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messi betrayed by Barcelona, something I have been saying all week. Completely misled him
messi betrayed by Barcelona, something I have been saying all week. Completely misled him
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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Unless I'm reading something completely different, that's not what it says.
Barca also can't afford to be paying players that they can't even register. It's pretty obvious that if this isn't sorted, the club will just come to an arrangement to release them. Unless the players want to stay for the paycheck of course, which would be hilarious.
What is happening with Matheus Fernandes?.
Last update I read was a while back was that he was planning to sue them, but no update since.
Last update I read was a while back was that he was planning to sue them, but no update since.
They lied to Messi, which is a bit different from betraying him ffs
Look, the only realistic way for barcelona to keep Messi was to sell Pedri and De Jong. And if Laporta went to Messi and told him "the only way we can keep you is by selling Pedri and De Jong", Messi likely would told him "No worries, I'll just leave then"
Laporta tried desperately to find a partner - i.e. either Tebas or one of two clubs - to help him find a solution to offload Griezmann and Coutinho. Obviously he failed, as everybody with even a slight read on the situation could have predicted 3 months ago.
Realistically they never had a chance to keep him. It's a bad look that they lied to him, sure, but then again, politics
The only “lie” seems to be that he told Messi that he had a way to keep him and it doesn’t look like he had. False promises are given to most employees in any company. Welcome to the corporate wokld Messi
Surely Barca are going to have to sell one of De Jong or Pedri. I mean at this point, it isn't even the fact that they cannot register their new players, they cannot even register a number of their squad from last season. I mean isn't their wage bill next season meant to be €180m or something? Griezmann alone takes up a minimum of 23% of that figure at €800k a week (if it is €880k as also reported push that to 25%.)
I honestly, don't see a way around it for them. Only possibility is the players taking 50% cuts or something and I cannot see them all (some may like Pique and Biscuits) agreeing to that.
I honestly, don't see a way around it for them. Only possibility is the players taking 50% cuts or something and I cannot see them all (some may like Pique and Biscuits) agreeing to that.
I think i'd rather keep them and live without the new signings personally
Messi had to be out (he should last year), but I don't like the fact that he will play for PSG. The football team I hate the most. Yes, I prefer 1000 times Real Madrid than PSG. PSG is a summary of everything hatable in football and sports. By the way, he was crying (fake) sunday and he already knew he was going to play for PSG. A famous spanish twitcher (or whatever they are called) was invited to have dinner with him, Aguero and some others and he confirmed he told them he was going to play for PSG, this guy has gone to Paris to comment the presetnation in twitch. Leo was a great player on the pitch but was a 0 outside.
Anyway, we still need to unload a few players, I hope we still can send Pjanic to Juve, and somebody else between Braithwaite, Umtiti... maybe Moriba (despicable man, all yours if you pay a decent transfer fee). Some players (at least Pique) will reduce their wages, or they told they would.
Some (if not all) of the signings won't be for the 1st match. I honestly don't care, the goal for this season is making it to the top4 of LaLiga to keep playing Champions League (same objective as last season if you asked to any Barcelona fan).
Koeman should start giving more minutes from the beginning to the likes of Nico, Balde, Demir... i don't need to mention others like Pedri, Fati... but there are some interesting prospects and this year (and next ones) is a perfect opportunity for them. If all the economic noise disappear (or it is not the headline every single day) this could be a fun year even if we don't fight for any title. But we need to watch this new blood.
All this comes from the absolutely disgusting FFP ruling from LaLiga, who didn't change a single comma with the pandemic. All around the world you can find changes to help in the transition, not in LaLiga. The value of the competition is in all time lows, you can check the signings of this year and it is by far the league that least spent, far away not only from PL, but Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue1... Barça is "on the brink", but Real Madrid signed nobody and had to sell players, Atletico only signed DePaul because they had 180M capital increase. Sevilla has been forced to sell Bryan Gil and probably Kounde, they will spend close to nothing because FFP rules. Middle class teams just kept selling and usual and signed more people form Segunda Division. No opportunity to keep your squad even if you saved money during the pandemic. In LaLiga you need to comply with FFP before the season starts with a lot of limitations, not like France where you don't need to respect it until 2023 and where you only need to comply at the end.
How much would you pay?
