Sorry Pnut, actually giving this to Zlatan's even though looks more close to a draw than win. Do love that front 4
Auction Draft: Round 1 - P-Nut vs. Zlatan7
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Sorry Pnut, actually giving this to Zlatan's even though looks more close to a draw than win. Do love that front 4
its funny how Redondo and Busquets are always being compared even though they are nothing alike
I disagree, don't think there is a player in my set up that won't operate at their absolute peak here.
Even Maicon has a perfect winger for him to link up with moving away from the front 6, which I don't think can be argued with that the mesh is just about perfect.
By such setups, I meant the not so normal ones like your opponent's. Agree that almost everyone in your team is at peak positions (except Kubala I think whose peak was a lot more Central).
Thanks @GodShaveTheQueen and @Edgar Allan Pillow for taking the time to write your thoughts, very interesting and can see where each of you is coming from.
GSTQ I agree with everything you’ve written and tried putting it across that way, you’ve done it better, cheers
GSTQ I agree with everything you’ve written and tried putting it across that way, you’ve done it better, cheers
Sorry but Socrates and Baggio are going to play through Varane-Pique like they aren't even there. I can't believe Neeskens benched here for Kante. 
Few questions for the managers to get a better idea of their view on the game.
@P-Nut in terms of Eriksen and your two center backs, how do you see them impacting the game against the players they’re up against? All are at the top performers of modern times, but how do you see them specifically performing against the direct opposition here?
@Zlatan 7 how do you see your left hand side operating? With Rivellino and Baggio able to operate in the inside left channels (which I don’t particularly see issue with as they should be able to make it work) but is Azpi the type of left back you’d need to help stretch play and open space for your forwards? If not, how do you see him working out there?
Channeling my inner @Ecstatic here
@P-Nut in terms of Eriksen and your two center backs, how do you see them impacting the game against the players they’re up against? All are at the top performers of modern times, but how do you see them specifically performing against the direct opposition here?
@Zlatan 7 how do you see your left hand side operating? With Rivellino and Baggio able to operate in the inside left channels (which I don’t particularly see issue with as they should be able to make it work) but is Azpi the type of left back you’d need to help stretch play and open space for your forwards? If not, how do you see him working out there?
Channeling my inner @Ecstatic here
Few questions for the managers to get a better idea of their view on the game.
@Zlatan 7 how do you see your left hand side operating? With Rivellino and Baggio able to operate in the inside left channels (which I don’t particularly see issue with as they should be able to make it work) but is Azpi the type of left back you’d need to help stretch play and open space for your forwards? If not, how do you see him working out there?
Channeling my inner @Ecstatic here
As you already say I don’t think there’d be too much trouble getting Baggio and Rivelino to work.
As for Azp, he started out as a striker and made his debut as a winger for Osasuna, he’s pacey and also has a decent pass/cross on him so he has the ability to get down the wing. I think he’d be energetic enough to constantly overlap if we had the possession.
To have Eriksen facing Rijkaard and Busquets, and then Varane and pique defending against my front four. It seems an awful lot is put on Van Basten winning this.
Few questions for the managers to get a better idea of their view on the game.
@P-Nut in terms of Eriksen and your two center backs, how do you see them impacting the game against the players they’re up against? All are at the top performers of modern times, but how do you see them specifically performing against the direct opposition here?
@Zlatan 7 how do you see your left hand side operating? With Rivellino and Baggio able to operate in the inside left channels (which I don’t particularly see issue with as they should be able to make it work) but is Azpi the type of left back you’d need to help stretch play and open space for your forwards? If not, how do you see him working out there?
Channeling my inner @Ecstatic here
Well, my 1st reaction is a draft thread without a video isn't a draft thread
Some videos and then I post
THE #10
Sorry, I k ow compilations can be shown for most players, a few of these show Baggio furthest forward and surviving though
If Neeskens was on the pitch I'd voted for P-nut on the spot. Love that front 5 (bar Eriksen and still Eriksen is excellent in that role, despite not having the best of all time credentials).
On the other hand and given the personnel on show can't look past @Zlatan 7 obvious advantage through the middle.
On the other hand and given the personnel on show can't look past @Zlatan 7 obvious advantage through the middle.
