I.think zabelata and bellerin would beg to differ.
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He's also our only winger.
The bold part reminded me: When we signed Memphis I thought/hoped it meant Young would switch flanks.
Young's time spent with the ball is a lot like of what Nani got hounded for time and again. Except Nani's problem was likely heavily linked to pecking order in that after he beat his man (and before, for that matter) he kept waiting for some mythical perfect pass to open up.
I agree Young should be tried on the right, with instructions to whip in early crosses to keep defenders guessing (otherwise defenders will do to him what they did to Nani pre-mini-renaissance, which was stand off him until he dallied on the ball long enough for his targets to all be marked). But that'll never happen under the keep-possession-or-lose-your-place regime.
Memphis on the left with license to shoot, Young on the right to provide supply without having to bring the ball back onto his preferred foot seems a fine set up with which to create chances. Especially with the bolstered midfield behind them to regain possession and capitalize on rebounds/clearances. Heck, throw Mata or Herrera behind the striker, and with Mata's excellent control and finishing and Herrera's excellent tackling, on any given day it would seem like an ideal set up to win free kicks in dangerous areas and in general keep the opposition on their back foot.
We'll probably never know.
Bizzare logic but not surprised to see you use it for someone like Young.
Contrarion is dead hip these days. Gets one attention.
So that's two in a season of 50 odd games great......
Ofcourse but that isn't why Pogue's defending Young's delivery with such poor reasoning.
He can contribute lot more if he can link up with players close to him and look for ways to penetrate the box. That is our best option, compared to him crossing from the wings.
I was just naming multiple examples. My point was that you don't make assumptions based on the first game. Ashley young has the ability to beat any full back he wants to any day of the week, it is the consistency of his end product that has let him down.
Obiorahking you think this opinion is over one game? I don't mind Young but let's not pretend he goes by people at ease! He doesn't he would be better as the 10 than as a left winger!
Typical Young performance for me. I just don't think he's good enough to play as our left winger and it's baffling that Depay has to play in the centre when he would be perfect for that position based on last season
I'd love to hear what he thinks Young did well because I didnt see that
Set up our only goal?
Well any of us could have made that pass when Rooney had the entire box to himself but regardless Young's cross was from the right wing, people are questioning why he's being played on the left and what he did well there. Young could be on the right, Mata the middle and Memphis on the left.
Oh give over, as if any of us could have done that. He made a great run to receive his pass in the first place then played a ball through the defender's legs right to Rooney's feet.
He made the run and an easy pass, ok. What else?
What else is an attacking player expected to do apart from score and set up goals? Oh yeah he put in a good shift defensively too. It wasn't a vintage performance from any of our attackers but he was the one in our attack who got us the 3 points. Your efforts to downplay this are blatant.
So checklist:
Set up our only goal of the game - CHECK
Had our only shot on target of the game - CHECK
Helped out well defensively - CHECK
It's amusing to see him getting so much stick when he's easily been one of our best and most dangerous attacking player for a good while. You almost get the feeling people want him to fail. We'd be playing Europa league football if it weren't for him
Tottenham were on the back foot after giving up possession in a dangerous position. He had lots of room to work with after Memphis played him in. It's a standard pick out most wingers could play. The stuff used to defend Young is bizarre, especially after everyone used to rip into every move he made before LVG's arrival, and nit pick other players we sign beyond new levels. If a winger can't pick out a pass like that then god fecking help us. The system is crippling our attacking play and having Young as the focal point of the attack is making it even worse. The guy plays 1 good game then 6 average/bad ones but tries hard. His delivery is on the whole pretty awful, hence why he struggles so often to pick out a man in the box unless big Marouane is pushing people around.
Young was arguably our best player in the closing few games of last season and definitely our best attacking player against Spurs. If Van Gaal is picking on form then Young should contnually be picked on the left wing. Which is what he seems to be doing.
Bizarre stuff like contributing to goals? Give over indeed!
He begins to address the stick that's been used to beat him all summer (assist stat) in the first game of the season and apparently this assist doesn't count!
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I don't think he does get an assist for Saturday actually....
Maybe if his cross had been better and Rooney didn't need to take the touch
You seem to have a very simple and limited view of things. You have to watch a player for 90 mins and that goal was more down to us winning the ball in midfield or would you say Rooney had a brilliant game as he "almost scored" the goal?
I sense a bit of a turn back against Young which I think is a but unfair.
for me, he's the one reliable part of our front 4!
Depay did a lot of falling over and running nowhere.
Mata comes inside every single time and can't keep us shape out wide.
Rooney, looked like he'd been on a 2 week bender in Spain
Young gets it, keeps it, more often than not turns his man inside out, ok not always in the glamour way of beating full backs for pace we all romantically love, but most often he gets a ball in. When Fellaini is in there it's a fabulous combo. When we have a fairly small winger, Rooney, and Depay, who the heck is going to head it anyway
I'd say he's most deserving of keeping his place out of that front 4.
for me, he's the one reliable part of our front 4!