Anyway, we still need to unload a few players, I hope we still can send Pjanic to Juve, and somebody else between Braithwaite, Umtiti... maybe Moriba (despicable man, all yours if you pay a decent transfer fee). Some players (at least Pique) will reduce their wages, or they told they would.
Some (if not all) of the signings won't be for the 1st match. I honestly don't care, the goal for this season is making it to the top4 of LaLiga to keep playing Champions League (same objective as last season if you asked to any Barcelona fan).
Koeman should start giving more minutes from the beginning to the likes of Nico, Balde, Demir... i don't need to mention others like Pedri, Fati... but there are some interesting prospects and this year (and next ones) is a perfect opportunity for them. If all the economic noise disappear (or it is not the headline every single day) this could be a fun year even if we don't fight for any title. But we need to watch this new blood.
All this comes from the absolutely disgusting FFP ruling from LaLiga, who didn't change a single comma with the pandemic. All around the world you can find changes to help in the transition, not in LaLiga. The value of the competition is in all time lows, you can check the signings of this year and it is by far the league that least spent, far away not only from PL, but Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue1... Barça is "on the brink", but Real Madrid signed nobody and had to sell players, Atletico only signed DePaul because they had 180M capital increase. Sevilla has been forced to sell Bryan Gil and probably Kounde, they will spend close to nothing because FFP rules. Middle class teams just kept selling and usual and signed more people form Segunda Division. No opportunity to keep your squad even if you saved money during the pandemic. In LaLiga you need to comply with FFP before the season starts with a lot of limitations, not like France where you don't need to respect it until 2023 and where you only need to comply at the end.
How much would you pay?
Messi had to be out (he should last year), but I don't like the fact that he will play for PSG. The football team I hate the most. Yes, I prefer 1000 times Real Madrid than PSG. PSG is a summary of everything hatable in football and sports. By the way, he was crying (fake) sunday and he already knew he was going to play for PSG. A famous spanish twitcher (or whatever they are called) was invited to have dinner with him, Aguero and some others and he confirmed he told them he was going to play for PSG, this guy has gone to Paris to comment the presetnation in twitch. Leo was a great player on the pitch but was a 0 outside.
Anyway, we still need to unload a few players, I hope we still can send Pjanic to Juve, and somebody else between Braithwaite, Umtiti... maybe Moriba (despicable man, all yours if you pay a decent transfer fee). Some players (at least Pique) will reduce their wages, or they told they would.
Some (if not all) of the signings won't be for the 1st match. I honestly don't care, the goal for this season is making it to the top4 of LaLiga to keep playing Champions League (same objective as last season if you asked to any Barcelona fan).
Koeman should start giving more minutes from the beginning to the likes of Nico, Balde, Demir... i don't need to mention others like Pedri, Fati... but there are some interesting prospects and this year (and next ones) is a perfect opportunity for them. If all the economic noise disappear (or it is not the headline every single day) this could be a fun year even if we don't fight for any title. But we need to watch this new blood.
All this comes from the absolutely disgusting FFP ruling from LaLiga, who didn't change a single comma with the pandemic. All around the world you can find changes to help in the transition, not in LaLiga. The value of the competition is in all time lows, you can check the signings of this year and it is by far the league that least spent, far away not only from PL, but Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue1... Barça is "on the brink", but Real Madrid signed nobody and had to sell players, Atletico only signed DePaul because they had 180M capital increase. Sevilla has been forced to sell Bryan Gil and probably Kounde, they will spend close to nothing because FFP rules. Middle class teams just kept selling and usual and signed more people form Segunda Division. No opportunity to keep your squad even if you saved money during the pandemic. In LaLiga you need to comply with FFP before the season starts with a lot of limitations, not like France where you don't need to respect it until 2023 and where you only need to comply at the end.
How much would you pay?
Paris is close to Barcelona, has good wheather, has his friends playing there, are CL favorites and they are the club that offered the most money. I think you as a hardcore FCB fan too can ignore your feelings for a bit and understand that choice.