Refreshing to see Eriksen and long time Sócrates o Doutor didn't have a great role.
Kanté instead of Neeskens: surprising and I guess the idea was maybe to have a central back 4 very conservative.
I don't see Baggio as false 9 in this game but rather a deep-lying forward just to be pedantic!
More seriously, Baggio at his prime was ever-moving with a preference for the left side. His games against Dortmund in 92/93 were amongst his greatest ones (youtube videos available). A more advanced striker/forward would have been the welcome but on the other hand it won't be easy for Pnut to keep Roberto under control. Sócrates has very great stats so I imagine he can replace Roberto sometimes close/in the penalty area.
At first sight, Pnut is tactically cleaner but Zlatan is more likely to have the posession.
@Indnyc Could you swap Kubala with Robben to make both team better?
I will take a decision tomorrow morning with a fresh mind, it seems that I will have to choose between Rijkaard and Van Basten
Kanté instead of Neeskens: surprising and I guess the idea was maybe to have a central back 4 very conservative.
I don't see Baggio as false 9 in this game but rather a deep-lying forward just to be pedantic!
More seriously, Baggio at his prime was ever-moving with a preference for the left side. His games against Dortmund in 92/93 were amongst his greatest ones (youtube videos available). A more advanced striker/forward would have been the welcome but on the other hand it won't be easy for Pnut to keep Roberto under control. Sócrates has very great stats so I imagine he can replace Roberto sometimes close/in the penalty area.
At first sight, Pnut is tactically cleaner but Zlatan is more likely to have the posession.
@Indnyc Could you swap Kubala with Robben to make both team better?
I will take a decision tomorrow morning with a fresh mind, it seems that I will have to choose between Rijkaard and Van Basten
Few questions for the managers to get a better idea of their view on the game.
@P-Nut in terms of Eriksen and your two center backs, how do you see them impacting the game against the players they’re up against? All are at the top performers of modern times, but how do you see them specifically performing against the direct opposition here?
@Zlatan 7 how do you see your left hand side operating? With Rivellino and Baggio able to operate in the inside left channels (which I don’t particularly see issue with as they should be able to make it work) but is Azpi the type of left back you’d need to help stretch play and open space for your forwards? If not, how do you see him working out there?
Channeling my inner @Ecstatic here
Pique always gets a tough time, but there's a reason he played for the best side of modern times at their absolute peak. He's got cover for his weakest area in Varane, who for a CB is stupid quick. Obviously I'm not going to argue it's the perfect CB combination, but together they hide quite a few of their weaknesses.
As for Eriksen, I chose to go with him as he can drift wide when required, but can also play defence splitting passes from central areas. He'd have to try and work Busquets much more than Rijkaard, but that's going to be the case even if you put Maradona there, they'd all rather try their luck against Busquets.
Yeah it's a shame I've had to leave him out really, I wanted an opportunity to try something out next round if I was lucky enough to get through and Kante just wouldn't come close to fitting into that.
With pique do you feel he requires a particular style of team to be at his best, as opposed to being seen as a good fit in most set ups as a lot of defenders are? For example, is it his ability on the ball as opposed to his defensive nous that let him thrive there?
Was he on the left or the right? As a left full back required to bomb on and get balls into the box, is he at a disadvantage on the left with a “winger” who would operate mostly inside?
Being right footed I should imagine he started out on the right.
If you mean the winger operating mostly inside as Rivelino, I think Azp would cope with that fine, it would mean that there would be even more open space out there allowing him to cut onto his right to get a better cross in. Baggio would also be drifting into that channel when going forward so there’d be support there. Busquets is also there on the left if Rivelino doesn’t track back.
If you mean the winger operating mostly inside as Rivelino, I think Azp would cope with that fine, it would mean that there would be even more open space out there allowing him to cut onto his right to get a better cross in. Baggio would also be drifting into that channel when going forward so there’d be support there. Busquets is also there on the left if Rivelino doesn’t track back.
Obviously he's best suited in a possession based side where he has to do less defending. However, with the protection he's got around him, that should become minimised, especially with Baggio dropping deeper to get on the ball. He'd probably get roasted in a 2 up top formation, however here he's got a base to allow him to dictate play from deep with no opposition in too close of a vacinity to him.
