Crouch has had some good scoring runs. With England too. Means a lot more than being captain of one of the most underwhelming French sides you will ever see
AVB Confirms Interest In Damaio And Willian
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Crouch has had some good scoring runs. With England too. Means a lot more than being captain of one of the most underwhelming French sides you will ever see
Where on earth did I suggest that?
I said that none of us know whether or not you actually put in a bid or not, or were planning to. You may have been considering it but didn't want to go above a certain price. You may have thought that he was utter shit. I don't know.
And as you yourself say, you can be 'monitoring' someone without putting in a bid for him.
I remember loads of your fans denying that you could have bid for Bale because if you had, he would definitely have chosen you until Ferguson came out himself and said it.
I disagree. I fully expect top clubs to go for Willian if hes available, Chelsea for sure and probably an Italian club or two. Spurs didnt beat these kinds of clubs to those players and theres a reason for that, they arent the same profile. They were former prospects and people that were forgotten about in the cases of Adebayor and VDV. Modric was probably the most impressive signing but the only club being linked with him a lot were Arsenal and Wenger had said he was too small for this league. Still I'd say thats most impressive because he was playing really good stuff for Croatia and was moving for a sizable figure unlike Berbatov.
No.
If we didnt sign Dembele after he put in 2 masterclasses in midfield against us, I think its pretty certain we werent interested. And you can also tell we werent interested by the fact Spurs didnt have to pay £25 million to sign him
VDV? What, when?
Not that it's important, but you had to laugh
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/28/tottenham-rafael-van-der-vaart
I didn't say we had sustainable evidence beyond all doubt, but you can find multiple sources saying we have been after both and not just during one season, it seems VDV there were rumours before he was at Spurs, and during.
Dembele, I think that is a fair assumption, however you even said put in 2 masterclass performances against us, surely not a player you would consider that much beneath Willian in terms of ability? Anyway, just didn't want you to think I was saying things on a whim.
Chelsea are gonna buy every attacking player in the world at this rate.
Poor Spurs; it's a shame they're gonna have to miss out.
And how do you happen to know there was no one else in for Modric other than Arsenal? Arsenal were also interested in Vertonghen and Spurs got him a well. Sandro must have had lots of interest in him after his performances for Internacional but it was Spurs again who nabbed him. Willian might be a quality player but 6 good games in the champions league will not suddenly make him the most wanted player in Europe. Spurs might not get him but you seem to imply that they have no chance of getting him which I don't agree with
I'm not twisting anything. I am not saying that those players were at the highest point in their careers. I'm not saying that there was a huge deluge of clubs competing for their signatures. What I am saying is that to suggest there is two levels of player with those two and Willian and that Willian is actually the one in the higher tier is hilarious, especially when you've watched him a grand total of 6 times.
Also ironic your calling the French squad one of the most underwhelming you'll ever see, particularly when you see the Brazil squads that 2 cap 24 year old Willian has continually missed out on. Politics or no politics. I wonder how much political clout Spurs have in the Brazilian national team?
And the good old joke of the fans of the 'bigger' club. Genius. Just as well he wasn't still at Lyon this season, he would have had no idea who any of our players were when we faced them in the EL. We'd have scoring left, right and centre with our little known players.
Listen to yourself for a minute. You are saying that we may have wanted Dembele but we allowed him to go to Spurs for £15 million
Thats a midfielder that we actually wanted and not wanting to pay £15 million for him. Crazy idea.
Bale yeah I'm sure were were interested, but because Evra was playing well its not like he would have been a priority. The main thing is he's about 20 times the player he was for the Saints. If he was even half as good as he is now when he was in the championship I'm sure we'd have pulled all the stops out to sign him. We clearly didnt and you guys did great to pick him up and help develop him into what he is, one of the very best players in the league. I just think its a completely different circumstance because he was just a youngster in the championship and hes grown so much since then.
Willian on the other hand is 24 and will be one of the hottest players in his position right now due to a great run of games in europe's top competition. I'm almost positive that he'll be thinking of league titles not just playing premier league football and sometimes qualifying for the champions league... where he already plays every season and has been one of the top performers this season
Because apparently the top 4 here, 2 Italian clubs and the spanish 2 can stockpile every single good player on the globe. Every other single player bought or sold without them is simply substandard.
From what the Shaktar chairman said, only 2 clubs were in for him last season. From what he says, Chelsea offered no more than they bought him for, which works out to about 15 million now. Probably because Chelsea already have about 7 players that can play in his positions.