To call Messi "fake" really makes you question your cule status TBH. As if hes supposed to take a sabatical because the incompetent Barcelona board couldnt sign the best player in the history of their club due to their own fault and nobody's elses.
paris good weather... yeah...
maybe if you are from manchester or finland, but compared to barcelona is a shitty weather. who has ever moved to paris for the weather? hahaha.
it is the most hated (along real madrid) team from any barça fan (at least spanish fans). and probably, the most hated team in the world overall. they hate us too, they sing every single day "puta barça" (f*** barça). personally, i prefer real over psg, by miles. you can understand a modern giggs playing for manchester city or liverpool. same weather, same city or neighboring one... CL favorites. i think any hardcore united fan could ignore their feelings for a bit and understand that choice.
and im not crying, i say i don't like it because it is the most despicable team of the world. period.
and it is obviously fake, he had signed before the meeting with the press. it has been confirmed by a twitch star who has gone to paris to cover his presentation. he knew it on saturday. it is a fact, it is not debatable.
The strangest thing about this is that they made these new signings without having the matter of how they register them sorted out before. You would think it makes sense to sort that out before bringing players in, rather than bringing them in then scrambling to find a way to make it work.
How mad at Laporta Agüero must be. He clearly signed for them because of Messi. This is a key argument when someone believes that all this was already prepared with PSG.
They also told Messi all year it wouldn’t be a problem bringing him back. Like wtf
Seeing as the situation is so dire, there is one thing I don't get. If it was clear from the outset that the FFP La Liga cap was handicapping Barcelona (and I guess it was), why didn't Laporta invoke the nuclear option right away and just take everyone to regular court? One line of attack in a commercial court arguing that salary caps are illegal by definition in EU, and institute criminal proceedings against Tebas and everyone down the chain of command.
If nothing else, it would sure be interesting hearing whomever was responsible for La Liga FFP explaining how Barcelona accumulated 1.5+ billion of debt while the scheme that was supposed to avert that was operational and what measures did the people in charge take to prevent that from happening.
If nothing else, it would sure be interesting hearing whomever was responsible for La Liga FFP explaining how Barcelona accumulated 1.5+ billion of debt while the scheme that was supposed to avert that was operational and what measures did the people in charge take to prevent that from happening.
All these "cules" couldn't find Barcelona on a map.
What's the point of delaying FFP to after covid when your club is running out of money to pay wages to the players and there's no guarantee that the club has enough money to burn till the pandemic is over.Messi had to be out (he should last year), but I don't like the fact that he will play for PSG. The football team I hate the most. Yes, I prefer 1000 times Real Madrid than PSG. PSG is a summary of everything hatable in football and sports. By the way, he was crying (fake) sunday and he already knew he was going to play for PSG. A famous spanish twitcher (or whatever they are called) was invited to have dinner with him, Aguero and some others and he confirmed he told them he was going to play for PSG, this guy has gone to Paris to comment the presetnation in twitch. Leo was a great player on the pitch but was a 0 outside.
Anyway, we still need to unload a few players, I hope we still can send Pjanic to Juve, and somebody else between Braithwaite, Umtiti... maybe Moriba (despicable man, all yours if you pay a decent transfer fee). Some players (at least Pique) will reduce their wages, or they told they would.
Some (if not all) of the signings won't be for the 1st match. I honestly don't care, the goal for this season is making it to the top4 of LaLiga to keep playing Champions League (same objective as last season if you asked to any Barcelona fan).
Koeman should start giving more minutes from the beginning to the likes of Nico, Balde, Demir... i don't need to mention others like Pedri, Fati... but there are some interesting prospects and this year (and next ones) is a perfect opportunity for them. If all the economic noise disappear (or it is not the headline every single day) this could be a fun year even if we don't fight for any title. But we need to watch this new blood.
All this comes from the absolutely disgusting FFP ruling from LaLiga, who didn't change a single comma with the pandemic. All around the world you can find changes to help in the transition, not in LaLiga. The value of the competition is in all time lows, you can check the signings of this year and it is by far the league that least spent, far away not only from PL, but Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue1... Barça is "on the brink", but Real Madrid signed nobody and had to sell players, Atletico only signed DePaul because they had 180M capital increase. Sevilla has been forced to sell Bryan Gil and probably Kounde, they will spend close to nothing because FFP rules. Middle class teams just kept selling and usual and signed more people form Segunda Division. No opportunity to keep your squad even if you saved money during the pandemic. In LaLiga you need to comply with FFP before the season starts with a lot of limitations, not like France where you don't need to respect it until 2023 and where you only need to comply at the end.
