At the moment? I think he can never be good enough to play for United unless he comes here on a free transfer maybe.
Ashley young or alexis sanchez
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At the moment? I think he can never be good enough to play for United unless he comes here on a free transfer maybe.
Reckon we should close this one too
Sanchez is still a vastly superior talent, trouble is we couldn't afford him whereas we got Young for half the price.
And he's English, which seems to be a factor given our transfers so far this summer
To be honest I think N'Zogbia might have been a better option than Young but I still think he will be a very good addition and always have thought that
Sanchez, of course.
But looking at the wingers we already have and need to strengthen another certain area, Young for 15m over 30-40m for Sanchez, easily.
But looking at the wingers we already have and need to strengthen another certain area, Young for 15m over 30-40m for Sanchez, easily.
Reckon we should close this one too
It doesn't prove anything unless these posters have suddenly changed their opinion after he has signed for us.
Jesus, I was only messing. Do you have to take everything so seriously?
How the feck do you know that sarni? Boring.
I think Sanchez is the better player of the two but having to chose between Young at 11m and Sanchez at 30m, I ll definitely go for Young.
What about Young at £16-17m then?
Because Udinese are holding out for a better Barcelona bid when they've already bid circa £30m, and I don't think we're going to spend around £100m in the Summer which would probably be necessary if we're still going to get a recognized midfielder?
How is it controversial to say that we probably couldn't spend £35m on a winger this Summer having already spent £40m on a defender and a goalkeeper and probably still need a midfielder to go with it?
I'll revisit this thread after a season.To see who got the better buy.
Don't know...most probably I ll still go for Young, considering that paying 30m for a player does not give you any guarantee that he ll be a success. Not to mention that Sanchez never played in the EPL
It's not particularly controversial but you say it with such certainty...you were a bit off with your Chelsea transfer market/finance and I think you admitted your surprise at Jones' transfer, yet you come across knowing more about how much money clubs will or won't spend than most.
Sanchez is a great talent who have taking a huge step forward in his last season. I saw him two seasons ago and at that time he didn't had the self confidence and the quick movements he has today. In the last WC he was Chile's outstanding player and it was quite easy to see he had something special.
He plays with a low body position who give's him great balance and he change direction with full control of the ball. His vision is great and he sometimes produce spectacular passes.
As far as I can see, which is approx 5-6 matches with Udinese this season, his downside is his end product. To often he goes for the Hollywood pass or try to do to much on his own. He sometimes loose possession way to easy. It can sometimes be frustrating to watch him try to win matches by himself. His off the ball movement has also a lot to improve. it's difficult to judge on the telly but it doesn't look like he's a defensive monster.
He will probably improve this with experience but if he ends up in Barcelona he will have to change attitude. If he continue to loose possession like he sometimes did last season he will find it hard to nail a starting place ahead of Pedro or Villa.
To be honest I think he will do better in La Liga then in the PL. In my opinion he's not worth twice as much as Young, no way. He can become a huge star but at the same time he come's to a team with ONE superstar and lot's of world class players. Remember when Ibra started to play for the Catalans, it not easy to outshine Messi and if you don't deliver or fit in with the tight group of home grown stars you are sooner or later in trouble.
I'm 100% sure that we did the right move and opted for Ashley Young. Not so spectacular but a good team player with a great end product, for half of the price. That together he's English and will adapt faster and don't have a desire to move abroad make this like the smartest move.
Future will tell but maybe all involved did the right choice.
He plays with a low body position who give's him great balance and he change direction with full control of the ball. His vision is great and he sometimes produce spectacular passes.
As far as I can see, which is approx 5-6 matches with Udinese this season, his downside is his end product. To often he goes for the Hollywood pass or try to do to much on his own. He sometimes loose possession way to easy. It can sometimes be frustrating to watch him try to win matches by himself. His off the ball movement has also a lot to improve. it's difficult to judge on the telly but it doesn't look like he's a defensive monster.
He will probably improve this with experience but if he ends up in Barcelona he will have to change attitude. If he continue to loose possession like he sometimes did last season he will find it hard to nail a starting place ahead of Pedro or Villa.
To be honest I think he will do better in La Liga then in the PL. In my opinion he's not worth twice as much as Young, no way. He can become a huge star but at the same time he come's to a team with ONE superstar and lot's of world class players. Remember when Ibra started to play for the Catalans, it not easy to outshine Messi and if you don't deliver or fit in with the tight group of home grown stars you are sooner or later in trouble.
I'm 100% sure that we did the right move and opted for Ashley Young. Not so spectacular but a good team player with a great end product, for half of the price. That together he's English and will adapt faster and don't have a desire to move abroad make this like the smartest move.
Future will tell but maybe all involved did the right choice.
Good post mate, well thought out and difficult to argue against without indulging in wild speculation. At least we know what we are getting with Young, while Sanchez has the potential to be a world beater, it has to be said he still has it all to prove.
Alexis Sanchez.
For us? its a no brainer, its Ashley Young.
Sanchez is good, and individually he potentially will go on to be the better player but i put Nani and Sanchez in the same boat in terms of playing style, and in my opinion Nani is better.
Young is a far more rounded player, a team player, and nobody in this thread has even mentioned one of Young's strong points, his set piece delivery! Sanchez doesn't even come close in that department. How many years has it been since we've had a decent corner taker? dont be surprised if Vidic gets 5-10 goals this season from them. Then there is Freekicks, something thats bugged me ever since Beckham left, and no Ronaldo wasn't all that at them.