From what Willian says, he is willing to come to either of us.
Not that it's important, but you had to laugh
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/28/tottenham-rafael-van-der-vaart
I didn't say we had sustainable evidence beyond all doubt, but you can find multiple sources saying we have been after both and not just during one season, it seems VDV there were rumours before he was at Spurs, and during.
Dembele, I think that is a fair assumption, however you even said put in 2 masterclass performances against us, surely not a player you would consider that much beneath Willian in terms of ability? Anyway, just didn't want you to think I was saying things on a whim.
As I said I rate Dembele highly. Would have been a good signing as he has been with Spurs. But if he had been one of the top performers in the champions league it would A) prove a lot more and interest a lot more teams and B) cause his fee to be a fair bit more than £15 million, knocking a lot of non top teams out of the running. And Spurs might have been one of them
Have you really only watched him six times?
I'm surprised the Italian clubs and Chelsea weren't lining up to sign Crouch after that tbh.
Wasnt one of the best performers in the competition
About 4 times more than those wanting us to sign Hazard this summer, yes 6 games this season
Can you not understand that Ferguson may want a player but wouldn't be willing to go above a certain price for them? He doesn't need to fervently chase after every single player. Just like with Berbatov. You clearly knew about him. You clearly bid for him. But you were 'willing' (ie you weren't going to bid 20 million just to blow us out of the water) to let someone else get him, because you weren't willing to go above a certain amount for him. Could have been the same for Dembele. Again, we are dealing in the hypotheticals because none of us work for Man utd.
You do realise that most clubs wouldn't base their scouting decisions on 6 games in one season right? And if two clubs like Chelsea and us already knew about him in the summer, all these other clubs would have known as well. This isn't anything new for them.
Really? Scored and assisted more than Willian has in the group stages so far.
I dont think you understand the situation with United and signing central midfielders. We dont do it. Despite nearly everyone agreeing we should have signed one at some point in the last couple of years. We dont sign central midfielders, we want to play Scholes and Giggs there until they cant stand without help.
So the idea that we decided Dembele is the man to finally sign and then said actually, lets not when we found out he cost £15 million is crazy. We paid more than that for Carrick and Hargreaves, let alone this special, mythical player that Sir Alex is going to finally decide is a better option than Scholes or Giggs in CM.
He's clearly a quality player and was at Fulham too, but for whatever reason we clearly didnt want to sign him. Same with Modric and others
Are you seriously comparing a target man striker with a winger?
Or again, as I said, Ferguson perhaps thought he would have been an option as a squad player but only for a certain price. I didn't say that Dembele is this special mythical player.
You paid almost as much for Bebe as you would have done initially for Berbatov but this didn't seem to stop you from not failing to bid a higher amount.
No, I'm just surprised that in a season where the only players who scored or assisted more than him in the CL were Messi, Eto'o, Gomez, Anelka and Ronaldo (and I believe 4 of those played more games than him), he wasn't agitating to leave little old Tottenham and the better clubs weren't lining up to take him away.
You didnt outbid us for Berbatov did you? Pretty sure we wanted him at the same price, but he himself decided you were more serious about your offer because we were being slow about things. This sort of rings true because if we were 100% about signing him we wouldnt have let the player feel that way and we wouldnt have taken so long to get our asses in gear about it. But still facts are facts we both wanted him and he chose Spurs
Maybe because there were much better strikers around than Peter Crouch, unlike Willian who has shown against some of the stronger teams in europe that hes one of the better wingers around and certainly one of the only ones not already at a top club
Can't be bothered to read the ins and outs of the discussion but there's no question Spurs can attract either of them.
- Look at the table, Spurs looking good value for a CL spot (no Brazilian would know they tend to collapse once it becomes a realistic prospect).
- Watch them play, looks like a good side for an attacking player.
- Go to their stadium, brilliant atmosphere and passionate fans.
- Look at their track record developing players, excellent.
- Look at their manager, dubbed Mourinho mark II, nice chap, not likely to get fired next week as tends to be the case with the likes of Chelsea. Speaks Portuguese.
If the money is right you would be mad not to join them.
- Look at the table, Spurs looking good value for a CL spot (no Brazilian would know they tend to collapse once it becomes a realistic prospect).
- Watch them play, looks like a good side for an attacking player.
- Go to their stadium, brilliant atmosphere and passionate fans.
- Look at their track record developing players, excellent.
