Bart Verbruggen | Signs for Brighton

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Idxomer said:
The De Gea presence is hampering us once again, renewing him is a bad idea even if we are bringing in some competition for him.

The Glazers' dithering is reflected in all of the club's decisions. De Gea has been at the club for 12 years, just let him go and move on.
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We haven‘t renewed DeGea yet have we?
 
Typical United this, get linked to a quality player with huge potential, differ over it until a competent club like Brighton shows interest, fail to convince the player he has a legitimate chance at competing, the player joins another club, moan about what could have been.
 
Idxomer said:
The De Gea presence is hampering us once again, renewing him is a bad idea even if we are bringing in some competition for him.

The Glazers' dithering is reflected in all of the club's decisions. De Gea has been at the club for 12 years, just let him go and move on.
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Yeah show some fecking ruthlessness for once
 
NLunited said:
We haven‘t renewed DeGea yet have we?
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That's my point, why haven't they made a decision one way or another? According to reports, it's all but done anyway but for some reason it hasn't been announced. They are dithering and probably can't agree on what the team needs.

The keeper situation was also a mess last summer. We started the transfer window with reports coming we want a 3rd choice keeper. The season began and that changed, Ten Hag now wants a competition for De Gea. We got linked with keepers who mostly have the wrong profile to settle at the end on fecking Dubravka.
 
Keeping De Gea around would actually make more sense in this case. To expect Verbruggen to come in, be first choice straight away and deal with the enormous pressure that brings is a huge risk. With De Gea still here you could either gradually ease Verbruggen (or another young keeper) into the side through cup games and league matches against the weaker sides, or at least know you have someone there as back-up if he makes a few mistakes early on.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
Keeping De Gea around would actually make more sense in this case. To expect Verbruggen to come in, be first choice straight away and deal with the enormous pressure that brings is a huge risk. With De Gea still here you could either gradually ease Verbruggen (or another young keeper) into the side through cup games and league matches against the weaker sides, or at least know you have someone there as back-up if he makes a few mistakes early on.
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Keeping De Gea is my worst nightmare
 
Come on lads, let's be realistic, we're not replacing de gea with a 20 year old from the Belgian league. He has a much better path to the first team with Brighton. He was always coming as second choice.

What is interesting is what happens with Sanchez if he is being told he will replace Steele. Get the sense Sanchez said he wants out and de Zerbi sacked him off.
 
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Typical United this, get linked to a quality player with huge potential, differ over it until a competent club like Brighton shows interest, fail to convince the player he has a legitimate chance at competing, the player joins another club, moan about what could have been.
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You must have missed the bit where it said he had turned us down in the past because he wants to play first team football.

we can’t sign everyone, we have only got 11first team places
 
IRN-BRUno said:
Keeping De Gea around would actually make more sense in this case. To expect Verbruggen to come in, be first choice straight away and deal with the enormous pressure that brings is a huge risk. With De Gea still here you could either gradually ease Verbruggen (or another young keeper) into the side through cup games and league matches against the weaker sides, or at least know you have someone there as back-up if he makes a few mistakes early on.
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That wouldn't work at all. They're two entirely different goalkeepers, so you'd either be forced to significantly change tactics from one game to another (always a bad idea), or play tactics that work for either keeper and get poor performances from the other.

As I said in another thread, given De Gea is not a high-quality keeper in any aspect anymore, I would tend to agree with people arguing that he should be let go and United should get two new, stylistically similar goalkeepers in - for example Verbruggen as a starter and someone else equally cheap as his back-up/competition. That's affordable, frees up a lot of wage space, and not more risky than keeping De Gea between the sticks (who holds back the team tactically and has even become statistically average at shot-stopping).
 
No matter how big a talent he is, bringing in a youngster from the Belgian league to be our immediate #1 is a huge risk, both for him and us. A move to Brighton is a much better idea for him I'd say, if development is what he's prioritising.

Of course SAF did something similar with DDG, but he had so much credit in the bank he could afford to take those risks - would ETH think the same? I doubt it. He can't afford a catastrophe between the sticks.

That being said this guys stats and highlights look very good. It's just a bit more complicated with goalkeepers as opposed to midfielders like Caicedo for example.
 
OleGunnar20 said:
No matter how big a talent he is, bringing in a youngster from the Belgian league to be our immediate #1 is a huge risk, both for him and us. A move to Brighton is a much better idea for him I'd say, if development is what he's prioritising.

Of course SAF did something similar with DDG, but he had so much credit in the bank he could afford to take those risks - would ETH think the same? I doubt it. He can't afford a catastrophe between the sticks.

That being said this guys stats and highlights look very good. It's just a bit more complicated with goalkeepers as opposed to midfielders like Caicedo for example.
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SAF also had the benefit of a fairly solid number 2 at the time in Lindegaard who would have been (and indeed was) an able deputy during that first season.
 
