I thought he looked really angry when he was sent to leftback, diving in all the time, arguing with the linesman, opponents and complaining to Nani in front of him. I think he's accepted and welcomed playing left wingback, but spat the dummy out when asked to play left fullback.
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That would make zero sense. It's far likelier that he was just vexed by the result and/or the bird.
How would that make zero sense?
Playing wingback in a 5 in midfield is still playing the wing role
Playing leftback is playing as part of a 4 man defence
Much like the glazers and Woodward, he is just part of the huge problem of passengers in this squad that have overstayed their welcome
If anything, playing wing back is even more demanding. Both roles require a lot of defending and a lot of running though.
I'm sure he's happy enough to make the team.
Just imagine Valencia on the right, Young on the left and Cleverley shepherding them. Would truly be a spectacular sight to behold.
Well this formula did beat city 2 years ago, so got to give them some credit
I suppose it was naive to think Young could translate his pre-season form over to competitive football. Despite the quality of opposition he's faced, he was rarely tested on tour and even then he looked incredibly suspect on the few occasions he was defending deep - such as his complete inability to defend and intercept a diagonal, long pass even when he has time to judge the flight of the ball.
His future could largely hinge on whether van Gaal decides to continue with the 3-5-2, or the type of acquisitions we make. If for instance, we sign di Maria and that signals a change to a 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-1-2, then his future here is seriously in jeopardy, as I don't believe van Gaal rates Young as a winger and only sees him as a wingback.
He's certainly not a fullback and not good enough as winger here either, so the likelihood is he can only be a wingback option here.
His future could largely hinge on whether van Gaal decides to continue with the 3-5-2, or the type of acquisitions we make. If for instance, we sign di Maria and that signals a change to a 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-1-2, then his future here is seriously in jeopardy, as I don't believe van Gaal rates Young as a winger and only sees him as a wingback.
He's certainly not a fullback and not good enough as winger here either, so the likelihood is he can only be a wingback option here.
I gave them credit in the past (not Young though, don't think he ever deserved it other than a few games at the start of his United career). Right now its painfully obvious that these guys aren't the required quality for the United team.
''Or, I should say, we don't have wingers of the highest level, like Ronaldo or Di Maria or somebody like that.'' - Louis Van Gaal
You won't see a more straightforward assessment than that. We should just ship out the deadwood instead of trying to shoehorn two 29 year old wingers into wing/full back positions that they just aren't suited for defensively. Its not asking too much to get 2 specialist full backs to cover for Shaw and the injury prone Rafael. I don't mind Cleverley and still think he can do a job as a squad player given his age and decent footballing ability. However, Valencia and Young are just deadweight and playing them in the full back position is just a stopgap measure which is detrimental to the team in the long run.
Yea had to atleast give them some credit, but I agree. Has a united fan it should shock me so many passengers have some how survived the chop, name them off, Cleverley fletcher fellaini Anderson Valencia nani young kagwa, we have mata that we never really needed. So for me another year with this lot really will be another brutal season for all of us, how Valencia got that new contract will never fully get an explanation
I do not think jones smalling Evans and rafeal are good enough if I'm being even more brutally honest
Its not about demanding.
Its about being a leftback, no longer a winger. And having a rival for your position playing in the role you wanted to play.
I very much doubt he stood there thinking: "Jesus, I'm officially not a winger anymore, my career is heading for the rocks".
A chance to prove his versatility would give him the ideal lifeline, given almost certain trepidations about his United career.
I couldn't care less what he thinks to be honest. He's been poor for close to a year now, and I can count with one hand the amount of impressive games he's had for us.
Actually reverting to 4 at the back meant moving away from the formation that had seen him reinvent his role and importance to the team. He's already proven his versatility.
And playing at leftback is clearly not what he wants. A lot of wingers would have been upset just like Young's behaviour suggested he was.
Young's behavior suggested only that he was frustrated. The rest is your interpolation.
Hardly our biggest problem right now, and our priority is obviously bringing players in instead of showing players the door, but it really is frustrating how he's managed to find his way into our new managers plans for the second season running (yes, i'm aware we have injuries etc but right now he's pretty much a nailed on starter).
Whenever we appoint a new manager, our induction should include making them fully aware that Ashley Young is actually a bit shit.
Whenever we appoint a new manager, our induction should include making them fully aware that Ashley Young is actually a bit shit.
I share your frustration at seemingly going back to square one by giving more time to players who should have been shipped out long ago. Given the frequent turnover of managers, I'm not sure clubs can function properly anymore without a Director of Football overseeing the transfer strategy and shape of the squad.
Well I just decided to have a statistical analysis of his game to see if he really had a shite game as I perceived him to have.