Now factor in he's English, doesn't have to acclimatise to the country, adapt to the league, Ashley Young is a much better buy.
ohh did i mention he was 20 odd million cheaper?
Sanchez is good, and individually he potentially will go on to be the better player but i put Nani and Sanchez in the same boat in terms of playing style, and in my opinion Nani is better.
Young is a far more rounded player, a team player, and nobody in this thread has even mentioned one of Young's strong points, his set piece delivery! Sanchez doesn't even come close in that department. How many years has it been since we've had a decent corner taker? dont be surprised if Vidic gets 5-10 goals this season from them. Then there is Freekicks, something thats bugged me ever since Beckham left, and no Ronaldo wasn't all that at them.
Now factor in he's English, doesn't have to acclimatise to the country, adapt to the league, Ashley Young is a much better buy.
ohh did i mention he was 20 odd million cheaper?
Thing with Chelsea is they are owned by Abramovich and you never know how he is going to behave in the market. He has been very generous, but he has also been careful with his money and not willing to spend, there was a period of two or three years when he barely spent a penny out of his own pocket so I thought that perhaps he didn't want to invest more. It turned out that he did.
And I haven't exactly been proven wrong this season yet, have I? We have paid £16m for Jones, £15m for Young and will most likely end up spending £17m on De Gea which will bring our total to £48m. We will receive £12m for the Sunderland bound trio if we decide to sell them and Kuszczak will most likely leave as well, fetching us around £5m in the process, so it will eventually bring net spending down to around £30m, which isn't far off what I predicted. If we flog Bebe, Obertan, Diouf and a few others as well, it will probably be even less and I think there is still a chance that Berbatov will go as well. We will earn back a large part of that £50m that just got spent.
If Sanchez was playing in the prem every week, and Young was known purely from a highlight reel, I wonder who'd be rated higher.
Hate the people who use Young's set pieces as a reason to buy him. Why don't we just coax Juninho out of retirement while we're at it....
Hate the people who use Young's set pieces as a reason to buy him. Why don't we just coax Juninho out of retirement while we're at it....
Because he wouldn't add as much to the team as Young. Quite obviously. From what we've seen Youngs set pieces are much better than anyone else we've got. How the hell is that a bad thing to say?
I'm not debating what he'd add to the team. My problem is people using his deadball skills (which I've never seen, probably the same as most people saying it) as justification for his signing. Like they have to convince people. "Well he may not be Sanchez but he can take a freekick"
I think it's fair to point out Young's strengths, while we're debating the merits of signing him.
You have not watched much of him if he have not spotted his corner taking and free kicks are vastly superior to anyone else we have, especially since Ronaldo left. It's an obvious upgrade and one that can only benefit United.
I really don't see much of an issue with our summer buys and the entire Young/Sanchez comparison. Sanchez is evidently a superior talent to Young but he would have cost three times more at the least and our priorities this summer are Keeper and central midfield. Anyone with any realism can see we cannot afford Sanchez, Jones, Dea Gea and a top line midfielder, not unless someone else essential is going to be sold which is not what we need. That would only happen in FM and this is not FM.
The attack is well stocked and full of talent as it is, what is needed is a top quality central player to top the rest of the buys and the squad off. So far we have spent the most since 2007 with two top young talents with a Premiership proven winger signed up to add to what we already have in an already well stocked area relatively early in the summer. The muted departures thus far are all players who have also just about served their time. I'm happy with what we have done so far. We mean business and have secured the majority of our transfers early.
One is more talented, and raw.
The other is premiership proven and will definitely be able to come in and have an immediate impact.
The other is premiership proven and will definitely be able to come in and have an immediate impact.
How about we just sell everyone mate?
Nail, head, hit. Sanchez could become a top player but right now he's not, he's a risk. He could have hit it off here like Hernandez or flopped like a Bellion and co. It is amazing how many get all steamed up in excitement over a Youtube clip and a could of games seen. Young has been good for ages now and is a decent signing.
Also our team on FIFA 12 should be mental.
Damn, can you guys remember last season we have Valencia... antonio valencia from FULHAM... fulham guys... 17.5 M, nobody surely rated a winger from Fulham nobody wanted, but look at him right now.
Why can't we believe in SAF, what does he ahve to do to earn it?
As much as you guys wanking over sanchez real life football doesn't work like in the FM, just because we're Manchester United doesn't guarantee everybody would come to us, and it's not like any of us are in a position of a professional talent scout, most of us are basing it on hype, and a few glances from the TV set.
Why can't we believe in SAF, what does he ahve to do to earn it?
As much as you guys wanking over sanchez real life football doesn't work like in the FM, just because we're Manchester United doesn't guarantee everybody would come to us, and it's not like any of us are in a position of a professional talent scout, most of us are basing it on hype, and a few glances from the TV set.
The Sanchez one is strange. I'm not in the best position to say so because I have barely seen him play but spending 30+ million on a wide player when we're already very strong in that area seems a little daft to me. Barcelona can do that because they have no other real weakness so it's just a case of "how can we get even better" for them. We do have a couple of weaknesses so if we're going to spend 30 million it would be a bit odd to spend it on a winger.
.....Valencia was from Wigan.
From a rational, mature point of view, you are spot on. However, from a muppet point of view...
We need the money for CM anyways - so Sanchez, for that price, is not an option
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We could afford him though! We have shitloads in the bank apparently. There are clearly other reasons why we have gone for Young instead
If we sell Berba. But we still need a quality midfielder.
Its not a matter of whether we can afford him or not. Its a matter of whether we need to spend 35m on a winger/striker and whether he is ready to snub Barca for us.