Barthez likes storming forward and playing as a sweeper quite a lot. It's such a shame he doesn't command his area with the same vigour. Having observed him over the last few weeks, I think that one of the reesons the backline are so nervous is that they defend Barthez to his 6 yard line and he's rubbish at coming off his line quickly to clear danger. Last night, Wes was shaking his head in disbelief at some of the Barthezs actions, as were other defenders on some of those corners. I don't think they know if or when he's gonna come for the ball. He's a liability and he cost us dear last year and will again. The biggest bunch of overated, overpayed shite I've seen since............
Barthez will becomes crazy when united is leading. He likes to play with the ball and make the strikers near to him.
Barthez also saved us last night.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Yes. Until such time as he makes too many mistakes, and not enough crucial saves.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed. Just look at Dudek and Seaman this year, not too long ago they were the best thing since sliced bread (longer for Seaman!).
Keepers are falible and Barthez is as good or even better for us than anyone else. Remember the procession of keepers we had? Look at what has happened with Bosnich!
There was only one Pele, one Maradona... I guess when it comes to keepers we can't expect a repetition of an extraordinary Peter Schmeichel.
sorry but does anyone think that Roy Caroll (now third in line) looks more stable than Barthez?
RC's record in that short run of games when Barthez was injured wasn't too bad.
Of cos im not calling for Barthez's shinning pate.. Juz a thot~~
RC's record in that short run of games when Barthez was injured wasn't too bad.
Of cos im not calling for Barthez's shinning pate..
Juz a thot~~i almost cacked the bags when he kicked the ball straight to the Basle player..thankfully Mickey was awake.
I feel sorry for Roy Carroll, he did a lot right and hardly anything wrong...yet hes been dumped to hardly even getting a game for the reserves.
I feel sorry for Roy Carroll, he did a lot right and hardly anything wrong...yet hes been dumped to hardly even getting a game for the reserves.
I, for one, second Ronnie. We have to aspire to the best. 2 seasons Liverpool's former keeper whose name escapes me made one mistake against Bolton. He made a second by stating afterwards that he would be no.1 the following week. The following week he was gone. Even if he doesn't make a mistake (and in my opinion he was at fault for all 3 Newcastle goals, yes even Shearer's plus all city's)he doesn't inspire confidence and that affects the defence esp. a young defence. I think the save last night was overrated. The header was right at him. If Fergie was as brave as times past he would offer Liverpool £10m for Kirkland who I think will be the best keeper around. Carroll was mightly unlucky. Don't forget we have now paid £2.5m for a 3rd in line keeper. Not cheap. Ricardo doesn't look up to it.
I will be all for replacing Barthez with a goalie who's better than him.
So, you lot wanting to get rid, who should replace him?
So, you lot wanting to get rid, who should replace him?
Yeah, Wes in his frustration booted the ball out for a throw and nearly cost us dearly. If Wes has an issue with Bart coming off the line, he should deal with it after the game.
Bart is blessed with moments of briliance, but he does give you grey hair.
Bart is blessed with moments of briliance, but he does give you grey hair.
but maybe we need a crazy goalkeeper. he keeps his defence on alert and everyone works harder.
he can also make brilliant brilliant saves this.. and as long as we're not losing more goals than the top 5 teams i think we're OK.
it's not exactly easy to snap up a cheap GK anymore. Cudicini was one of a kind for Chelsea.
Dudek, last i heard, is being dropped from the next game. He's made so many blunders in 2-3 games it seem to have erased all the good memory from early in the season.
he can also make brilliant brilliant saves this.. and as long as we're not losing more goals than the top 5 teams i think we're OK.
it's not exactly easy to snap up a cheap GK anymore. Cudicini was one of a kind for Chelsea.
Dudek, last i heard, is being dropped from the next game. He's made so many blunders in 2-3 games it seem to have erased all the good memory from early in the season.
Because we are an attack minded team, we often get caught on the break and you need someone to command that 18 yards like Schmikes did. I don't think there is anyone that can read a game like he used to do. It seem that Barthez is great in his own six yard box, and by that time, it's too late most of the time. I don't know if there is a rival in the world to match Schmikes in his prime, can anyone think of one?? Dudek is definatley talking to the chinese mafia once a week, maybe he knows Grobbalaar.....
Do you remember Alex giving an interview after a particularly good Carrol game and extolling the virtues of his no2 then getting his name wrong.
give Roy an airing.
give Roy an airing.
Why all the talk of bringing in the #3 keeper when Fab is in top form, and even if he wasn't, Ricardo would be in ahead of Mr.Roy...?
Y'just can't please some people
Y'just can't please some people
Ricardo's a good GK..
carrolls not good enough....
carrolls not good enough....
What bothered me most about last night was Barthez refusing to come and take the ball. On 3 occasions Brown was shielding the ball back to Barthez so he could pick it up and Barthez wouldn't come forcing Brown to make hurried clearances. Each time Barthez had enough time to come and collect. I also do not like his positioning for free kicks and too feel that he was at fault for all of Newcastles goals on Sat.
Maybe being a bit harsh but he doesn't instill confidence.
Maybe being a bit harsh but he doesn't instill confidence.
how the hell could anyone think bart was responsible for shearers second?
We'd have taken all 3 points at the Bridge if it hadn't been for Carroll's inexperience when he gifted them their 2nd.
Don't get me wrong, I like the lad. I just don't think he's even #2 at United.
Don't get me wrong, I like the lad. I just don't think he's even #2 at United.
Barthez isn't the keeper he used to be. By far. Too many mistakes, lapses in concentration.
I am unsure of Ricardo.
I never worry unduly when I see Carroll's name on the team sheet.
I am unsure of Ricardo.
I never worry unduly when I see Carroll's name on the team sheet.
I disagree, I think Fab's put the worst behind him. He's under the spotlight more than anyone else because he plays for United and he is regarded as one of the best goalies in the World.
I've only heard good things about Ricardo.
Carroll's a decent keeper, but no 1st team regular.
I've only heard good things about Ricardo.
Carroll's a decent keeper, but no 1st team regular.
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Have you seen Ricardo for the reserves then...?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nope. But then, reserve teams are in about the same league as Nationwide sides
Originally posted by antohan:
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Nope. But then, reserve teams are in about the same league as Nationwide sides
Your post becomes you
Fabien will never change the way he plays.
He's always been prone doing crazy things, but look at his record. World Cup & European Championship winner. Premiership winner etc.... the list goes on.
He's made a few mistakes but try and name a goalie who hasn't. A lot of people seem to think that Peter never made a mistake.
He's still young for a keeper and he is capable of pulling of unbelievable saves.
He still earns us more points than he costs us and until that changes he should stay
He's always been prone doing crazy things, but look at his record. World Cup & European Championship winner. Premiership winner etc.... the list goes on.
He's made a few mistakes but try and name a goalie who hasn't. A lot of people seem to think that Peter never made a mistake.
He's still young for a keeper and he is capable of pulling of unbelievable saves.
He still earns us more points than he costs us and until that changes he should stay
Ricardo conceded two against Maccabi that are generally condidered to have been unstoppable. His other two games he kept a clean sheet.
Carroll has kept 4 clean sheets, and only conceded goals in 2 games, chelsea with 2 goals, and sunderland with the 1. In his subs appearances he conceded one against Maccabi at home.
Barthez has kept 4 clean sheets too, and conceded 17 goals in 17 games.
Carroll has kept 4 clean sheets, and only conceded goals in 2 games, chelsea with 2 goals, and sunderland with the 1. In his subs appearances he conceded one against Maccabi at home.
Barthez has kept 4 clean sheets too, and conceded 17 goals in 17 games.