No problem. Yeah, I do get what you mean. And I agree, it is a bit irritating at times.
Bailly our new pacey Vidic?
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Raw but exceptional potential. Vardy did him once early on but after that barely had a sniff. Quick, strong and confident. He will make a few howlers I'm sure but we'll get a better player at the end of it.
Smalling may be more at risk than Blind with him.
Smalling may be more at risk than Blind with him.
He shld be at the left when pairred with Smalling, I think.
God I hope so. Great defending in footie in some ways is more sexy than the best attack. We need that sense of fearlessness back at United. Haven't seen enough of him yet though to form a strong opinion. For those that have. . Why does he remind you more of a Vidic than e.g. a Rio or Stam?
Haven't read the entire thread but hopefully people aren't going over the top in their praise. He had a good game but certainly showed he can be rash at times and made errors that he shouldn't have. Definitely potential there though.
They are going over the top. Like you, I found him to be too cocky and rash on occasions, and I made the same observation after the Wigan game. Blind, who usually is one being bailed out by his partner, had to bail him out a few times in the game last night.
He does have the raw tools. That pace and strength will be handy in the PL, but he needs a calming partner besides him to lead him through games. Right now he is a tad erratic.
Can Smalling lead him?
So aggressive and fearless when he plays reminds me of Vidic or Stam as you mentioned, not as much Rio he was more composed in my opinion and usually made a calculated decision when to "go for it"
He isnt even close to Vidic skill but I saw something in him that got me all gitty. Maybe because I havent seen that fighting spirit at the club in a while I dont know. But I really liked his presence. A physical defender is always fun to watch.
I always loved when defender dealt out pain. Im not saying play dirty but go in hard, let them feel a presence at the back.
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Like a few other posters, I find him overconfident (just a wee bit) and rash. It's obvious he knows his physical qualities (strength and pace) and he knows he can rely on those qualities to recover should he be made to. It's a dangerous game, that.
I think he's more like Ferdinand than Vidic. Ferdy used to do some stupid things because he knew he was quick enough to recover, and that he was very good with the ball at feet. I will always that one cheeky, smart-arse flick pass to the right back he tried to do which didn't come off. Can't remember the opposition and if the mistake cost us.
Nevertheless I see the potential, and am very excited to see how he progresses under Mourinho.
I think he's more like Ferdinand than Vidic. Ferdy used to do some stupid things because he knew he was quick enough to recover, and that he was very good with the ball at feet. I will always that one cheeky, smart-arse flick pass to the right back he tried to do which didn't come off. Can't remember the opposition and if the mistake cost us.
Nevertheless I see the potential, and am very excited to see how he progresses under Mourinho.
First time I saw him in action and I was quite impressed. Looked rash at times but showed a lot of potential; strong, great leap/header, knows how to tackle and can pass the ball out of defence.
Early days though, he still has a lot of tests to pass before coming anywhere near Vidic.
Early days though, he still has a lot of tests to pass before coming anywhere near Vidic.
I suppose all fans of big clubs are just wetting themselves at the start of the season hoping that expensive new signings will be the answer to last years weaknesses.
Rewind 1 and 2 years on here and all of the new guys were being hailed as the new "this", the best "that".
If you end the season with more Martials than Depays you've done OK.
Last 2 years have not gone well for United's newcomers as a group but the new toys still shine brightly at the moment.
His game is for now only based on speed and raw power. He tried to bullied once or twice his oppenents and made silly fouls here and there.
He needs to learn to defend more with his head than his body. I saw interesting things in him, but I would say let's wait a year for him.
I saw lots of errors in his game, but he's still very young and promising. Shame that he's not a leader next to him cause he would have progessed faster
He needs to learn to defend more with his head than his body. I saw interesting things in him, but I would say let's wait a year for him.
I saw lots of errors in his game, but he's still very young and promising. Shame that he's not a leader next to him cause he would have progessed faster
How did you get that? Rash and a bit too eager to win every ball/tackle but how is that arrogant?
Will get better and better with more games. I love the physical part of his game where he gave nothing away.
Work in progress. He's flaws are quite obvious but he also has a lot of potential which I'm sure Jose will exploit. And he's very fast
Steady on. He had a very good game, but there are bigger challenges ahead here. I agree its obvious he has raw ability and potential, but he needs time to develop into a premier league player.
This, pretty much.
When we signed him a lot of people were critical of his passing but it seems decent to me. We'll hopefully see a lot more of that side of his game once he is partnered with Smalling.
Lets judge him in 10/15 games. A lot of us were in admiration of Darmian after the first few games last year.
Bit rash, but that's expected with inexperience. It's always the one big "flaw" with physically superior defenders (see Ramos). They're impatient and it usually ends up with quite a few last ditch tackles needed to cover up their own positional error.
But he's talented for sure. He just needs to develop a bit and I'm sure Jose is the right man for the job. Looking forward to a Bailly/Smalling partnership, with Blind as a very capable backup.
If anything, Bailly could develop into more of a Rio style defender, with Smalling playing the bruiser. Either way, 2 very talented CB's.
But he's talented for sure. He just needs to develop a bit and I'm sure Jose is the right man for the job. Looking forward to a Bailly/Smalling partnership, with Blind as a very capable backup.
If anything, Bailly could develop into more of a Rio style defender, with Smalling playing the bruiser. Either way, 2 very talented CB's.
