Aston Villa appoint Unai Emery as manager

Oranges038 said:
Utd fans say ETH spent too much money with 400m in 2 windows.

When he was at Arsenal. They spent over 200m in just over a year. Pepe was 80m of that. 30m for Saliba, Toreira and Tierney. Leno was 25m and Sokratis 16m. He also signed Gendouzi, Luiz and Martinelli for 6-10m. Then 2 or 3 free and loans.

Bit like ETH, spent the money, for the most part it just looks like it was spent badly.
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Pepe was not his choice, he wanted Zaha and got overruled. Saliba was a great buy but of course not really "for him" as he was a few years off having any role for the club. Torreira, Sokratis were Mislintat's work. He got there in the middle of an influence war and pretty much lost all his battles with the higher-ups.
He's a good manager if there's no drama behind the scenes, he was unlucky to arrive at the wrong time.
 
TsuWave said:
I don't know why anyone would scoff at Unai Emery. Better CV than Ten Hag, proven winner - with major trophies under his belt - his team plays really good football, averaging close to 65% possession at home - and even at Arsenal where things went pear-shaped, he still was an Europa runner-up there.

Villa is a headache for anyone to play.
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TsuWave said:
Villa doesn't play defensively. They have exciting wide players, and a technically sound midfield averaging 65% of the ball at home. They have scored 18 in 7. For comparison United has scored 7 in 7. Unai Emery has 4 european trophies, a league title and domestic cups in France.
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TsuWave said:
Emery is one of the best managers in the league.
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TsuWave said:
Just stick a fork in this guy - and bring Emery in
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They called me a madman.

Don Emery :drool:
 
We also finished 5th the season before last. We should have finished 4th under Emery as well but he rested players and got beat at home to Crystal Palace then got beat 3-0 at Leicester the next week. We got 4 points in the final 5 games of the season and missed out on top 4 by 1 point to Spurs.

This is the thing with Emery. I can’t even call him a cup manager, as bar his time at PSG, he’s never won a domestic cup competition, but I would trust Emery in European competition as he seems to have them mastered, and places great importance on them, sometimes to the detriment of the league form. He got Arsenal to Europa League final that season in his only full season, although we were battered in the final by Chelsea, however we collapsed in the league, I don’t think you can afford to do that at the top clubs.

I really like the guy and he’s a really good coach. I just don’t know he’s got that something extra that you need that makes a top club really consistent week in week out. He’s became flavour of the month again because of his headline win over Arsenal, and he’s capable of getting big wins, but let’s not forget he had 1 win in 5 in the league before that, including a 4-0 home defeat to Spurs, 4-1 at City, 1-1 at West Ham and 3-3 at home to Brentford. But he’s had great results in the Conference League, which again backs up my point, that he struggles to juggle competitions, which you might get away with at a Villa or a Sevilla, but that’s not what you aim for at a Man Utd for instance.
 
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awop said:
Pepe was not his choice, he wanted Zaha and got overruled. Saliba was a great buy but of course not really "for him" as he was a few years off having any role for the club. Torreira, Sokratis were Mislintat's work. He got there in the middle of an influence war and pretty much lost all his battles with the higher-ups.
He's a good manager if there's no drama behind the scenes, he was unlucky to arrive at the wrong time.
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I know signings weren't all on him, but to be honest it all sounds an awful lot like ETH at Utd, even though he has seemingly had full control over transfers.

Total mess behind the scenes, he wanted De Jong, got Casemiro. Overpaid for an underperforming winger and signed quite a few players that nobody would really mind if they pissed off.

The only difference is Arsenal gave it a year, sorted out the background installed Edu, brought in Arteta and removed all the rubbish from the squad.

Utd need to do the same, this is why I've been saying a new manager won't change much unless the structures are put in place to build a squad that will grow together over 2 or 3 years and the current squad is gutted in the process.

Like Arsenal, Utd fans just have to be prepared for it to get worse before it gets better.
 
Oranges038 said:
I know signings weren't all on him, but to be honest it all sounds an awful lot like ETH at Utd, even though he has seemingly had full control over transfers.

Total mess behind the scenes, he wanted De Jong, got Casemiro. Overpaid for an underperforming winger and signed quite a few players that nobody would really mind if they pissed off.

The only difference is Arsenal gave it a year, sorted out the background installed Edu, brought in Arteta and removed all the rubbish from the squad.

Utd need to do the same, this is why I've been saying a new manager won't change much unless the structures are put in place to build a squad that will grow together over 2 or 3 years and the current squad is gutted in the process.

