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2014-15 Performances

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6.3 Season Average Rating
Appearances
29
Clean sheets
9
Goals
2
Assists
6
Yellow cards
5
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LvG needs to play some games in his next presser.

"I look at Aston Villa, they do not possess a wide threat such as Marco Reus or Ashley Young.."
 
akash02 said:
No, he's not. Young is better in just about every area.
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Disagree. Young might be marginally better going forward in that he actually attacks the fullback whereas Valencia always plays safe but his crosses are mostly garbage. They were good in pre-season I'll give him credit there, but he's looks to be reverting to type. The first sign of an opportunity to get on to a loose ball he either dives or bitches out (the Manone moment). For all his faults Valencia is at least able to retain possession and hold off people.

Defensively Valencia is a better option in my opinion. Young was constantly giving fouls away in that first half because he's not got the strength to take the ball off players. Valencia was at fault for the goal but he made lots of tackles and was solid enough in the second half.

Edit: Also, when playing as wingers Young has had Evra as a full back behind who was great going forward even towards the end of his career. Valencia has had Rafael sometimes (and they work well as a pair) or Smalling/Jones who are not right backs.
 
Oneunited26 said:
I wonder what is more predictable, his performances? or the last 3 managers who have kept playing him

Fans should be more angry at the likes of VG who keep playing this guy
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He doesn't have a choice with Shaw out does he? I would rather he played Reece James there but for some reason LVG doesn't think he is ready. It is Ed's fault that we sold Buttner and Evra without getting adequate adequate specialist cover for both our full back positions. It is clear that LVG doesn't rate Valencia and Young as wingers and he has said so himself, he is just using them as stop gap solutions to the full back problem. We should have sold them both and gotten specialist full backs for cover by now and yet we haven't. I blame ED :mad: (unless LVG decided we didn't need cover for full back)
 
Amethyst said:
Disagree. Young might be marginally better going forward in that he actually attacks the fullback whereas Valencia always plays safe but his crosses are mostly garbage. They were good in pre-season I'll give him credit there, but he's looks to be reverting to type. The first sign of an opportunity to get on to a loose ball he either dives or bitches out (the Manone moment). For all his faults Valencia is at least able to retain possession and hold off people.

Defensively Valencia is a better option in my opinion. Young was constantly giving fouls away in that first half because he's not got the strength to take the ball of players. Valencia was at fault for the goal but he made lots of tackles and was solid enough in the second half.
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Valencia is not in the side to retain possession. He needs to take players on and provide width to the side, something which he does once in a blue moon because he's turned into a coward. Young is not a coward. He's still shite on the left but bless him, he at least tries to do something with the ball. I don't really see how Valencia is better defensively either. Young is not a very good tackler but he does track his man a lot better than both as a wing back and a winger than Valencia has ever done.
 
Joga Bonito said:
He doesn't have a choice with Shaw out does he? I would rather he played Reece James there but for some reason LVG doesn't think he is ready. It is Ed's fault that we sold Buttner and Evra without getting adequate adequate specialist cover for both our full back positions. It is clear that LVG doesn't rate Valencia and Young as wingers and he has said so himself, he is just using them as stop gap solutions to the full back problem. We should have sold them both and gotten specialist full backs for cover by now and yet we haven't. I blame ED :mad: (unless LVG decided we didn't need cover for full back)
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Well youngs contract is up next year, so that's good news
 
akash02 said:
Valencia is not in the side to retain possession. He needs to take players on and provide width to the side, something which he does once in a blue moon because he's turned into a coward. Young is not a coward. He's still shite on the left but bless him, he at least tries to do something with the ball. I don't really see how Valencia is better defensively either. Young is not a very good tackler but he does track his man a lot better than both as a wing back and a winger than Valencia has ever done.
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The reason we play 3-5-2 is because our wingers are shit. They're simply there to supplement the attack and defence not to be our sole attacking outlet. If the main attackers like Rooney and Mata enjoy playing the ball out wide to them rather than creating opening themselves there's nothing more that can be done. LVG knows they're shit, you know they're shit and I know they're shit but for some reason our big time players are very comfortable with giving them the responsibility of being our main attacking option.
 