How much would you pay?
Saving money in the pandemic my ass, Barcelona's wages has been increasing while their revenue is down.
You should be glad there's FFP to force Barcelona to actually make some effort to survive, otherwise they'll go bankrupt sooner or later.
what is the point of taking any measure about covid then?
every single govern/league took measures to handle the situation.
premier example: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-financial-rules-due-to-coronavirus-ssjkknrk6
are you against it?
laliga didn't relax a single thing. for laliga it is like covid didnt exist. you need to adjust your situation to covid within this summer. that is crazy.
how on earth helps to you to be forced to release over 50% of your salaries in 2 months? you are forcing to close extremely shitty deals because every team will know that you have no alternative.
real madrid have sold players like varane and it is very complicated for them to sign anybody (and they have been saving for a long time)
atletico only signed depaul because they had 180M capital increase, because otherwise they coudnt meet FFP either, and they didnt do any crazy thing
sevilla is forced to sell bryan gil (probably their best youngster) and they want to sell kounde (arguably their best player) to comply with FFP this season.
laliga spending is faaaaaaar below any other league, not because they overspent, but because laliga FFP that didnt take covid into account for anything.
barça management has been horrendous for years, it is not new and it is deserved to pay for it, but covid+laliga combined have been a bomb together
Are you saying the crying in front of camera the other day was fake?
well, for me Messi should be on gardening leave.
On a more serious note, Messi, Neymar and Mbappe. How terrifying could it be facing those 3?
On a more serious note, Messi, Neymar and Mbappe. How terrifying could it be facing those 3?
He was lying when he said that he didn't know where he was going to play next.
On Saturday he told it, at least, to a twitch streamer.
He knew that he was going to play for PSG. He knows that for many Barça fans playing for PSG is like playing for Real.
I cannot be happy for him no matter what he does, which would not happen if he played for virtually any other team of the world, aside Real.
I don't hate him, but it is impossible to me to wish him any success while playing for PSG.
What would you think about Giggs crying while lying about going to play for City/Liverpool? would you like him to win PL and Champions every year?
Ibai, the Twitch guy you are talking, knew because he was at Messi's house the day before his press conference. PSG was the most logic option for him.
Playing for PSG it's like playing for Real Madrid? WTH. They're not even in the same country. Your example isn't a good one.
You should be mad and doing something about Bartomeu instead of being mad at Leo.
Playing for PSG it's like playing for Real Madrid? WTH. They're not even in the same country. Your example isn't a good one.
You should be mad and doing something about Bartomeu instead of being mad at Leo.
Probably not fake, but definitely exaggerated
why do you cite me to tell me that im telling the truth?
yes. it was confirmed to ibai (and others) that he was going to play for psg, on saturday.
he told on sunday that he didnt know where he was going to play. big lie, he knew, and im pretty sure he knew before that. every single contract he signed took months to sign and he closed a deal with psg in literally 24 hours... sorry i dont believe it.
it is not my example, it is the feeling of many barça fans in spain. psg is a very very very very hated team, close to real madrid (and maybe espanyol if you are from barcelona).
i dont mind what you believe in uk, germany or philippines, im telling you facts about how barça fans (especially from spain) feel about psg, and messi knew it. i prefer myself real over psg.
and ive been against bartomeu FOR YEARS, even with the treble i was very very very against him because he has worsen the squad every single year for a decade. ive told many times (for years) that he should be in jail. what else do you want me to do?
besides, cant i have an opinion about messi, laporta, de jong or pedri? wtf?
La Liga teams spend less because apart from 3 clubs, every other team has just doesn't earn as much as other clubs around in Europe.
If La Liga didn't force FFP on the clubs, most of them won't survive till the pandemic is over. How the feck are you blaming FFP when your club is spending more on wages than they're earning? Where's the money to pay the players supposed to come from? Spanish government ain't bailing clubs out when the economy is on the dumps.
Money isn't going to magically appear in the players bank account. Your club is horribly run and that's a fact. You may not like FFP, but it'll actually give your league a chance to survive instead of having multiple teams go bankrupt.