Like Arsenal, Utd fans just have to be prepared for it to get worse before it gets better.
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What you're essentially saying is Ten Hag should be given 4-5 years in total regardless of his own performance as manager and regardless of seeing literally no progress (the opposite of the club and manager you're comparing the situation to)

Also this is an Emery thread, which coincidently is another good example of how an actual good, competent manager can make a big difference to team performance, irrespective of structure, blind faith or other external factors
 
We should be looking at him
 
izak said:
We should be looking at him
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I’d rather him than Potter or De Zerbi. But I’d also rather give Ten Hag more time than get him. If we can’t get anyone better than the names being branded about (which I don’t believe is true) then it’ll be counter productive

Done very well at Villa
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I’d rather him than Potter or De Zerbi. But I’d also rather give Ten Hag more time than get him. If we can’t get anyone better than the names being branded about (which I don’t believe is true) then it’ll be counter productive

Done very well at Villa
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Is this his first season at villa?
 
Oranges038 said:
Utd fans say ETH spent too much money with 400m in 2 windows.

When he was at Arsenal. They spent over 200m in just over a year. Pepe was 80m of that. 30m for Saliba, Toreira and Tierney. Leno was 25m and Sokratis 16m. He also signed Gendouzi, Luiz and Martinelli for 6-10m. Then 2 or 3 free and loans.

Bit like ETH, spent the money, for the most part it just looks like it was spent badly.
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He didn't want him, he wanted Zaha. Saliba has turned out to be a good signing and so was Martinelli.
Its moot though, because he didn't really pick the signings.

The issue at Arsenal was they needed to turnover the squad, the current squad has only 2 players from when Emery was there Martinelli and Saliba, the latter Emery didn't have the pleasure of managing.

Arsenal fans were impatient and blamed him for the issues. Arteta also struggled during the period where the squad was being turned over (Arsenal fans also called for his head), they have a good manager now but importantly a very good squad.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
What you're essentially saying is Ten Hag should be given 4-5 years in total regardless of his own performance as manager and regardless of seeing literally no progress (the opposite of the club and manager you're comparing the situation to)

Also this is an Emery thread, which coincidently is another good example of how an actual good, competent manager can make a big difference to team performance, irrespective of structure, blind faith or other external factors
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Not what I've said at all.

Oranges038 said:
The only difference is Arsenal gave it a year, sorted out the background installed Edu, brought in Arteta and removed all the rubbish from the squad.

Utd need to do the same, this is why I've been saying a new manager won't change much unless the structures are put in place to build a squad that will grow together over 2 or 3 years and the current squad is gutted in the process.

Like Arsenal, Utd fans just have to be prepared for it to get worse before it gets better.
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Emery was a disaster under a shambles at Arsenal.

ETH has been a disaster under a shambles at Utd.

Amazing how a manager can fail badly if the club around him is a mess. ETH is probably gone, I think he knows it. He can have no complaints, but saying that Utd need to do what Arsenal have done equates to me saying he
should be given another 5 years?

That's quite the leap.


Cassidy said:
He didn't want him, he wanted Zaha. Saliba has turned out to be a good signing and so was Martinelli.
Its moot though, because he didn't really pick the signings.

The issue at Arsenal was they needed to turnover the squad, the current squad has only 2 players from when Emery was there Martinelli and Saliba, the latter Emery didn't have the pleasure of managing.

Arsenal fans were impatient and blamed him for the issues. Arteta also struggled during the period where the squad was being turned over (Arsenal fans also called for his head), they have a good manager now but importantly a very good squad.
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Already addressed that.
 
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I think Emery would be «my» first choice too based on a «superficial review». Considering the lack of a obvious choice I think PL-proven matters. I say superficial as I know very little about his demands and if he would be ok with working under the new structure. Furthermore, hard to know if he would actually be interested in leaving Villa at this point.

He is not perfect, but he is really, really good.
 
Good for Villa and I guess good for Emery. I thought he'd want at least one more shot at a "big" club. I guess he felt he wouldn't get serious consideration for pool or possibly United, so he decided to stay with Villa. He's still young for a manager though, so plenty of time to move up.
 
Mm that's a shame, literally the only gettable manager I'm halfway interested in us having at the moment.
 
Not sure why anyone wants him here anyway. He can win a Europa League and could take us to top 4. Big deal! He wouldn't make us any better than we were last season.
 
Oranges038 said:
Utd fans say ETH spent too much money with 400m in 2 windows.

When he was at Arsenal. They spent over 200m in just over a year. Pepe was 80m of that. 30m for Saliba, Toreira and Tierney. Leno was 25m and Sokratis 16m. He also signed Gendouzi, Luiz and Martinelli for 6-10m. Then 2 or 3 free and loans.

