Is there a reason we don't even attempt to sign midfielders this good?
Running out of options...
Running out of options...
Arturo Vidal to Move?
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Thought he was a winger...
Him and Sahin would have been great options from Bundesliga, both have moved to other teams for relatively small money. Indeed I find it kind of strange that plenty of quality midfielders have moved around for unimpressive money yet we haven't targeted any of them.
Götze seems to be the player with the biggest future
He isn't moving though and Borussia have already lost their best midfielder so I wouldn't expect him to move anytime soon and not for reasonable money anyway. Doesn't he also play more as a wingr with Sahin and Kagawa in the middle? They seem to switch positions at Dortmund too.
Juve have got themselves a star
We don't sign midfielders, that's not our thing. Wingers, centre-backs and a few strikers every year, that's what we do.
Probably plenty of reasons, yes. The primary one I would suggest is because we're seemingly looking for someone with class (i.e Scholes-replacement) rather than someone with drive (Keane-replacement). We don't sign players because they're available we sign them because they're the right fit.
To be honest we need both, besides Scholes should have been replace before he retired so it's an obvious mistake from us to postpone this until now, especially as all three of our rumoured main targets at the moment have moved to another clubs since 2008 for relatively low fees. We should be identifying these players earlier.
We signed plenty of players in the past just because they were available. Only this season neither Young nor Jones was an absolute necessity but we got them anyway because they were available and give us more options. Also, they have potential, well, at least Jones has.
All that applies to Vidal as well and Sahin and plenty of other midfielders yet we never seem to go for them. We stockpile cover in every position but midfield where Fergie is seemingly content to play wingers or full-backs instead of adding to the depth.
While we spack around not signing anyone, another CM option bites the dust
I do think that we are looking at bringing in a midfielder this summer, and I don't think Jones has been brought in as that midfielder so am assuming we're still in the market. I've never seen this guy play (that I'm aware of at least) but obviously this guy isn't one of the options Fergie is looking at, so I'm optimistic that we're looking at someone better.
He's a muppet's dream target, I agree. Amazingly skillful, good dribbler, outstanding football brain and very mature, comparable to Bayern's Thomas Mueller in this regard.
But he basically plays Rooney's position or one of the the wing positions in Dortmund's 4-2-3-1 system... he is not suited to play in central midfield in a 4-4-2.
I still can't see why we didn't at least inquire (well, maybe we did) for Vidal, his potential is huge and he has shown that he is on his way to become one of the best in Europe in his position. Certainly the best and most consistent CM in Germany last season.
You don't think Vidal would be a good fit Brwned? I think he'd be a fantastic fit myself. A Scholes replacement (is there such a thing?) isn't the only thing that's needed in the middle of the park. Vidal would be a fantastic addition to that squad and he was €12m! Utter bargain.
it's not like we haven't been letting other targets pass us by without even attempting to make a bid either.
I presume the major reason is that either:
a) Fergie doesnt think they are up to it and/or the type of player we need; or
b) The player has a preference to go to another club.
United hav scouts posted around the world paying handsomely. I doubt many players slip under the radar.
Don't let any of the Sahin fan club hear you say that.
Am I the only one who does not rate Vidal that highly?
I mean, he is a top player but in the big games last season I saw him, he failed to convince me - namely against Dortmund at home and Bayern away where he seemed invisible in the middle of the park. I watched the Bundesliga highlights and he did have a very good season, but wouldn't strengthen our side, mainly the position where we are in need. He's a box-to-box warrior but lacks the innovative part, the creativity.
Sorry, got to disagree here, Anduin. Nuri Sahin was better than Vidal and was rightly named the Bundesliga's best player last season.
Unless we want to play three in the middle I don't think there's any need (or more importantly, space) to have another two come in. It seems a bit short-termist. We've already got Carrick, Fletcher and Anderson and unless we give up on one of them as capable of playing a large number of first team games then I don't see where another signing fits in. I don't think Carrick's contract extension was signed with the idea he was going to be a regular back-up nor do I expect us to have given up hope on Anderson after some promising signs last season especially towards the end.