Depay did a lot of falling over and running nowhere.
Mata comes inside every single time and can't keep us shape out wide.
Rooney, looked like he'd been on a 2 week bender in Spain
Young gets it, keeps it, more often than not turns his man inside out, ok not always in the glamour way of beating full backs for pace we all romantically love, but most often he gets a ball in. When Fellaini is in there it's a fabulous combo. When we have a fairly small winger, Rooney, and Depay, who the heck is going to head it anyway
I'd say he's most deserving of keeping his place out of that front 4.
I might get lambasted for this, but his performance was very similar to many of di Marias, last season. Picked up an assist, got into good positions but incredibly wasteful and couldnt beat his man.
His dribbling style is weird as feck, no wonder it rarely succedes.
He did well the other day, set up a goal and done his job defensively.
He did well the other day, set up a goal and done his job defensively.
Of course I wouldn't say Rooney had a brilliant game seeing he messed up his big chance. I didn't even say Young had a brilliant game, I just find the criticism on here after he won us 3 points to be insane.
You can't say "that goal was more down to winning the ball in midfield". It was to do with that, it was also largely to do with Memphis and Young doing everything right once the opportunity arose. It might not have been fancy but you can't fault that bit of play from either of them, they did everything you want in a great counter attack, something we haven't seen enough of in the last few seasons. Well I say you can't, but somehow you managed it...
I don't think he does get an assist for Saturday actually....
Maybe if his cross had been better and Rooney didn't need to take the touch
Have you seen the pass? It was almost perfect! The only way it could have been better was if it was slightly in front of Rooney by maybe a yard. You blaming Rooney's poor touch and lack of awareness on Young is really quite amazing.
The cross for the goal was good, but it was a square pass across 15/20 yards. Let's not exaggerate.
He was rubbish. Hopefully Van Gaal drops him soon and gets Memphis out wide because he isn't a striker, and he's a better player than Young.
He was rubbish. Hopefully Van Gaal drops him soon and gets Memphis out wide because he isn't a striker, and he's a better player than Young.
The ones exaggerating are the ones saying it was a bad pass. It wasn't a challenging pass but I've seen those messed up plenty especially as he was under pressure.
Nothing was wrong with that pass he played no, but if he can't do that 9/10 he shouldn't be playing for United. In his position despite not even knowing you, I'd fancy you could hit a 15 yard square ball.
Not through the defenders legs I couldn't. I wouldn't have the ball in that position anyway because I wouldn't have made the run he did or timed it like he did.
He's done well enough to earn his contract last season, but he wasn't outstanding like some suggest. He was an outlet, worked hard and teamed up well with the left back and Fellaini. A decent season. Nothing more, nothing less.
He's never a first team player however. I hope his extended run in the side come to an end, sooner rather than later, as he just isn't of the level required to be a mainstay in the team every single week. Hopefully the - likely impending - arrival of Pedro, will see LVG revert back to a 4-3-3 with the Spaniard and Memphis flanking Rooney. They are natural, wide forwards and comfortably better than Young. LVG bleats on about balance and he'll have no excuses not to deploy the team in that set-up if Pedro joins.
He's never a first team player however. I hope his extended run in the side come to an end, sooner rather than later, as he just isn't of the level required to be a mainstay in the team every single week. Hopefully the - likely impending - arrival of Pedro, will see LVG revert back to a 4-3-3 with the Spaniard and Memphis flanking Rooney. They are natural, wide forwards and comfortably better than Young. LVG bleats on about balance and he'll have no excuses not to deploy the team in that set-up if Pedro joins.
I dont think there is single person who suggested that he was outstanding, people just give credit where it's due. It was a good season for him and no superlatives spotted in season reviews of him. However he was one of our best players. Does that say something ? Yes, we should aim higher not settle for Young standard but I am really sick of people who just like to discredit him for no reason even when he belongs to the best performers like it was against Tottenham which was solid performance, better than Mata and Memphis and Rooney for sure. Was that that great? No, but shut up with the criticism. If it was Depay people would be like yeah great promising performance keep it up.
Young is solid squad player we should try memphis there but unless Van Gaal bring in someone or try the Dutchman or Januzaj/Pereira there we can do shit all about it and stay positive for what's positive not negative even before he kicks the ball.
Even if Rooney scored you wouldnt say he had a good game, and thats the point. Young made the final pass, fine, but besides that, he didnt offer much and had a poor game. So you can tick all the boxes but at the end of the day he didnt get past Walker and didnt offer enough going forward which is his main task
His main task is setting up goals which he accomplished.
It wasn't a top performance but it's clear from the reactions that a lot of people can't wait to see him out of the team. It doesn't matter how well he plays because his name is Ashley Young, ergo he shouldn't play. You can't argue with people like that, it's a waste of time.
He was no worse than our other attacking players, in fact he was arguably better.
He was no worse than our other attacking players, in fact he was arguably better.
So by making one assist (which was not a difficult one) you think his job is done and all is well? As I said, you have a very simplistic view
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