getting there and a late dash won the match, not that midfield quartet, of which Blomqvist didn't even finish!
 
esmufc09 said:
Was this the best midfield ever? Was discussing it with my mate at the pub last night before the game and to assemble a midfield like that at the cost of £3.75m is just astounding, for me it had everything you could possibly want from a midfield, all in their prime aswell when we had them.
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10/10 ACCURACY

0/10 ORIGINALITY

(You, not the midfield.)
 
MrMarcello said:
What the feck does this mean?

(Perversely, of course, United had won the European Cup two years earlier with none of the four playing in their proper positions.)
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It means it is ironic that the 1999 team's greatest achievement was delivered without a direct contribution from the 1999 team's greatest component.

You will probably read a veiled insult into this.
 
Im not sure on whether I think 1999 was better than the 1994 midfield of Kanchelskis, Ince, Keane Giggs.

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