Arnold/Murtough would have an easier life under new owners.

UnitedSofa

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I believe that Arnold/Murtough have the clubs best interest at heart, much more so than under Woodward.

Murtough was hamstrung under Woodward in his first year as DoF as Woodward was still essentially pulling the strings. Now Woodward has gone, Murtough has FULL control of the football side of things and only needs sign off from Arnold for the money. While Arnold is hamstrung by the owners.

We have corrected one side of the puzzle (Woodward) and seemingly have a proper footballing structure in place and I fully expect that to be complete once we replace the two head scouts that left the club at the start of the season.

A large portion of the issues we're facing, when you think about it is fecking money. Glazers do dip into the pocket and spend LOADS on the football transfers, that much is undeniable. But it always seems to be like getting blood out of a stone.

So in my opinion under new ownership, where the owners are willing to spend more on the players and even more on the wider aspects and issues of the club, I think we're going to be right up there in terms of a smooth football structure that is much better than what we are facing now.

Because lets be honest, if the Glazers wanted to spend in Jan they could, we almost never spend money in Jan, it's generally in the Summer. So it's clear that there is a financial reason behind that. (Money from league position and cup runs)

If we had different owners, we'd have had Gakpo signing for us. (I mean this post could be wrong if one of the two bids for Enzo Fernandes is one of us, but there we go, I think the point still ultimately stands)
 
Glazers can take them both with them and there'd be no tears from me
 
mitchmouse said:
Glazers can take them both with them and there'd be no tears from me
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Both can definitely be true.

There’s zero sign of either of them being poor at their jobs, in fact going off the changes post Woodward (Ten Hag, the signings, the scouting overhaul) signs are that they probably are good and would see us improve.

That being said, if a new owner were to being in their own people, they may well be even better, and also not be tainted (whether fairly or unfairly it’s impossible for us to say) with the stink of the Glazer/Woodward regime.
 
They will be the first to be given their notice under new ownership
 
If the new owners have any sense, the first thing they will do is sack both.
 
They are middle men who took the jobs knowing what the Glazers were like and knowing they’d have very little control. I’d be surprised if either lasted very long if/when the takeover goes through.
 
Any sensible new owner and those two jokers would be out the door first thing.
 
I don't know about Arnold but Murtough will be sacked first day when new owners come in. Guy is just incompetent
 
I'm constantly amazed by the level of knowledge people on here have of the inner workings of the club, to the extent that they can say with complete confidence that Murtough and Arnold are doing shit jobs and that sensible people would give them the sack immediately.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
I'm constantly amazed by the level of knowledge people on here have of the inner workings of the club, to the extent that they can say with complete confidence that Murtough and Arnold are doing shit jobs and that sensible people would give them the sack immediately.
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Both worked very closely with Woodward and contributed to over a decade of failure, it’s fairly simple logic to assume they would be pretty lucky to survive if anyone competent and ambitious took over.
 
New owners would be instant legends if they sacked both.
 
Roboc7 said:
Both worked very closely with Woodward and contributed to over a decade of failure, it’s fairly simple logic to assume they would be pretty lucky to survive if anyone competent and ambitious took over.
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No they fecking didn't :lol: :lol: :lol:

For a start Murtough worked with the women's team mostly and also worked on the youth development side under Moyes.

Richard Arnold you could make a case for as he worked on the commercial side, which has been very successful in the last decade plus.
 
UnitedSofa said:
No they fecking didn't :lol: :lol: :lol:

For a start Murtough worked with the women's team mostly and also worked on the youth development side under Moyes.

Richard Arnold you could make a case for as he worked on the commercial side, which has been very successful in the last decade plus.
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That’s an absolute shocker of a post, not sure where to even start with it .
 
UnitedSofa said:
I believe that Arnold/Murtough have the clubs best interest at heart, much more so than under Woodward.

Murtough was hamstrung under Woodward in his first year as DoF as Woodward was still essentially pulling the strings. Now Woodward has gone, Murtough has FULL control of the football side of things and only needs sign off from Arnold for the money. While Arnold is hamstrung by the owners.

We have corrected one side of the puzzle (Woodward) and seemingly have a proper footballing structure in place and I fully expect that to be complete once we replace the two head scouts that left the club at the start of the season.

