Not Ronaldo
Bale.... or Willian
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I agree with some of what you say then you contradict yourself at the end saying no to Mahrez but yes to Bale and Ronnie. I agree we were relying on individual brilliance this season. Much of that was down to lack of support and running in behind from our full backs so our attack could get one on one situations. This did not happen much so our attackers were doubled up on and it was even worse with Mata as teams know he checks back (and let him it allows teams to filter back into shape). It’s the one clear thing when you sit in OT for me you can see who understands football and who doesn’t. You see half the crowd sigh as it has allowed the other team back and killed our other attackers yet the other half of the fans clap because he’s played a square good looking 30-40 yard pass to the left side where the opposing team have us doubled up as they don’t have to double up as much on the right attack. It’s just so wrong on many levels. Oh and Willian is a serious upgrade on Lingard in virtually all aspects this argument went on with Gibson, Cleverely and even Herrera was meant to be a better 6 than Matic (hope that’s been put to bed).
As back up to Lukaku
Bale.
Rashford will swim or sink and he’ll get enough chances. It’s not up to United to get Rashford up to greatness it’s up to Rashford to show he merits a game or a start and often this season he hasn’t. Mata needs to be kept away form right attack end off.
i'd be greatful for Bale or Willian, I'd prefer Willian, they are a year in age apart.
I'd love Ronaldo to don a United shirt for a few seasons, then retire, but that's purely the child talking. (Same one that told Persie to come united)
I'd love Ronaldo to don a United shirt for a few seasons, then retire, but that's purely the child talking. (Same one that told Persie to come united)
Ronaldo's attention seeking is really off the scale. His threats to leave RM were entirely designed to pull attention away from Bale and back on to himself. Of course, he succeeded. On the Marca website, of the 10 most popular articles, SEVEN were about Ronaldo (who was really just a bit player in the final) and none about Bale even though in any normal world, Bale would be getting huge plaudits.
I loved Ronaldo when he was here but I don't think I can cope with having a second person at this club who is looking a bit past it and who seems to want to turn everything into an ego-driven circus.
I am certain that Bale will leave RM in the summer (take a look at the pictures of the team celebrations in Madrid yesterday if you are in any doubt) and I would be happy to have him here.
I loved Ronaldo when he was here but I don't think I can cope with having a second person at this club who is looking a bit past it and who seems to want to turn everything into an ego-driven circus.
I am certain that Bale will leave RM in the summer (take a look at the pictures of the team celebrations in Madrid yesterday if you are in any doubt) and I would be happy to have him here.
Willian for RM and Bale for LB, as I hear he's good there.
Bale as 10, Gelson Martins as RW
Willian and Ronaldo are too old.
Willian and Ronaldo are too old.
You're having a laugh aren't you?
But of course, mate.
Getting 2 out of the three is unrealistic and not really needed.
We need 2 full backs, a ball playing CB and a midfielder. We might get another attacker but two makes no sense.
We need 2 full backs, a ball playing CB and a midfielder. We might get another attacker but two makes no sense.
Bale. If not him, Willian. Think the Ronaldo ship has sailed at this point, it wouldn't make sense.
Out of the three would have to be Bale, but depends how Mourinho wants to play next season. Bale will not be tracking back
For our needs right now it's fit Bale > Willian > unfit bale > CR7. If we think Bale will be injured too much than Willian is the best option, if we think Bale can still contribute a solid 40-50 games a season then he might be a better bet if more expensive. Ronaldo is no longer the type of player we require.
Not Ronaldo!!
None of the above.
Obviously Bale is a class act but he will have seen the criticism that Jones gets on here for being injured all the time.
Obviously Bale is a class act but he will have seen the criticism that Jones gets on here for being injured all the time.
Willian is the only one of the three who hasn't seen age or injuries catch up with him, and I'd imagine he has more miles left in his legs. An easy choice for me.
Preferably none of the above. Bale if it has to be one of them.
Willian all day long. Bale is a walking sicknote and, as much as I love Ronaldo, he is too old and would fall out with Jose the day after he signed.
Cam you imagine him standing there waiting for a pass? Arms in the air and chunnering under his breath. Nah, Willian is younger and knows Jose and his ways.
Cam you imagine him standing there waiting for a pass? Arms in the air and chunnering under his breath. Nah, Willian is younger and knows Jose and his ways.
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For the type of team we seem to be building then Willian - he doesn’t have the height of the other two of course, but his work-rate to help us kill/see-out games where we have a slender lead would make him the better fit I think.
Willian doesn't even belong in the same breath as the other two.
Willian is crap, no way I would want him. Ronaldo is starting to age, Bale has injury problems.
Of the three I would take Bale tbh.
Of the three I would take Bale tbh.
I would take Willian. Bale is Injury prone. Ronaldo is getting on now and is not influencing games as he used to.
All three. Two of them can fill in as fullbacks.
