I'm not a fan of Young, but i'm sure you would've labelled him as a type of back up / squad player when Young was at Villa, as he was constantly providing goals and assists. I think the problem is, he just hasn't been able to make that step up at United, unfortunately.
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I'm not a fan of Young, but i'm sure you would've labelled him as a type of back up / squad player when Young was at Villa, as he was constantly providing goals and assists. I think the problem is, he just hasn't been able to make that step up at United, unfortunately.
Where do people get their numbers from? It's the second time I've spotted ungrounded Young stats in this very thread. He's got 3 goals and 10 assists in the last couple of years. That's obviously nowhere near good enough but at least be fair with the issue. He averaged roughly 45 minutes in each of his 30 games this season and 60 minutes a game in 2012/2013 and got 3 goals, 10 assists. Pretty bad but not as horrendous as it looks when you say 2 goals and 4 assists in two years.
He needed roughly 180 minutes to produce a goal (goal or assist) this season. Suddenly not as tragic, eh?
There's a decent player somewhere in him, his Aston Villa record is staggering for a presumably 'poor' player. He's been a 20 + man (goals + assists) in every season since and including 07/08 season prior to 2012/13 and made 20 goals in 33 games in his first season here. He's also been fine for England apart from the Euro 2012.
To sum up I don't see him as United quality but then again, none of our wingers currently is. We should aim much higher than that but what gets on my tits is this blasphemy of incorrect numbers and failing to see that he, like Hernandez, played little football this year which you won't understand when you're merely looking at the number of games played.
He needed roughly 180 minutes to produce a goal (goal or assist) this season. Suddenly not as tragic, eh?
There's a decent player somewhere in him, his Aston Villa record is staggering for a presumably 'poor' player. He's been a 20 + man (goals + assists) in every season since and including 07/08 season prior to 2012/13 and made 20 goals in 33 games in his first season here. He's also been fine for England apart from the Euro 2012.
To sum up I don't see him as United quality but then again, none of our wingers currently is. We should aim much higher than that but what gets on my tits is this blasphemy of incorrect numbers and failing to see that he, like Hernandez, played little football this year which you won't understand when you're merely looking at the number of games played.
Why is he still a United player? We should spend some of our warchest paying a club to take him off our books.
Support QPR on Monday.
Hopefully Harry will take him off our hands.
Hopefully Harry will take him off our hands.
Haha. That video cracked me up. Good on you Young, that he's enjoying himself amongst the pathetic abuse.
Define useful.
There's certainly an argument to be made that since he's been here he's been more useless than useful.
A moronic argument, maybe.
The only reason what's keeping him at the club is this ridiculous contract and fact that he had appearances in England International.
Januzaj will destroy his chances quickly next season. Another fruitless matches from Young will be documented in Louie's famous notebook and won't be easily forgotten.
Januzaj will destroy his chances quickly next season. Another fruitless matches from Young will be documented in Louie's famous notebook and won't be easily forgotten.
Sometimes when we've needed an impact in a game he's delivered. Hull 3-2, Crystal Palace 2-0, Stoke in the cup. Had some good games against the big clubs. Arsenal 8-2, when he did very well v Chelsea.
He looked shit this year. So did many other players. Not sure why he gets so much hatred, especially as he has been massively involved with some very good deeds for our fans and clearly loves the club.
I still want him to do well here. He seems like a good guy.
He's been shit for two seasons. I don't hate him. I blame managers for picking him, when there are several players that I'd rather see get his minutes. The only situation where he's more useful than Nani is when Nani's injured.
Isn't it very easy crack you up now too?
Considering some of the crap he has served up in recent times he has no right to be enjoying himself at all. If he was serious about sorting his shit out he should be keeping his head down and working hard instead of bopping up and down like a clown in his car and posting it on the internet. I can't imagine LvG being impressed with that caper.
FFS. This is exactly what I mean.
What because he had a poor season he should not have a life?
Who cares if he's a good guy? All I want is a player who performs on the pitch even if he can be an absolute nutter off from it.
