Ashes II - 2013/14 - In Australia

Going to be a brilliant series. Shame about the drop in pitch at Adelaide, supposedly flat.
 
KM said:
Honestly think Australia should play Mitch Johnson. He's inconsistent but bowl him in short spells of 3-4 overs and he can deliver you a wicket. He bowls 150k regularly and I can see him troubling some batsmen with his short bowling in the Australian pitches.
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ghaliboy said:
Please.. Don't. Someone might hear you, take you seriously and actually include him.
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Hehe. What a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
 
All credits to the Ozzies, they're fast bowling was outstanding. However... can we have a look at Johnson's action please? Suspect?
 
Not it's not. It's a sling-ish sort of action but his arm is definitely straight
 
Fantastic from the Aussies. Sets up the series, we'll see how England respond.
 
Johnson's action is fine, actually I think the fact that he is bowling with a straighter arm has been the reason for his improvement over the last 12 months.

I don't think you can right England off just yet. The outfield in the first test was very green having only just been relaid, when England start playing on rougher outfields they will be able to work on the ball a bit more and get some reverse swing going on. I expect Finn or Rankin to come in for Tremlett and then Bresnan will come in later in the series.

However, it is not England's bowling that they should be worried about they haven't batted well since India. That first test in India was humiliating as well so lets hope that they can come good in this series. Trott is a worry at three, we have tried Bell and Bopara there before Trott came in to solve the problem but there has been no plan b in case Trott fails like he has. That's were the England management haven't covered themselves in glory too. They try out lots of players for the middle order positions but there should be someone there putting pressure on the likes or Trott, Pieterson and even Cook to really perform. I'm not saying chop and change just for the sake of it but at the moment we look all out of sorts.
 
Trescothick, Yardy and now Trott.

Something needs to be done about this. Whether it's more support or less cricket. We can't keep driving players to mental illness.
 
Anyone else feel that Clarke was harshly fined 20% of his match fees. What he said to Anderson wasn't particularly bad.

Also shame about Trott.
 
KM said:
Anyone else feel that Clarke was harshly fined 20% of his match fees. What he said to Anderson wasn't particularly bad.
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Not really. If comments about breaking someone's arm aren't crossing the line then I'm not really sure what is.
Also shame about Trott.
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It is. End of his career, I fear.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Not really. If comments about breaking someone's arm aren't crossing the line then I'm not really sure what is.

It is. End of his career, I fear.
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He did not say he was going to break it. He said it will be broken. I am sure much worse is being said by fast bowlers all the time
 
crappycraperson said:
He did not say he was going to break it. He said it will be broken. I am sure much worse is being said by fast bowlers all the time
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I know what he said.

It doesn't matter what others may have gotten away with. He got caught saying it, in a high profile test match. He deserves a fine.
 
Think it's been blown out of proportion. Lot of faux aggression from the Aussies.

They haven't got the talent to back it up and it seems a little forced. Michael Clarke looks soft.. I think everyone knows he was forcing it.
 
When's the next test match starting?

I can see them pushing up Bell to no.3, getting a new middle order batter and dropping Tremlett for Finn.

Finn is too good a talent to be dropped.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I know what he said.

It doesn't matter what others may have gotten away with. He got caught saying it, in a high profile test match. He deserves a fine.
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Why?

It was nothing offensive. It was a nothing comment really.
 
5th December.

Bell the obvious choice at #3.. think that'll serve them well..

Pretty tough for a debutant to come in. They ought to call up Morgan.. I know he's done feck all in first class cricket but he's a courageous player. Stick him in at #6.
 
Nah Morgan is brilliant in ODI's but have been found wanting in Test. Reminds me of Yuvraj Singh.

What are the other options?
Taylor or Bairstow?
 
KM said:
Nah Morgan is brilliant in ODI's but have been found wanting in Test. Reminds me of Yuvraj Singh.

What are the other options?
Taylor or Bairstow?
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Ballance and Bairstow.

No one's been called up so it will be Bell at three with one of those in the middle order.

EDIT: Or possibly Stokes but I'd be very surprised.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Because it's against the laws of the game. You get away with so much but not saying someone's going to get a "broken fecking arm".
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You're over-reacting I think. I am sure that worse things than this have been said on the cricket pitch.

A fielder saying to a bowler that you're going to get a broken fecking arm is a bit stupid, but offensive?
Nope.
 
KM said:
You're over-reacting I think. I am sure that worse things than this have been said on the cricket pitch.

A fielder saying to a bowler that you're going to get a broken fecking arm is a bit stupid, but offensive?
Nope.
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You get fined for pointing to the pavilion when you get someone out. Or complaining too much about a decision. This is not remotely disproportionate.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Because it's against the laws of the game. You get away with so much but not saying someone's going to get a "broken fecking arm".
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You're genuinely arguing that a captain getting fined 20% of their match fee for being caught saying you're gonna get a broken fecking arm is disproportionate? feck me.