That's just the polite/diplomatic thing to say. At the press conference regarding your leaving Barcelona you can't be going on about joining PSG.
Also, I find it hard to believe that one or two transfers have created this iconic and enormous rivalry between Barcelona and PSG that surpasses the one with Madrid. I mean, it's a feck all rivalry really. You meet in the CL and that's pretty much it. This is the Twitter meme generation I guess.
His agent did the right thing, he got Messi his big money move to PSG and painted him out to be the victim who was forced out of Barcelona.
Is that why Sevilla have been doing cash plus player swaps? Swaps are not very common yet in this window they got lamela that way and would have gotten cash plus Zouma for kounde had Zouma agreed to the deal.
yes. if they want to make some changes in the squad they need to sell their best players. if swap, you need to include worse players.
there is a rule that is explained in the next link (basically all the teams surpassed the salary cap in 2019-2020 due to covid, that killed half season) that generates this situation and made messi really hard to kept (he couldnt play for free).
Article 100
It's the mantra. The maxim to which all teams with the salary cap exceeded (almost all, actually, to a greater or lesser extent) have to adjust: they can only spend 25% of what they save. There is a caveat: it can be as much as 50% if the player they are freeing themselves from unburdens a very large salary.
This 25% rule also applies to bartering. There's no point in exchanging one player for another. If you take away Umtiti because you exchange him for another, that other can only charge 25% of what Samuel charged.
Another thing is for Barcelona to accept that they are not going to be able to cut all the excess salary cap this summer, take the sanction imposed by LaLiga, and keep working with this Article 100 in 2022-23. Either that, or sell Coutinho, Dembele and one or two others well. Or, in the worst case scenario, activate the "Messi saves Barça by not renewing" plan.
https://www.marca.com/futbol/primera-division/2021/07/02/60ddc12fca4741ae768b4593.html
Register as you can: the tough summer ahead for Barcelona, Valencia, Betis, Sevilla and Levante
big chunk about barça (by far the team in worse situation).
Some interesting parts about top clubs and Sevilla....
The worst off
A long way behind Barcelona are four other clubs that have suffered, more than the others, the consequences of not being able to count on their stadium. They are Valencia, above all, and also Sevilla, Betis and Levante. Atletico narrowly escapes being in this group thanks to the savings made last season and the capital increase.
Real Madrid, which has suffered as much as Barcelona from the rigors of not being able to pay anything for the stadium since March 2020, however, is making better progress than Barça: not renewing expensive contracts such as Sergio Ramos, counting on savings and not making the squad more expensive with new signings, keeping those with current contracts in the team. And without making no bones about possible sales, such as the possible departure of Varane to Manchester United.
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It kills Betis and Sevilla not to have their stadium for so long. Much more than others with better financial health for depending only on television rights such as Celta, Getafe, Cadiz, Granada... The money from TV continues to arrive and what for some is 95% of their income, for others is 70 or 75% and of course, they suffer more. However, the two Sevillian teams are just a couple of market moves away from getting out of the hole.
"Sevilla does not have it easy, but by taking away a player, for example, like Koundé, or even one with less market value, they can solve it more than enough," explains Bayón.
i honestly think you have some reading problems.
your 1st sentence is simply false.
and you are obsessed with "government bailing" clubs. i read that a lot and it is completely wrong. it is a lost battle because it is embebed in your brains and will never change.
if money is not going to magically appear, why the premier league took measures to let teams spending more than they could afford during covid times?
you have no idea how ffp works in spain, and how it has been handled during covid times. you came here with your mind made and that is all you will have. great.
laliga teams had a lower wage/revenues than premier league (in fact, only the bundesliga has better ratios), but only laliga teams are having issues to comply with the local ffp rules. magic? or maybe the rules are different?
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...It meant wage-to-revenue,% from 73% in France.
you repeat that "the club is horribly run" as it was a response to everything, and as i have ever told that bartomeu shoudn't be in jail.
bartomeu ruining barcelona seems to explain to you why sevilla, atletico, real madrid or every single team in laliga is paying nothing for any player. which is, obviously, ridiculous
- today is raining in london
- yes yes yes but your team is horribly run
You're clearly ignoring the fact that the majority of revenue in La Liga is boosted by the 3 biggest club. You literally quoted an example showing how most la Liga clubs rely on TV income to survive and yet you think FFP is killing them when in reality it's forcing them to cut down on spendings to ensure the survival of the clubs till the world gets back to normal. The players wages have to be paid but there's not guarentee that revenues will be normal.