I imagine we had doubts about these players before they moved. Sneijder was offered ridiculously high wages to move to Inter and we might not have been willing to pay this until he proved himself further, he did. £17m was a lot to pay on a player who had only proven himself in a small number of games at a high level, there were possibly concerns about his ability to adapt - this wasn't just us this was Arsenal and Chelsea who looked at him and didn't go for him at that fee. Wenger has a better setup in France, he has more contacts and he generally picks up on these players earlier - that's just something we have to accept, it's the case for Wenger compared to pretty much any other manager outside France.
It seems like a relatively minor thing to complain about, we've an excellent scouting and transfer setup but we can't get them all.
We signed Young because we wanted another pacey winger probably with the intention of allowing Giggs (and Park) to play more in central positions, and presumably have had an eye on him as a potential target for a while just waiting for the opportunity to sign him at a reasonable price. We signed Jones because he was someone that was deemed too good to turn down and there is room for three high quality centre backs.
We didn't sign Vidal because we didn't want him, you'd think. Just because he was available doesn't make us want to get him more - if he wasn't deemed suitable then that wasn't going to change regardless of his transfer status. And Sahin just didn't seem to be an option, like Ozil, like many others we surely looked at.
I agree that he's currently best in an attacking role and early signs are he always will be, but you cant deny he has the skillset to play as a centre mid. In fact he did play there in the last game of the season v Eintracht Frankfurt and was very impressive; kept the play moving well, rarely gave it away, defensively disciplined (of course) and yet still very influential going forward.
I am interested to see where he ends up full time because his comfortability in possession and intelligence suggest the centre but he's got the mindset of an attacker rather than a midfielder, IMO. Probably won't be that interesting and he'll end up just behind the striker. A floating three of him, Muller and Ozil is going to be very hard to deal with for any team in 2014.
I think Vidal's very good but I don't think we need two midfielders. Great value and all that but if he isn't needed then that's all there is to it. If Fletcher or Carrick regress or Anderson doesn't progress as we'd like then it wouldn't be all that strange to see us sign another midfielder next year but I don't think we're there yet.
Maybe Tunniclife can be our Vidal.
You say that as if it's this disgraceful act, just pure incompetence...we let our targets go by because they chose to go (or stay) somewhere else, what's wrong with that?
I agree that we could use two, Giggs is going to be 38, Park is not a CM and Fletcher has went from poor form to being long term ill by all accounts. That really leaves us short on options going into the season.
Hopefully because we're looking at ones that pass the ball better. If we sign a Hargreaves replacement/Fletcher competition/cover player then it might be strange that we didnt look at Vidal. But who knows if we will? Plus we have signed Jones who played that role last season
I watched him for the fourth time this season the other day for Juve and I can't help but feel that he would have been an excellent signing for United/ Unfortunately, United didn't know about Fletcher's condition until it was too late to sign Vidal. He would have offered United a valuable box-to-box contributor unlike the others at the club bar Fletcher and Anderson when healthy.
in the summer we will probably buy a cover for a cover. I doubt we will sign someone who would start every game. i hope im wrong.
He's been very good for Juventus this season. Juventus played with a 3-5-2 over the weekend, it's difficult to know if he'll fit into our system.
Swap for Pogba?
He can play fullback, wing, center back , defensive midfield, attacking midfield and as a box to box player. He is one of the few genuine masters of many trades playing in world football today.
United have known about Fletcher's condition for years. What they didn't know was that it would flair up this badly.
If Italian football and Juve are dragging themselves through the mud, again, why not a cheeky bid for Vidal? 15-20 mill might do it. Brilliant Midfielder, CM/DM/BTB can cover other positions.
Vidal, Kagawa and Lavezzi anyone?
Vidal, Kagawa and Lavezzi anyone?
I haven't look in detail about the new Italian scandal (Actually Im fed up of these scandals which are crippling the Serie A). However from the looks of it, its not Juventus who are in trouble but their manager Antonio Conte (through previous posts).
He is joining Bayern according to Di Marzio. € 40 milion fee.
Replacement, though not like for like, for Schweinsteiger I suppose.
Why bump a thread that's like 4 years old?
some people just like to watch the world burn.
ffs..if only
Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with.
He'll be great for them
Hmm. Just searched for Vidal in the transfer forum and this came up. Apologies if it wasn't okay.
He is better than current Bastian
Some gems in here.
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