I'm one of Azpi's biggest fans, picked him several times before and originally picked him before trading with you. However, to expect him to pose any attacking threat at full back you need him on the right.
As you can see he has half the attacking output on the left, and he's hardly played further forward on the left due to it not being his strength. He's best as a defensive full back or on the side of a back 3.
Cheers lads. I’ll tbink about it some more and watch the rest of the discussions. Think both teams have a weak spot in a sense, just depends who’s better equipped to have it effect them less.
@P-Nut fair enough, though doesn’t that show that he’s also played almost half the games at left back which would reflect on his roughly half amount of goals and assists there?
Admittedly he’s played right wing on more occasions, other team things could have affected those times played on whatever wing though.
Admittedly he’s played right wing on more occasions, other team things could have affected those times played on whatever wing though.
Enjoying the discussion here lads. Well played both of you!
He's got a roughly 1 in 6 assist ratio from the right with 1 in 10 from the left. For comparison he's got a 1 in 8 from CB so you've got him in his weakest position; in an attacking sense anyway.
Yeah it's been a good match thread for once. Shame I'll be asleep in the morning so won't find out the result or be able to carry on the discussion tomorrow.
Ok, I’m not doing the maths for it and will take your word for it and accept he would be better at attacking down the right.
He’s still in a decent position to defend from the left and has the ability to run the wing, even if it’s just to pull your defence wider. He’s not a fullback who never crosses the half way line.
This as been a close match, surprised to wake up and see even more votes through the night.
I’d only ever had tuppet vote for me in the 2 newb drafts I did
and he almost got me the win just before he exited the forum. Hope he’s not back getting my hopes up again.
I’d only ever had tuppet vote for me in the 2 newb drafts I did
and he almost got me the win just before he exited the forum. Hope he’s not back getting my hopes up again.This as been a close match, surprised to wake up and see even more votes through the night.
I’d only ever had tuppet vote for me in the 2 newb drafts I did
I think quite a few of my wins were thanks to Tuppet.Thanks.
Good game @P-Nut , I feel quite guilty that I’ve gone through.
I Best get back to the main draft page and read the reinforcement rules
Good game @P-Nut , I feel quite guilty that I’ve gone through.
I Best get back to the main draft page and read the reinforcement rules
Ah that's even worse than penalties
Strange game.
I spent some time yesterday to find a way but didn't:
- Pnut better tactically (consistent) + Van Basten
- Zlatan has a highest # of players I rate + more convinced by the midfield trio
Strangely, the strikerless team can win it.
With Neeskens, the outcome would have been different.
1st game 1st victory for @Zlatan 7 congrats too
I spent some time yesterday to find a way but didn't:
- Pnut better tactically (consistent) + Van Basten
- Zlatan has a highest # of players I rate + more convinced by the midfield trio
Strangely, the strikerless team can win it.
With Neeskens, the outcome would have been different.
1st game 1st victory for @Zlatan 7 congrats too
@Ecstatic thanks bud
Ah that's even worse than penalties
Do post your original idea.
Ah that's even worse than penalties
Yep, please post your original idea
It was a take on the Brazilian magic square.
Next round would have been....
Courtois
Maicon Pique ? Hughes
Neeskens Redondo
? Ronaldinho
Kubala Eusebio
I wanted to swap Van Basten for Eusebio as he wasn't mobile enough to make it work. I think Neeskens and Redondo would have been absolutely perfect for it though.
Pique was picked to fill the shoes of Piazza, a converted midfielder. I wanted someone with an excellent passing range.
Maicon was in place of the all action C.A.Torres, as good a match up as possible without the budget for Cafu.
Hughes took the place of Everaldo in a subdued full back role.
It was the midfield really though that got me wanting to try it out. Redondo/Gerson, Neeskens/Clodoaldo and Ronaldinho/Rivelino were all absolutely perfect fits for me.
Interesting. The magic square is rarely attempted. I can see Eusebio being a good fit as he could drift wide as of course could Kubala.
Yeah exactly, I didn't consider it at first hence picking Van Basten, but when the opportunity came up to get Eusebio it all sort of clicked into place. Shame that it all got messed up there as it cost me Rivera who probably would have won this game for me.
I'm sure it'll happen again at some point.