Nicoseth said:
Interestingly not. It's getting pretty late in the day too. 3 weeks left to run on his deal. I can see him getting let go - which I am not sure is a great idea.
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Only real concern would be the delay jeopardizing sale of Henderson and the knock-on effect this would have on potential recruitment of other players, given the budget. De Gea is only getting 'high' wages here or in Saudi, and it's primarily players at the fag-end of their careers choosing the Saudi option ( Kante being one, partial and debatable, exception). He doesn't fit any other top club -or us, really, but it seems the transition into efficient squad management and selling off players who don't fit is a characteristically slow one with the Glazers still infecting the club....
 
croadyman said:
I noticed on his whoscored (know not always a true picture) it says one of his weaknesses is catching crosses.
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He's pretty decent in that department (albeit untested against the best-of-the-best in terms of aerial bombardment), and will only improve with time and experience.

This is a relatively long and somewhat detailed compilation of his general play (and crucially, includes the the low-lights and unforced errors):




No one should be measured against Manuel Neuer (who is arguably the greatest goalkeeper of all time and the one with the highest peak), but even a casual observer should be able to tell where some of the stylistic comparisons stem from.
 
Stobzilla said:
SAF also had the benefit of a fairly solid number 2 at the time in Lindegaard who would have been (and indeed was) an able deputy during that first season.
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Yep. DDG could be used in a similar way of course but it doesn't quite fit for my money. I think we'd be better off spending big on someone like Costa or Maignan and moving DDG on. I'm sure most would agree.
 
I've parked my muppet train here. And I am going to believe that Pickford is a smokescreen for us swooping in just as Brighton think they've got it done.
 
OleGunnar20 said:
Yep. DDG could be used in a similar way of course but it doesn't quite fit for my money. I think we'd be better off spending big on someone like Costa or Maignan and moving DDG on. I'm sure most would agree.
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Yeah that's what I hope we do as well
 
Cheimoon said:
That wouldn't work at all. They're two entirely different goalkeepers, so you'd either be forced to significantly change tactics from one game to another (always a bad idea), or play tactics that work for either keeper and get poor performances from the other.

As I said in another thread, given De Gea is not a high-quality keeper in any aspect anymore, I would tend to agree with people arguing that he should be let go and United should get two new, stylistically similar goalkeepers in - for example Verbruggen as a starter and someone else equally cheap as his back-up/competition. That's affordable, frees up a lot of wage space, and not more risky than keeping De Gea between the sticks (who holds back the team tactically and has even become statistically average at shot-stopping).
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It's not ideal but I think it's slightly more understandable than renewing his contract and also spending £30m+ on a Pickford/Raya/Costa which makes no sense at all.

I'm a fairly late convert to the 'move De Gea on' club but that's clearly the best option now. And as time goes on without any announcement of a renewal, I wouldn't rule that out from happening.
 


Either we decided to not follow up on the interest or we can’t because of whats going on with Henderson and De Gea
 
L1nk said:


Either we decided to not follow up on the interest or we can’t because of whats going on with Henderson and De Gea
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Surely if United said they'd definitely want him but he'd have to wait a month so they can sort out their current situation and takeover shit, he would wait an extra month to play for United instead of Brighton.

I feel United aren't interested
 
It's always hard to know how much our interest is genuine and how much our name is being used.
 
Not expensive enough for us. I think we could do worse than Robert Sanchez despite him falling out of favor with De Zerbi.
 
This dude is something else. Making save after save today at the European U21 Championship.
 
Ramos said:
This dude is something else. Making save after save today at the European U21 Championship.
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Brighton scouts don’t miss. Can’t remember if we were monitoring, admiring or interested.
 
MUFC OK said:
Brighton scouts don’t miss. Can’t remember if we were monitoring, admiring or interested.
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Oh they miss plenty all right but they are Doing Great at the moment so everything about them gets exaggerated .
 
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Robert Sanchez is all but gone, he refused to train or be on the bench after being dropped for Steele. De Zerbi said “it is not mine or the club’s decision, it’s Sanchez’s” regarding whether he would feature again for us. He’s definitely off this summer, probably for a relatively modest fee.

Despite Steele’s good form, and given the falling out with Sanchez, a new keeper is a certainty for us this summer and it’s looking very possible Verbruggen is the guy. We also have his understudy Kjell Scherpen on our books, but he has not set the world alight on loan at Vitesse last season and a sale or another loan is a given.

He looks very promising and would be coming straight in to compete with Steele for the #1 shirt.
 
gajender said:
Oh they miss plenty all right but they are Doing Great at the moment so everything about them gets exaggerated .
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It was a figure of speech. This is a great GK singing for them though. At £20m, if we were really looking for an understudy and not a no.1 then we should have probably been in the race.
 
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