A large portion of the issues we're facing, when you think about it is fecking money. Glazers do dip into the pocket and spend LOADS on the football transfers, that much is undeniable. But it always seems to be like getting blood out of a stone.

So in my opinion under new ownership, where the owners are willing to spend more on the players and even more on the wider aspects and issues of the club, I think we're going to be right up there in terms of a smooth football structure that is much better than what we are facing now.

Because lets be honest, if the Glazers wanted to spend in Jan they could, we almost never spend money in Jan, it's generally in the Summer. So it's clear that there is a financial reason behind that. (Money from league position and cup runs)

If we had different owners, we'd have had Gakpo signing for us. (I mean this post could be wrong if one of the two bids for Enzo Fernandes is one of us, but there we go, I think the point still ultimately stands)
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This is hilarious.

They'll be unemployed under the new owners.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
I'm constantly amazed by the level of knowledge people on here have of the inner workings of the club, to the extent that they can say with complete confidence that Murtough and Arnold are doing shit jobs and that sensible people would give them the sack immediately.
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The proof is in the pudding and we've continued missing out on good players that continue to move to other clubs.

They're shit until they prove they can sign players like De Jong, Diaz, Nkunku, Nunez, Gakpo.

So far we've had to spend an arm and a leg to sign Casemiro, Antony and Martinez.

Only Antony seemed Ten Hags first choice for the position.

Until we get the number 1 targets these guys should be on the chopping block when the new owners come in.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I don't know about Arnold but Murtough will be sacked first day when new owners come in. Guy is just incompetent
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What is this based on exactly? Haven't paid much attention for a few months.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
The proof is in the pudding and we've continued missing out on good players that continue to move to other clubs.

They're shit until they prove they can sign players like De Jong, Diaz, Nkunku, Nunez, Gakpo.

So far we've had to spend an arm and a leg to sign Casemiro, Antony and Martinez.

Only Antony seemed Ten Hags first choice for the position.

Until we get the number 1 targets these guys should be on the chopping block when the new owners come in.
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De Jong - Clearly doesn't want to come here
Diaz, Nkunku - Were we even in for them at all?
Nunez - IIRC after the €100M price tag we ducked out - rightfully so. If we'd signed him, you'd be the first to call them incompetent, considering how shite he's been.
Gakpo - I can probably give you that one.

We can't sign every good player in the world for crying out loud.
 
So much completely baseless guesswork. For all we know the Arnold and Murtough duo are just as clueless as Ed was, it's funny how these 2 are often seen as our saviours although they did absolutely nothing to warrant that.
 
UnitedSofa said:
De Jong - Clearly doesn't want to come here
Diaz, Nkunku - Were we even in for them at all?
Nunez - IIRC after the €100M price tag we ducked out - rightfully so. If we'd signed him, you'd be the first to call them incompetent, considering how shite he's been.
Gakpo - I can probably give you that one.

We can't sign every good player in the world for crying out loud.
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So why did we waste the whole summer chasing De Jong?

Why weren't we in for Diaz or Nkunku? When they were identified as good targets by Rangnick?

Nunez would have been a good signing for us.

Gakpo..... We shit the bed
 
dove said:
So much completely baseless guesswork. For all we know the Arnold and Murtough duo are just as clueless as Ed was, it's funny how these 2 are often seen as our saviours although they did absolutely nothing to warrant that.
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Both I would imagine will be gone with the Glazers by Q2 or the summer whenever the clubs sale is completed. I don't see a case for keeping any of them.
 
They'd both get sacked, and so would Erik Ten Hag most likely.

New regimes like to get their own people in
 
MrSingh2002 said:
So why did we waste the whole summer chasing De Jong?

Why weren't we in for Diaz or Nkunku? When they were identified as good targets by Rangnick?

Nunez would have been a good signing for us.

Gakpo..... We shit the bed
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Also don't forget Caicedo the club refused, Enzo Fernandez before he moved to benefica. The club overpaid for Antony and it negatively impacted the winter / summer budget which was well reported. Overspent on Casemiro.

I think the only good business move that materialised was Martinez. If Murtough is as efficient as he is highly praised on here, the club should be signing an unknown forward for a relatively decent price in January who ETH can mould into a regular due to the scouting revamp.