Bit like ETH, spent the money, for the most part it just looks like it was spent badly.
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Shows you the impact of a useless football structure as well. Sure, managers take their fair share of blame but they shouldn’t truly be allowed so much control in the first place. I look at that Antony signing for us and I’m probably more peeved at Arnold/Murtough for allowing it, then I am at EtH for wanting him.
 
Good for both himself and Villa. Villa will probably qualify for CL next season and will probably have more budget to improve the squad for Emery.
 
Acrobat7 said:
I had a bit of hope of him going to Bayern. Meh
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It was clear from the beginning, this would never have happened. Emery has the total control at Villa. He brought an all Spanish team of coaches as well as the DOF and recruitment manager to the club.

He would never have gotten this much power at Bayern.
 
He has a history of spectacularly bottling things. Would be a shame if he lets it slip to allows spurs to get top 4.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
:lol:

Incredibly ridiculous claim.
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Bottled top 4 with Arsenal in 2018-19 by losing 4 out of the last 7 games (We only needed 2 more points to get top 4)
Imploding against Chelsea in the EL final 2018-19 to lose 4-1
Bottling a 2-0 lead against one of the worst Man Utd sides to lose 3-2
Letting a 2-0 lead slip and almost letting them win against a Chelsea side that just lost 5-0
Letting a 4-0 lead slip against Barca to lose 6-1 at the Camp Nou...

As an Arsenal fan I hope he doesn't let it slip.
 
His style of play makes his teams slip up quite a lot. He’s let a 2-0 lead go a couple of times this season. Seems like he only has 1 way and isn’t very flexible. And we can’t forget about the 4-0 lead with PSG he let slip to Barca in the CL.
 
mathrait said:
Bottled top 4 with Arsenal in 2018-19 by losing 4 out of the last 7 games (We only needed 2 more points to get top 4)
Imploding against Chelsea in the EL final 2018-19 to lose 4-1
Bottling a 2-0 lead against one of the worst Man Utd sides to lose 3-2
Letting a 2-0 lead slip and almost letting them win against a Chelsea side that just lost 5-0
Letting a 4-0 lead slip against Barca to lose 6-1 at the Camp Nou...

As an Arsenal fan I hope he doesn't let it slip.
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Like Arteta?

Bottled top 4 in 2021-22, 4 point lead ahead of 5th placed team and lost games on Week 36 and 37 to bottle it.
Lost 1-0 to Southampton in FA cup.
Lost 3-2 to one of the worst ManUtd team under Ralf/Ole
Lost to Nottingham forest in FA cup
After drawing 0-0 away to Liverpool in league cup semi finals, lost 2-0 to them at home.

8 point lead at top of the table then drew 3 games on trot, even more shocking is they bottled 2-0 lead to draw 2-2 vs Liverpool and West Ham. Then bottled against Southampton at home drawing 3-3. Following that up by losing 3 out of 6 league games.
Draw 2-2 in away game vs Sporting only to be Knocked out at home.
Also bottled FA cup at home vs Liverpool who played weaker team vs your strong team.

So is Arteta bottler too?
 
roonster09 said:
Like Arteta?

Bottled top 4 in 2021-22, 4 point lead ahead of 5th placed team and lost games on Week 36 and 37 to bottle it.
Lost 1-0 to Southampton in FA cup.
Lost 3-2 to one of the worst ManUtd team under Ralf/Ole
Lost to Nottingham forest in FA cup
After drawing 0-0 away to Liverpool in league cup semi finals, lost 2-0 to them at home.

8 point lead at top of the table then drew 3 games on trot, even more shocking is they bottled 2-0 lead to draw 2-2 vs Liverpool and West Ham. Then bottled against Southampton at home drawing 3-3. Following that up by losing 3 out of 6 league games.
Draw 2-2 in away game vs Sporting only to be Knocked out at home.
Also bottled FA cup at home vs Liverpool who played weaker team vs your strong team.

So is Arteta bottler too?
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You're really reaching with these examples.
 
roonster09 said:
Like Arteta?

Bottled top 4 in 2021-22, 4 point lead ahead of 5th placed team and lost games on Week 36 and 37 to bottle it.
Lost 1-0 to Southampton in FA cup.
Lost 3-2 to one of the worst ManUtd team under Ralf/Ole
Lost to Nottingham forest in FA cup
After drawing 0-0 away to Liverpool in league cup semi finals, lost 2-0 to them at home.

8 point lead at top of the table then drew 3 games on trot, even more shocking is they bottled 2-0 lead to draw 2-2 vs Liverpool and West Ham. Then bottled against Southampton at home drawing 3-3. Following that up by losing 3 out of 6 league games.
Draw 2-2 in away game vs Sporting only to be Knocked out at home.
Also bottled FA cup at home vs Liverpool who played weaker team vs your strong team.

So is Arteta bottler too?
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all excellent examples
 
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