I think the issue with Young and Valencia and this backlash against the two goes beyond their actual performances. Their performances are half the reason why they are so disliked now and the other half is that people on here are not convinced with the type of players that they are. In the age of "wingers" playing closer to the centre and looking for options other than blindly crossing the ball, we have two wingers who can seemingly do only that. It is especially annoying when you watch wingers like Reus, Pedro (at his best), di maria... They have so much variety to their game whereas Young and more so Valencia do the same thing over and over.
It's a bit unfair because the club bought them knowing the type of players they are but there you have it.
It's a bit unfair because the club bought them knowing the type of players they are but there you have it.
Or you could just take his stats in the games that actually matter (Prem, CL and FA cup).
In those three competitions he has scored 2 goals and assisted 4 times in two seasons. Fact. And that's from 33 starts and 18 appearances off the bench.
If you like we could say that the starts are ~60 minutes (he's usually subbed early for abysmal performances) and the sub appearances are ~30 minutes. That's a goal or an assist every 420 minutes. Appalling.
For comparison, over the last two seasons Nani (3 goals, 5 assists) contributed every 203 minutes. Valencia (5 goals, 11 assists) contributed every 308 minutes.
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Surely you want every player to do well that plays for us.
Sadly he hasn't performed. And we should look to sell him. That video just shows what everything is wrong with him. Dropped from World Cup squad and rightly so should be keeping his head down.
It's interesting to see how Young has become so one-dimensional in his play when, back then, he could play out wide and through the middle. He used to deal with 1-on-1's very well. He used to know when to cut in and when to stay out wide. He used to be very good at crossing the ball. His set pieces were very good.
Now, he's bad at 1-on-1's. He's weak on the ball, and his movement has worsened, so he rarely cuts in and is often staying out wide jinking left and right without even getting past his man. His crossing has been quite inaccurate. His passing's also gotten worse. He's just gotten worse in just about everything, so much so that I find Whittingham and Mutch better than Young in many aspects.
I think Young's confidence has shattered to the point that it's irrecoverable. He just can't do much right. Under van Gaal, he doesn't fit anywhere in his system. It's best for him and for Man. Utd. that he leaves so that he can get back to his best and so we can have players that fit into the system.
Now, he's bad at 1-on-1's. He's weak on the ball, and his movement has worsened, so he rarely cuts in and is often staying out wide jinking left and right without even getting past his man. His crossing has been quite inaccurate. His passing's also gotten worse. He's just gotten worse in just about everything, so much so that I find Whittingham and Mutch better than Young in many aspects.
I think Young's confidence has shattered to the point that it's irrecoverable. He just can't do much right. Under van Gaal, he doesn't fit anywhere in his system. It's best for him and for Man. Utd. that he leaves so that he can get back to his best and so we can have players that fit into the system.
Get a grip.People hate Young because at his best he is the player who will be MOTM vs Stoke, or will have decent game against City. He'll never play as great winger, he'll never impress you with his performance, at his best he is good squad player and that's it, and that "best" happens so rarely that people forget he can be a decent player. His style of play is unattractive, I can't remember when is the last time he tried to beat his defender, and apart one or two screamers per season he won't do anything else that will impress you. He has so negative mentality you just see he isn't player for top team. There was one game this season where his average position was almost identical to Evra's, and apparently he was winger in that game and Evra played as fullback. Apparently he is good at setpieces, but we scored around 2 goals after his deliveries from set pieces. They also said his crossing from open play is good, but most of his crosses from left would be too high even for Crouch who would be standing at back post. I remember us one time scoring after his cross, and that was probably overhit too, when Giggsy scored against Norwich. There was also one game when his every single completed pass was backpass. For some reason we play him ahead of more talebted players like Januzaj, Kagawa or Nani, only to sub bim after 50 minutes. His dives from past few seasons were embarassing as it gets(altough tbf looks like he cut that out of his game this season).
I don't think he is that bad player as some do, I think he can be good squad player, and he seems like a decent person in real life, but it's really not hard to see why people dislike him as a player.