But sure you're right, La Liga should have not enforced FFP and allowed clubs to spend beyond their means during the pandemic when their revenue is down.
Not signing a contract extension with a lower salary does not make you a despicable man. He's 18, a La Masia graduate, whose been caught up in the clown circus that is Barcelona. He has every right to decline a contract that does not represent his real market value and if he believes his path to a starting eleven spot is blocked, he should not sign it and instead gamble on his qualities and leave next season. Between you and Laporta, I don't know what's wrong with Barcelona supporters and even football supporters in general.
Uh. That would be Barcelona(along with the rest of Spain's first two divisions)
@giorno , serious question to you(and other Real supporters): to you enjoy watching Barca‘s mess or are you worried about the league? Which feeling dominates?
I'm glad to hear that
I know PSG fans hated Barça not only for the remontada (PSG bottled it 100% but would not have been enough without the many ref mistakes) but also the aggressive transfer approach on Verratti with the attitude it was only natural for a player of this talent to leave and we should thank them
Now the tables have turned, Neymar and Messi at PSG. and PSG eliminated Barca this year in Champions league
Yes PSG hasn't won the champions league yet. And yes it's all thanks to oil money. So what? Would you refuse it for the Barca?
I would just have prefered PSG to focus more on french player (Kante, Varane, Camavinga, Pogba etc) to have the core of the French NT like Bayern in Germany
why do everybody talk without knowing a sh** about anything? it is astonishing.
what is his "real market value"?
lower salary? he is a juvenile and he has been offered 2 million euros per year! 4 times his current salary!!! a spot in the main squad and a lot of minutes (as he started to have at the end of the last season), but that is not enough for him. he wants more money and he hasn't played 1000 minutes with the 1st team!
he has told the team that he prefers to stay in the bench the whole year (he will not play a single minute if he stays without renewing) and leave for free than bringing and offer this very year!
he just want money and he doesn't care to play a single minute! and he is 18!
wtf are you talking about????
between you and people like you, i don't know what's wrong with society.
I'm glad to hear that
I know PSG fans hated Barça not only for the remontada (PSG bottled it 100% but would not have been enough without the many ref mistakes) but also the aggressive transfer approach on Verratti with the attitude it was only natural for a player of this talent to leave and we should thank them
Now the tables have turned, Neymar and Messi at PSG. and PSG eliminated Barca this year in Champions league
Yes PSG hasn't won the champions league yet. And yes it's all thanks to oil money. So what? Would you refuse it for the Barca?
I would just have prefered PSG to focus more on french player (Kante, Varane, Camavinga, Pogba etc) to have the core of the French NT like Bayern in Germany
your president also hates Barça because all the Qatar Foundation/Qatar Airways stuff and the fact that Barça decided to drop it from the shirt. it comes from the top management. barça made an error helping to whitening a dictatorship (thank you rosell-bartomeu as usual) and it didn't end well.
and yes, i would refuse it for barça. i don't want an oil dictatorship buying the club. barça is owned by the fans and if it is sold to a corporation (let alone a dictatorship) would be a total disgrace. i would prefer not winning a single title in a decade.
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He is dealing with more than a club and should know his place.
I see in the Athletic that Umtiti, Braithwaite and Pjanic were jeered every time they touched the ball at a recent open training session. I wonder are they despicable people as well?
Does anybody know the actual numbers involved with Barca's financial predicament? I see that wages were 110% of revenue with Messi, and are 95% without him, but what does that mean in real terms? How much more do they need to clear off the wage bill (or generate in transfer fees) to get under the La Liga 70% threshhold?
How far would a 50m bid for De Jong and the freeing up of his wages go to that end?
Does anybody know the actual numbers involved with Barca's financial predicament? I see that wages were 110% of revenue with Messi, and are 95% without him, but what does that mean in real terms? How much more do they need to clear off the wage bill (or generate in transfer fees) to get under the La Liga 70% threshhold?
How far would a 50m bid for De Jong and the freeing up of his wages go to that end?
We need to get 200M off the books