There was a moment in the 2nd half where Bailly was chasing a ball back towards his own byline with Vardy in pursuit. Bailly wins it, but instead of clearing, he dinked it over Vardy's head and played on. It was great to watch, but there was an air of arrogance about it, and could have been costly on another day. It reminded me of the derby when Rio tried a scooped pass, made a bollocks of it and Bellamy picked it up and equalised. Centre backs showboating is playing with fire.
That's the only thing I can think of from yesterday though. My stream was shite so I might have missed more
Yeah I remember that. Maybe a touch of arrogance. Not a bad thing though.
I think he'll learn the hard way about some of the mistakes, but he doesn't sh*t the bed like Jones would there and looks to recover, and then keep the ball. He looks bloody promising at 22, didn't look out of place at all against one of the most effective strikers last year.
I agree. Confidence shouldn't be held against a footballer. Especially after last season when almost every player was sapped of it.
There were probably better ways to handle that particular ball, but can't fault his ability to try it. Arrogance is only really a negative if things start to go wrong. I guess we will see if his risky style of play costs us.
At least we know he isn't scared of playing at a big club like ours. missed the match but encouraged by the comments here and the video posted. He does seem to be an athletic guy, but my main worry is that he didn't show much passing ability to be honest. If he wants to form a partnership with Smalling, we would need him to improve on that aspect as Smalling himself is not great at it.
Bit of a snap judgement,
Lets see how he does when we are being bombarded with long balls and the pressure is heavily being applied.
He looks promising, combative and powerful but the more wiley of the league will have him off the pitch within the first half of games.
That said his passing, composure, speed and willingness are very very promising and I can definitely see a high level defender in there, he will learn the hard way that this league is full of people exploiting any weakness and getting players sent off by being "weak on the ball" is not beyond anyone to be honest.
He will have his rude awakening at some point but he will be fantastic in the future, certainly better than Jones or Rojo.
Lets see how he does when we are being bombarded with long balls and the pressure is heavily being applied.
He looks promising, combative and powerful but the more wiley of the league will have him off the pitch within the first half of games.
That said his passing, composure, speed and willingness are very very promising and I can definitely see a high level defender in there, he will learn the hard way that this league is full of people exploiting any weakness and getting players sent off by being "weak on the ball" is not beyond anyone to be honest.
He will have his rude awakening at some point but he will be fantastic in the future, certainly better than Jones or Rojo.
Bailly will compete with Varane as the best CB in world football for the next decade.
DDG, Bailly, Pogba and Rashford will be our spine for the next 5 years.
Good times ahead.
DDG, Bailly, Pogba and Rashford will be our spine for the next 5 years.
Good times ahead.
Geez, they need a new shield, that one is getting old. On Bailly, he was fantastic yesterday. Great defending. Going to be a legend I am sure.
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Brilliant in the first half.. pertty good in the second. Pundits are saying he got skinned by Vardy: well, Vardy did that to most last season and not sure I even agree that it happened !
Would like to see a gif of that monster double tackle he did in the second half. That was very Nemanja-esque.
His pass after it was even more impressive.
There was also a time just after that when he intercepted the ball, and was aware he had a lot of time, controlled it and played a nice forward pass. I'm not sure Vidic had those qualities
I think Vidic was better on the ball than he got credit for but yeah, Bailly does seem very confident in his ability in possession.
He is a pretty good passer from the little I saw. Obviously not a Rio level but competent. I am sure we can improve that side of his game as well. The most impressive thing was that he is fast as feck. Amazing recovery pace.
Reminds me of good ol Wesley. Especially the way he went into Vardy at times, borderline assault, but 100% legal tackle.
I slightly worry that he will need someone else to help him through games - especially in his first season - and Chris Smalling has a had enough time of helping himself through games half the time.
He showed real potential yesterday. He's still raw and has to learn not to lunge in so much, but he'll soon adapt. He looks a terrific buy.
I still think we need another defender or two. The future of players like Jones, McNair, Rojo and Darmian don't seem secure, and I'd like to see another top defender or two signed. As the squad stands now, the defence is our soft spot.
I still think we need another defender or two. The future of players like Jones, McNair, Rojo and Darmian don't seem secure, and I'd like to see another top defender or two signed. As the squad stands now, the defence is our soft spot.
Future Captain IMO. He did show a bit of cockiness but I interpret it has very good leadership potential. I liked how he directed traffic for the back four and mids. When Smalling or Blind do that it just seems unnatural and that they aren't that sure of themselves. And players were listening to Bailly.
I thought some of his interventions were unorthodox but he did the job, he seemed concentrated. His distribution was crisp, and more importantly "quick". Smalling may provide more aerial cover, and he was good for us last season but you have to ask if he can offer anything a combo of Bailly & Daley does not?
Bailly was the first off the blocks with Blind dovetailing. It makes sens as Bailly is faster/stronger so can even compensate for an error, while Blind has show good movement and intelligence to cover the breach, which falls within his qualities.
With game time, I can really see the pairing improve and propose and strong, fast, calming presence for the rest of the players.
Bailly was the first off the blocks with Blind dovetailing. It makes sens as Bailly is faster/stronger so can even compensate for an error, while Blind has show good movement and intelligence to cover the breach, which falls within his qualities.
With game time, I can really see the pairing improve and propose and strong, fast, calming presence for the rest of the players.