-He attempted 46 passes and completed 40 of them but the hilarious thing is the direction of those passes. You could be mistaken for thinking he had an impenetrable wall in front of him.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...yer-stats/18892/1_PASS_01#tabs-wrapper-anchor
-He made 8 passes in the final third with 5 of them being successful
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...yer-stats/18892/1_PASS_08#tabs-wrapper-anchor
-He attempted 8 crosses with 1 of them somehow being successful and created 2 chances the entire game whilst attempting 0 take ons
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...r-stats/18892/2_ATTACK_01#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Most of the players had a terrible game but the thing that annoys me most is Young's lack of gumption and adventure. He seems to shirk under pressure and always goes for the safe option without necessarily trying anything. The amount of times he cut back in to pass inside to the centrebacks was truly infuriating. Januzaj didn't have a great game but he had the audacity to try something and even though most of them didn't come off very well it showed he was trying to impact the game at the very least. Young looked like a passenger the entire game and was extremely passive. Young also seems extremely one-footed and doesn't seem suited defensively to play the full/wing back role. I really hope we let Reece James or even Blackett at left back instead of playing a 29 year old has been winger there. Really can't wait for Shaw to return...
-He attempted 46 passes and completed 40 of them but the hilarious thing is the direction of those passes. You could be mistaken for thinking he had an impenetrable wall in front of him.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...yer-stats/18892/1_PASS_01#tabs-wrapper-anchor
-He made 8 passes in the final third with 5 of them being successful
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...yer-stats/18892/1_PASS_08#tabs-wrapper-anchor
-He attempted 8 crosses with 1 of them somehow being successful and created 2 chances the entire game whilst attempting 0 take ons
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...r-stats/18892/2_ATTACK_01#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Most of the players had a terrible game but the thing that annoys me most is Young's lack of gumption and adventure. He seems to shirk under pressure and always goes for the safe option without necessarily trying anything. The amount of times he cut back in to pass inside to the centrebacks was truly infuriating. Januzaj didn't have a great game but he had the audacity to try something and even though most of them didn't come off very well it showed he was trying to impact the game at the very least. Young looked like a passenger the entire game and was extremely passive. Young also seems extremely one-footed and doesn't seem suited defensively to play the full/wing back role. I really hope we let Reece James or even Blackett at left back instead of playing a 29 year old has been winger there. Really can't wait for Shaw to return...
You can't really expect him to be perfect. He also switched to left back after half time. Two completely unfamiliar roles to his natural position, by all means have a go at him and all that but it has to be taken into context. Also never crosses of his left, cuts back inside - for this reason I really don't like seeing him on the left I would prefer him inside right or RWB.
Yeah completely forgot he lit up the league for us in his natural position. Taking into context? He is shit. PERIOD. He is not good enough to play for us no matter the position. He makes no effort at running at the defender with the ball. Every time he got the ball he passed it back. At least make an effort.
What are we doing trying to coach a 29 year old winger into a position he has probably never played before? Are we genuinely considering him to be our cover for left/right back on the basis of good performances in pre-season? Its about time we shipped him out and got specialist cover for our full backs. I can't believe how some are open to giving him another chance after he has been nothing more than a passenger for 3 seasons now...
Constructive. Forgot the narrative in here "shit get rid want him gone now". Is that better? Do I fit in yet?
It looks as though we are considering him for fullback cover. Considering he's made his first appearance this season playing exactly that role (then wasn't hooked in favor of a defender at the interval, rather moved into a more responsible defensive role).
Believe it - people are patient enough to hope a player turns good, shock horror.
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Van gaal seems to want to give him the chance, and that is the real problem
If he really manages to pull this one off and Schweinsteiger Ashley Young, it would be the greatest thing he would have ever done. Nay, make that the greatest thing any manager could have ever done.
I would love to see Young return to Villa or a team of that ilk and find his old form...except for when he plays us.
Im impressed with his application under LVG so far. Long may it continue.
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Showing his true form now the season has started.
Am I wrong in saying that he slowed up in that 50-50 with the keeper? Looked like it
well the positive, his contract runs out in 2015
He is a disgrace to the jersey. Can we have a count of the number of back passes compared to the forward passes? I swear all I can remember are his shit crosses, his back passes from whereever he received the ball and his dive. That's it. Did he do anything special apart from that?
Showing his true colours. He really was Fergies worst buy.
Worse than Veron. Atleast Veron was good in Europe and half decent in his second season.
Worse than Veron. Atleast Veron was good in Europe and half decent in his second season.
Is it possible to just terminate someone's contract? Call it performance related.
I hope he enjoyed that run out anyway, all being well Di Maria is here next week.
I hope he enjoyed that run out anyway, all being well Di Maria is here next week.
That dive was pathetic. If he'd tried to actually do something rather than cheat we could have scored.
He's unbelievably crap, I dream of a day when he's not at our club. Seriously.
Get rid. For free even. Get him off the books. Bright side of today is once everyone's fit, only four or five of today's starters will be playing.
Absolute shite. No good balls into the box, another dive and so on. Hard to believe he actually looked decent in pre season.
When he's shit, he's really shit.
Proves that pre-season is just pre-season.
I'd release him, along with Cleverley, Fletcher, and Valencia.
I'd release him, along with Cleverley, Fletcher, and Valencia.
He seems to have gone back to vagina mode.
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