Blue always red said:
The reason we play 3-5-2 is because our wingers are shit. They're simply there to supplement the attack and defence not to be our sole attacking outlet. If the main attackers like Rooney and Mata enjoy playing the ball out wide to them rather than creating opening themselves there's nothing more that can be done. LVG knows they're shit, you know they're shit and I know they're shit but for some reason our big time players are very comfortable with giving them the responsibility of being our main attacking option.
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But they are been used to be our width from wingbacks , so our shittest wingers still manage to find their way in the starting 11, no matter the system
 
Oneunited26 said:
But they are been used to be our width from wingbacks , so our shittest wingers still manage to find their way in the starting 11, no matter the system
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It's a sad truth that we are forced into playing them, but our forwards have so much ability that there should be no need for us to still be so heavily reliant on them when we go forward.
 
Blue always red said:
The reason we play 3-5-2 is because our wingers are shit. They're simply there to supplement the attack and defence not to be our sole attacking outlet. If the main attackers like Rooney and Mata enjoy playing the ball out wide to them rather than creating opening themselves there's nothing more that can be done. LVG knows they're shit, you know they're shit and I know they're shit but for some reason our big time players are very comfortable with giving them the responsibility of being our main attacking option.
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The reason we play it to fit Rooney and RVP in the same team. LVG has said as much.
 
akash02 said:
Valencia is not in the side to retain possession. He needs to take players on and provide width to the side, something which he does once in a blue moon because he's turned into a coward. Young is not a coward. He's still shite on the left but bless him, he at least tries to do something with the ball. I don't really see how Valencia is better defensively either. Young is not a very good tackler but he does track his man a lot better than both as a wing back and a winger than Valencia has ever done.
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As far as tracking back I don't really see too much difference. Valencia had two good tracking back interceptions against Sunderland, one vs. Cattermole and one vs. Gomez. Young had one too I think, but Valencia also put in more tackles and won the ball back for us far more.
 
akash02 said:
The reason we play it to fit Rooney and RVP in the same team. LVG has said as much.
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We could just as easily play 4-1-2-1-2 or any other formation that didn't require wing-backs. He's gone for a formation that includes width, but doesn't rely on it. Currently, we're relying on it.
 
For what it's worth I reckon he'd do better on the right side. I hate the way he always has to shift to his right before he crosses the ball, it kills our attacking moves pretty much every time. He's got a good cross but the opportunity is always gone once he finally uses it.
 
Sod the (potential) new contracts, can't we just release him along with Valencia, Cleverley, and Fletcher?
 
Gopher Brown said:
He's on about £120k believe it or not. He has the best agent in the world.
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He chose to have his signing on fee staggered over the length of his contract apparently which inflated his weekly wage. His basic wage is more modest.
 
Pexbo said:
He chose to have his signing on fee staggered over the length of his contract apparently which inflated his weekly wage. His basic wage is more modest.
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I know, but £120k makes better headlines. It's not like he's giving good value even if he was on £50k per week. This is why paying any attention to money in football is pointless.
 
Empire said:
It's not a dangerous area if nobody is there. And it's not a good cross if it's over the player's head. His problem is that he looking only ever the ball.
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I watched the game last night again and most of those crosses were to particular players, they were unable to connect (which is and isn't his fault) and there was one to Mata at the back post who obviously was never going to get on the end of it. The ball was overhit slightly also.
 
Winrar said:
Sod the (potential) new contracts, can't we just release him along with Valencia, Cleverley, and Fletcher?
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I agree. If I were Ashley Young (or any of the other names you mentioned), I would face an important dilemma right now: should I push to have better luck elsewhere because I know Di Maria coming means a hell lot less playing minutes? Or should I train even harder like a wounded animal to find a bloody way to show everyone I deserve my place?