In all seriousness, Gareth Bale of course.
In all seriousness, Gareth Bale of course.
You can slide the Willian bit in at the end but that doesn't make it so
, and Herrera is a different type of CM to Matic so I don't get where that argument even had any purpose personally. As for Mahrez, I'm not sure how I contradicted myself, he's a decent PL player with flaky attitude, nowhere near the level of Bale and Ronaldo. As for the fullbacks, I agree they have been an issue but their lack of running in behind is often down to instructions, I mean do you think Valencia and Young choose not to go on the overlap? I find that hard to believe as it's natural for both to want to get into the final 3rd. I agree on Mata being frustrating but again is his choice on the ball down to his lack of pace to drive or down to what he is being told to do? I just go back to the game with McTominay playing square and the crowd very audibly groaning, when Mourinho said it was the right choice to be cautious and just keep the ball. In truth it's very difficult to evaluate our current attacking players under the current regime at United as the team isn't geared towards attack.If we are to have any hopes of reeling City in next season, which is a monumental task any way you slice it, we need proven match winners of Gareth Bale's calibre. We cannot rely on the likes of Martial, Rashford, Lingard etc to produce on a consistent basis, they are either not ready for the responsibility or worse still simply not good enough.
One of our main issues last season was the team looking rather toothless in attack. A front 3 of Sanchez, Lukaku and Bale performing at their very best would go a long way to remedying that issue and furthermore, they are good enough to compete with any forward line on the planet. We should be moving mountains to make this a reality.
One of our main issues last season was the team looking rather toothless in attack. A front 3 of Sanchez, Lukaku and Bale performing at their very best would go a long way to remedying that issue and furthermore, they are good enough to compete with any forward line on the planet. We should be moving mountains to make this a reality.
You can slide the Willian bit in at the end but that doesn't make it so
You put too much down to Jose instructions it’s not even feasible that he can tell what his two full backs to not to overlap. It’s a factor for both Valencia who cannot cross a ball (he constantly threatens to take a man on and plays it backwards) then Young who likes to favour his right foot. So it’s pretty obvious it’s them and not the managers instructions. Plus at their age the thought is from them to save their legs rather than expunge energy. I’ve not dropped Willian in he’s a really good player and would be a massive upgrade on Mata and Lingard. If you think our manager tells our players these instructions then you are way off the mark. The Mctominay instance Jose was spot on so that’s pointless bringing that up. In truth as you say I disagree with you it’s easy to see and judge our attack guys like Mata and Lingard are not going to hurt anyone nowadays they are powder puff players. We need to up the quality in these positions end off for me Devil.
Plus two full backs and I’d agree with you.
Willian as RW and Bale in the number 10 position would be amazing.
Without killing the thread, I'd be fairly surprised if we got any of the three!
Whilst they are all really good footballers, I think our money would be better spent elsewhere.
Ronaldo on a free, like we got Zlatan, would be though. Maybe next year
Ronaldo on a free, like we got Zlatan, would be
though. Maybe next year Given we have a manager who has openly admitted to preferring to not have the ball, and who favours playing from underneath to taking games on, I don't think it's a huge leap to suggest he wants his fullbacks to operate with caution a lot of the time, I am sure Valencia and Young's lack of legs these days plays a part as well, but elts not pretend that we don't have a manager who is averse to risk most of the time or as if Valencia and Young would actively disobey instructions if they were being told to overlap. As for the rest, you won't get any argument from me that Lingard and Mata are not good enough, but neither is Willian, if we are going to upgrade it needs to be from the top drawer, we need to step out of a Golf into a Ferrari, not out of the Golf into a mid range BMW.
If we are going to sign someone, let's sign Bale and give him the right flank. But that's about it really... not interested in Ronaldo, he can stay at Real Madrid, and not interested in William who's a Chelsea guy. We need an iconic British to be one of the stars of the club.
How did you see that?
Ronaldo would be great if we had about 4 or 5 creative players feeding him. But we don’t.
Would prefer Bale to William.
Would prefer Bale to William.
Bale has those explosive qualities that can get something special out of seemingly nothing. If he can stay fit. I think we could be a lot more lethal with Sanchez and Bale attacking from wide.
Ronaldo doesn't really fit into our squad any more. He's better as a striker now, the focal point of the attack, and no way do we bench Lukaku. Least likely option, driven more by sentiment I think.
Willian is the more likely of the three, Jose knows and trusts him, he would work hard and give us the width down the right that we really need. He would be cheaper, too. Just wouldn't feel like a very inspired signing.
Ronaldo doesn't really fit into our squad any more. He's better as a striker now, the focal point of the attack, and no way do we bench Lukaku. Least likely option, driven more by sentiment I think.
Willian is the more likely of the three, Jose knows and trusts him, he would work hard and give us the width down the right that we really need. He would be cheaper, too. Just wouldn't feel like a very inspired signing.
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