The issue with Murtough and Arnold is for all the noise concerning their support there's little evidence and manifestation of their influence. That's where things don't stack up there's no substance behind anything they've done.
 
Roboc7 said:
That’s an absolute shocker of a post, not sure where to even start with it .
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Hmmmmmm.......

Roboc7 said:
Sorry but rarely do you see such a badly informed post by someone so patronising, and doing it twice was brilliant.
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But seeing as you know so much. Do inform me. But considering they both worked in completely different departments that Woodward didn't have anywhere near the involvement that he does/did for the first team, I very much doubt there would be any need to take influence from him. That they would continue peddling the same stuff or work like Woodward AFTER he has left the club. The mind just boggles that you think that two employees of a company would continue to run the club in the same way that an ex-employee did. For a start Murtough allegedly started in a swift manner not long after Woodward left (two head scouts leaving) in fixing the football structure.

Nothing was built in a day. Give them time. It's been a year to 18 months!
 
I’d be very surprised if either of them will remain after the takeover.

The new owners will probably look to appoint a new CEO.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Hmmmmmm.......



But seeing as you know so much. Do inform me. But considering they both worked in completely different departments that Woodward didn't have anywhere near the involvement that he does/did for the first team, I very much doubt there would be any need to take influence from him. That they would continue peddling the same stuff or work like Woodward AFTER he has left the club. The mind just boggles that you think that two employees of a company would continue to run the club in the same way that an ex-employee did. For a start Murtough allegedly started in a swift manner not long after Woodward left (two head scouts leaving) in fixing the football structure.

Nothing was built in a day. Give them time. It's been a year to 18 months!
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You are posting so much nonsense I genuinely don’t know where to start. I’m not quite sure how your mind is boggling about something you’ve invented yourself, another shocker I’m afraid.
 
Roboc7 said:
You are posting so much nonsense I genuinely don’t know where to start. I’m not quite sure how your mind is boggling about something you’ve invented yourself, another shocker I’m afraid.
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The fact that you can't even back up your own point and would rather point our how "shocking" my post is, says there's nothing really substantial that you have to say on the matter. That's now a few times you've avoided it and hid behind the whole "it's so shocking, I'm not going to bother responding" line it's laughable.
 
I'm not so sure about this. They may actually have a life where they're out the door very quickly.

The problem is, whatever their competence is (and I'd say that remains under question) - the bottom line is they're associated with the previous owners. They were appointed by them, and Arnold in particular can be seen as a bit of a Glazer frontman.

That's not likely to be a situation a new owner is fond of. They would usually like a clean slate, especially when the PR associated with the previous owners is so poor. What better way to make an entrance than sweep the place clear?

The other thing is, they're not at the top of their field. Usually when you come into a business it's pretty important to identify and retain the absolute top talent. These guys are not it, so their CV offers no refuge.
 
Within seconds of the takeover being completed, these two jokers need drop-kicking out of the door. They have done literally nothing to turn things around, bar appointing ETH, the hamstrung him with clueless transfer activity. They were appointed by choice by the owners and Woodward and therefore it is unsurprising that the idiocy of our operations has continued. By keeping them on the serpent simply grew two new heads.
 
Vary rarely does club ownership change hands and the CEO remains. Good chance both will be gone.
 
Most of the time new owners will mean a new administration team. I don't mind if we retain then both. Arnold can return to marketing while Murtough can return to the youth academy/women team. However we need specialist/experienced CEOs/DOFs
 
You actually think Murtough and Arnold would be permitted to stick around by new owners who actually have ambition? Delusional. New owners need to clean house on the football operations side and bring in a proper DOF.
 
UnitedSofa said:
The fact that you can't even back up your own point and would rather point our how "shocking" my post is, says there's nothing really substantial that you have to say on the matter. That's now a few times you've avoided it and hid behind the whole "it's so shocking, I'm not going to bother responding" line it's laughable.
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You are just so far wide of the mark I don’t know where to start, when you managed to make up something and confuse yourself I didn’t really see the point of even trying.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
I'm constantly amazed by the level of knowledge people on here have of the inner workings of the club, to the extent that they can say with complete confidence that Murtough and Arnold are doing shit jobs and that sensible people would give them the sack immediately.
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Don't you know that those posters know all the ins and outs of the way Manchester United is run? They're very knowledeable people, don't you know.
 
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