If those players have any pride left, they should work their asses off and fight their way back into the starting XI. If not, they can just feck off and never return.
 
Kakeru said:
If those players have any pride left, they should work their asses off and fight their way back into the starting XI. If not, they can just feck off and never return.
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This attitude really shits me and is a worrying trend among United fans. How can a United fan want to say to a man like Fletcher, feck off and you're not welcome back here.

The guy has been a great servant to the club and bleeds United but because the board have failed to invest in midfield over the years, people react like that.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
This attitude really shits me and is a worrying trend among United fans. How can a United fan want to say to a man like Fletcher, feck off and you're not welcome back here.

The guy has been a great servant to the club and bleeds United but because the board have failed to invest in midfield over the years, people react like that.
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Is the maintenance of high standards inside a team not relevant?

I know this is not the place to discuss about this, but as I wrote in the Fletcher thread: does the Eric Abidal story ring any bells? At one point, Barcelona just couldn't let sentimentality cloud judgement upon the current reality assessment, which we did as a mistake. When Abidal couldn't cut it up to Barca's existing standards, he was phased out completely and his contract was not renewed at all. We have to be realistic here; if one player can't cut it anymore, he has to go. This is the only way you can keep high standards within the team. Hell, even Hughes was bleeding United in his playing days, but Fergie had to be realistic in the end by cutting him out (something Fergie lacked to some extent towards the current dross in the last few years).
 
@Kakeru what does high standards of the team have to do with showing respect?

I don't have any issues with your opinion on the player, I agree to an extent but I would never say feck off and you're not welcome back, especially to a guy like Fletcher.
 
Burnley 0:0 Man Utd
Young: Don't write United off




Ashley Young is adamant it is too early to write Manchester United off in the Premier League title race, despite a winless start to the season.



United already trail early leaders Chelsea by seven points after following up an opening day defeat at home by Swansea City with draws away to Sunderland and promoted Burnley.

New manager Louis van Gaal has implemented a 3-5-2 formation since taking charge, which has seen Young operating in a left wing-back role.

Young believes it will take time for the system, and several new signings, to gel and he is not unduly worried by United’s sluggish start to the campaign, which has also included a 4-0 humiliation at the hands of MK Dons in the Capital One Cup.

"In previous seasons when we haven't started the season so well we've gone on to win the league,” Young told Inside United.

"People have written us off already but everyone here knows you don't write off a club like United.

"People can say what they want but internally we all know exactly what we're striving to do, what goals we've set and what we want to achieve.

"There is no point panicking after a handful of games. It's obviously been disappointing but you have to take the positives from the games we've had.

"I definitely think things are going to turn for us and I would say to the fans there is nothing to worry about, we're going to come good.

"It's just like the manager has said: just believe in the philosophy and how we're playing and keep believing that we're going to turn this round - because we do.

"The manager has said things aren't going to change in a week or a month. It's going to take time for the players to adjust.

"We want to get results and I'm sure given the way we've worked in training the right results will come.

"We've got to keep thinking in the way that he has explained it to us and keep performing in the way he wants.

"Obviously things haven't gone the way we've wanted them to yet but we've just got to keep working on that philosophy that the manager wants, keep doing what we've been doing in training and show the spirit and togetherness that we always show.

"If we keep doing that then I'm sure everything will gel together and come good."



http://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-...ited-s-Ashley-Young-positive-about-title-race
 
It'll be interesting to see who out of Young and Valencia will get the bench spot when they are both fit. Valencia is better defensively but Young offers the flexibility of both sides and is better going forward on both.
 
Smoke On the Water said:
Never understood the hate he gets to be honest. Seems like a pretty honest and down to earth lad who tries his best.
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Nothing honest about divers.
Bit flash
Overpaid
His best isn't good enough.

I think if you add all that up it leads to a bit of resentment for some. Personally I don't hate the guy just rather he didn't play for us anymore.
 
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