I don't think he is that bad player as some do, I think he can be good squad player, and he seems like a decent person in real life, but it's really not hard to see why people dislike him as a player.
I'm not a huge Young fan, obviously, but does anyone else actually think that he may flourish a little under LVG? He is quite similar to a poor man's Robben; he does possess decent pace, has a good shot on him and links up fairly well with his team mates. His defensive work is also, well, tenacious, at least. He suffered under Moyes in a 4-4-2 system where his job was somewhat unclear. Like Robben, he basically has to cut in and shoot or cross with his preferred foot. He's not a 4-4-2 winger because he lacks the ability to go past defenders with the ball to make a proper cross from out wide. He is very good at managing to get two or three yards on a defender to chip in a ball or be able to get a shot in; that's a lot more useful in a 4-3-3.
He'd need to learn how to actually look up and cross the ball to a man rather than aimlessly doing the same thing over and over to flourish under Van Gaal.
I don't think he's going to learn how to do something new/better at this stage in his career.
His defensive work should be decent given that he was a full back before he came to Aston Villa.
He was very dangerous for Villa in that he could deliver a good cross out wide but could also cut in and make himself dangerous in the middle. Houllier even put him in the middle so that he could do more damage there instead of just cutting in from the left side often.
I think he did suffer from playing a more rigid role out wide. His dribbling isn't as good as it used to be, so he's not as good at 1-on-1 situations, anymore. Just by staying out wide, Young is ineffective. He's much better when given more freedom to play than just stay out wide and cross the ball in.
That said, I don't think Young can ever get back to his best. His confidence seems shattered, and he doesn't seem like he fits in here, anymore. He'd be better off going to another club where he can reestablish himself.
After years of Giggs and Ronaldo, he never had a chance.
Young has zero chance playing under Van Gaal, the guy has no sign of a footballing brain he breaks down more passing moves than Rooney haha
If I see the 'he might flourish under van gaal' crap in another poor-performing player's thread I think I might vomit.
Is there anyone van Gaal isn't going to fix?
Is there anyone van Gaal isn't going to fix?
I have a feeling Van Gaal might sort Young out. Not just on the pitch but off it too. No more of this silly notion of enjoying himself.
So is he not allowed to enjoy himself in his car? Why should his performances on the pitch dictate whether or not he is allowed the radio on whilst he is driving?
I think people believe we have Jesus Christ as our new manager, and even he couldn't turn young into a good player. I think that's young, bebe and cleverley I've heard this about now. Anyone else going to become a world beater under van gaal?
He seems to be right from the same school as your typical bellend 'street' footballer that wears his jeans hanging down to his ankles and listens to nothing but Jay-Z. Defoe and Rio have always been the flag-bearers.
Or maybe I just hate him and that song.
Or maybe I just hate him and that song.
Perhaps I didn't know League Cup doesn't count now but anyway, if you want to be picky, he's got 2 goals and 9 assists which is goal or assist per 243 minutes. Fact.
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I know it's fashionable to say that Young is totally hopeless but I thought he actually did OK last season overall. He at least gave us a pacy outlet for defences to worry about while allowing others like Mata or Kagawa to do their thing. Similar job to Welbeck when he plays on the flanks.
I still hope we could get better though.
I still hope we could get better though.
It's really not fashionable at all. He was average at best.
That is his problem and the problem people have with him. At best he's just about OK.
He is the perfect example of why some fresh blood has to be brought in to improve some key areas in the team. The wings are right up there in the list of priorities and it's no surprise we've been linked with Reus and Robben - although obviously neither will happen.
What the feck are you on? He is more useful than Kagawa? You really must be blind. I think you are the only one who likes to have him in our squad.
Ok, as in what level? the level required to be a squad player at United or a squad player at Newcastle, Villa or Southampton? look at Ji Sung Park as an example of what a squad player at this club should be, look at Javier Hernandez since he's arrived. Young pales in comparison.
He's part of the dross that we need to clear out.
Agree, hence my last sentence.
I just think that people sometimes unfairly singled out Young for criticism when other players were just as bad but seemed to largely get away with it.
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