- Look at their manager, dubbed Mourinho mark II, nice chap, not likely to get fired next week as tends to be the case with the likes of Chelsea. Speaks Portuguese.
If the money is right you would be mad not to join them.
But that is what I mean. We got him for 10.5 million or something. We both bid the same. Ferguson clearly decided that this was the limit for him and he was not willing to attempt to price us out by bidding over that amount to get a player he wanted.
Again, I don't actually think you bid for Dembele. But this doesn't mean that you weren't interested or monitoring the situation and I don't think any of us can say definitively either way.
But only 5 strikers in the CL that season outdid Crouch statistically? And Crouch scored against both Inter and AC Milan?
Lennon also got 5 assists in the CL that season btw. I don't think too many people would have gone around after the group stage calling him the best around because most people don't judge how good a player is based on 6 appearances in the CL. They will also look at his league and national team records.
Which is the right way for him to go about things. He shouldn't be throwing money down the gutter to get players ahead of you. If the player chooses you over us that is that.
What are you guys arguing about then?
I agree.
That I don't think any of us can definitively say either way. Which probably isn't enough to be fair to carry on this side argument for as long as it has been carried on.
Very off topic but are you originally from Uruguay antohan? Always wanted to visit there.
I dont think people would care about their international records, just league and champions league. And none of us watch the ukranian league, not sure too many scouts do either
Of course Spurs are the kind of club that can attract those kind of players. You can scratch the likes of Chelsea/City/United/Real/Barce/Bayern/PSG as they are more than stocked in that position or would be looking at a higher profile of player, such as Cavani/Neymar etc.
The next tier down are Arsenal and Spurs and both would be the kind of club these players would be attracted too, dependent on wages. Don't forget that with an extra £30m coming in from TV deals in the next year, Spurs will comfortably be able to compete the likes of Juventus and Milan when it comes to wages.
If they did qualify for the Champions League this year, I'd certainly put them in the top 10 or 15 clubs to play for.
The next tier down are Arsenal and Spurs and both would be the kind of club these players would be attracted too, dependent on wages. Don't forget that with an extra £30m coming in from TV deals in the next year, Spurs will comfortably be able to compete the likes of Juventus and Milan when it comes to wages.
If they did qualify for the Champions League this year, I'd certainly put them in the top 10 or 15 clubs to play for.
I don't agree with that at all, I would say that Modric's performances for Croatia were a big reason why we broke our transfer record for a player that had only played in the Croatian league, as well as the interest that came for him from a lot of other clubs.
Perhaps most clubs don't have scouts stationed there constantly but I'd be pretty angry at Spurs if a club of our size didn't have an idea about most of the players who play in the top European leagues and I would be even more angry if I discovered that we were sniffing around and made a bid for Willian last summer after having only seen him in the CL.
Yes, and based back here for the last couple of years. Spent 20 years or so working abroad, now chilling down and doing occasional project/consulting work.
Performances and records are surely different things? Modric looked great for Croatia and I'm sure that played a part in that deal.
However you were talking about caps earlier in relation to Willian. I dont think that would play any part whatsoever especially with Brazil. However if Spurs watched him in a match for Brazil and were either impressed with his performance or disgusted by it, that would have an effect certainly
Ah, sorry, I understand what you mean with that point. No, that is true, I can't imagine we'd be put off by the fact he only has two caps.
http://fourfourtwo.com/news/england/116899/default.aspx
His latest interview.
As I've said from the beginning, I don't see us signing him because he'll be a £20million+ player and especially once he discovers the disparity in wages offered between us and Chelsea (though again, I'm at a loss as to exactly why they're after him tbh).
But I don't think the idea of us signing him is as ludicrous as you make out. Certainly Willian himself doesn't think so.
Don't rate Leandro that highly at all, but I'd guess Willian would take the piss in the Premier League. I'd take him here in an instant.
I' also confirming my interest in Adriana Lima and Jessica Alba.
Willian was supposed to return to training today to prepare for the second half of the season (which restarts in early March), but is still not in Donetsk.
Shakhtar's manager, Mirca Lucesku, confirms that Taison was bought as Willian's replacement:
I made a separate post about Taison in his own thread earlier.
Shakhtar's manager, Mirca Lucesku, confirms that Taison was bought as Willian's replacement:
I made a separate post about Taison in his own thread earlier.
Internacional name their price.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/27/inter...-leandro-damiao-will-cost-22million-3900806/?
http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/27/inter...-leandro-damiao-will-cost-22million-3900806/?
That isn't much, spurs will snap their hands off.