I just don't know what to say to that, have you never heard of the spirit of cricket?
 
Shame about Trott. I think Root will move back up the order and Bairstow comes in to the side.
 
Worth reading Warne's comments about this matter.

Shane Warne has called the ICC's decision to fine Michael Clarke "a disgrace", claiming that Clarke was only standing up for his players after James Anderson threatened to punch George Bailey in the face.
No such comment from Anderson was aired on the television coverage via the stump microphone but Warne, who was commentating on the Gabba Test for Channel Nine and Sky Sports, tweeted on Monday night that "we all heard Anderson's sledge that led to Clarke reacting".
Clarke and Anderson were involved in a heated discussion during the final stages of Australia's victory in Brisbane on Sunday and the stump microphone picked up Clarke telling Anderson he should "get ready for a broken f***ing arm".
Clarke was subsequently fined 20% of his match feefor a breach of the ICC Code of Conduct for the comments but Warne claimed in a series of tweets on Monday that Clarke had only "stuck up for his debutant Bailey".
"On another note, I think it's a disgrace that @MClarke23 has been fined. What about what Jimmy Anderson said to Bailey, which wasn't heard," Warne initially tweeted. "@MClarke23 stuck up for his debutant Bailey as he should have too as Capt after Anderson said he wanted to punch Bailey in the face!"


"Unfortunately only Clarke's reaction to Anderson's was heard live, we all heard Anderson's sledge that led to Clarke reacting! To me it should just stay out in the middle. They all shook hands had a giggle & moved on. By fining Clarke it's made a big deal out of it.
"Everyone should have just laughed, moved on & be thankful for ashes fever. Bring on Adelaide I'm sure both teams are saying. As an international sportsman, if you decide to dish it out sledging you have to be prepared to cop it back too & not complain."


Bailey was fielding under the helmet in close during the final stages of the match and was seen exchanging words with Anderson, the England No. 11.
Bailey was asked about the incidents when he arrived in Hobart on Monday but he was unwilling to elaborate on what had led to Anderson approaching him. "I'm not sure, he must have been a bit upset by the way the game was going, I guess," Bailey said.
Clarke accepted the charge laid by on-field umpire Kumar Dharmasena and third official Marais Erasmus, meaning there was no need for a disciplinary hearing.
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Fiskey said:
You're genuinely arguing that a captain getting fined 20% of their match fee for being caught saying you're gonna get a broken fecking arm is disproportionate? feck me.

I just don't know what to say to that, have you never heard of the spirit of cricket?
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Did you mean to quote me? I'm arguing quite the opposite, Fiskey.
 
So, Warne's tweeted that Clarke came up to Anderson because Anderson told Bailey he wanted to punch him in the face.

I'm completely unsurprised. Anderson seems to put on a wanker persona on the field. Seems nice enough off it.

Warne's since deleted the tweet.
 
Bresnan's nailed on to come back in to the team when he's fit, after he did well in the summer his place is safe. I'm not his biggest fan but his record against Australia is good. As he can bat I guess that could open the possibility of picking Finn too and going with 5 bowlers, but I doubt with England's batting fragility they'll go for that.

Bairstow is pretty certain to come in I think, although I really doubt his mentality. Really not the man you want to see walking out when there's pressure. Frankly i'd much prefer Ballance, he deserves his chance, but I can't see with the upheaval of Trott leaving, and Carberry being so new that they'll go for more inexperience in the batting line up.
 
zing said:
So, Warne's tweeted that Clarke came up to Anderson because Anderson told Bailey he wanted to punch him in the face.

I'm completely unsurprised. Anderson seems to put on a wanker persona on the field. Seems nice enough off it.

Warne's since deleted the tweet.
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You should take Warne's words with a pinch of salt. Anderson just randomly went to Bailey and said he wanted to punch him in the face? Pretty sure the fielders start the talking.

I used to be a wicket keeper and I 'discovered' the art of sledging from the Aussies and tried on the field, to surprisingly good results. Usually shouts of continuous 'Well left, mate' after a batsman is comprehensively beaten by a good ball invariably results with batsmen slashing out, and 'Oooh, just inches' after a wide too had similar effect. Very funny if someone never heard of wicket keepers sledging, the way they get angry is really funny.

I believe you have to be a bit creative to keep up or the novelty soon wears away (Well bowled Warney! by NZ wicket keeper to Cullinan was genuinely funny)
 
Really sad about Trott, hope he pulls through.

Interesting to see how much England re-jig. For once i actually think we should.
 
Trott's my favourite of England's batting, it's a shame to see him go. Mental illness is a horrible thing.

There really is no love lost between us and the Aussies, I hope we smash them in the next Tests. Wankers.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Trott's my favourite of England's batting, it's a shame to see him go. Mental illness is a horrible thing.

There really is no love lost between us and the Aussies, I hope we smash them in the next Tests. Wankers.
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Sorry if that comes across as a bit cnutish but really?

Not KP, Bell or Cook?
 
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