Are we the worst run elite club in the world? If not us then who?

I'd say that our financial position (whether we like it or not, as fans) alone makes it unreasonable to claim we're the worst run “elite” club in Europe. We're a club that has kept sticking to the classic British managerial model – which involves an inherent risk: If the bloke isn't up to scratch, the club will (obviously) struggle results wise. Plus, it's an expensive model – if you intend to keep challenging, that is. You have to hire new managers, at great cost, who will need new players, at an even greater cost, etc. The continuity a different, more continental structure can potentially ensure, isn't there – obviously.

But we have the money. And the owners are clearly willing to splash it. I can't say I like this approach (keep hiring, keep buying, until it clicks), but if Mourinho now gets it right, I don't think one can claim that it absolutely doesn't work. A few seasons in relative turmoil after Fergie's retirement (but with ever more cash flowing in, in spite of poor results), then back to challenging properly – it's hardly shockingly bad.

While I don't think that the club is terribly run because of what you mentioned. We clearly have a problem with the sporting aspect of the club who seemed amateurish until the appointment of Butt who seems to be full of ideas and fairly decisive.
As for Mourinho, the club just hired the most reputable manager available on the market, you can't really criticize them for that but at the same time you can ask yourself what they would do if he wasn't available, they don't seem to have a clear profile for the United manager job.
 
If you define elite as the top 5 clubs in turnover then OP's question is very easily answered with a yes and I think the most obvious reason for it is that United apparently completely lack any kind of strong DoF figure.

I don't get these kind of posts. Isn't United struggling massively in Europe too? Even when they had their recent slumps Bayern and Real always made it out of group stages.

Looking at transfer net spent over the past 5 seasons [according to Transfermarkt]:
United is right behind City at second with €550m
Barca have €300m
Bayern have €211m
Real have €189m

If you put that in relation to the performance on the pitch those numbers are completely insane. Part of that difference might be due to Real's and Barca's wage bill (which I assume is huge because of their "Galacticos"), but Bayern's isn't that high.

I think if you asked most opposition fans on here, especially those supporting German clubs, they'd all say the same thing. I'm surprised that the Glazers, who come from the US where a GM/coach setup is prevalent in every major sport and has been for decades, haven't mandated a structure like this yet.
 
I'd say that our financial position (whether we like it or not, as fans) alone makes it unreasonable to claim we're the worst run “elite” club in Europe. We're a club that has kept sticking to the classic British managerial model – which involves an inherent risk: If the bloke isn't up to scratch, the club will (obviously) struggle results wise. Plus, it's an expensive model – if you intend to keep challenging, that is. You have to hire new managers, at great cost, who will need new players, at an even greater cost, etc. The continuity a different, more continental structure can potentially ensure, isn't there – obviously.

I understand calling it a "classic British managerial model" is not necessarily inaccurate, but it's about the nicest phrase you could use for outdated in this context. Even in Britain, if you look at all the clubs in the top half of the table currently, the only clubs that operate this way still are United and Arsenal. The only other club in the league that comes to mind that operates this way is Palace (I think). Even the British are abandoning this model.

And when you say continental, it's literally every other major sporting league in the world. You'll see outliers like Belichick in the NFL or Doc Rivers in the NBA, but pretty much every other top league in any major sport uses this structure. This is just one area where the club is clinging onto tradition for the wrong reasons.
 
As for Mourinho, the club just hired the most reputable manager available on the market, you can't really criticize them for that but at the same time you can ask yourself what they would do if he wasn't available, they don't seem to have a clear profile for the United manager job.

Well, that's the (absurd, to some, no doubt) core of the model: Don't meddle, just hire someone and let them get on with it. Woody isn't a football man (as we keep saying – but it's true), so that entire part is, well, not a part of the equation. If we want profiles drawn up, and managers hired based on the latter, we have to restructure the whole operation.

The Glazers are clever people. One can only assume the reason they haven't insisted on a DoF model of some description is twofold: 1) They've seen the current model work wonders under Fergie and 2) We're as impressive as a “brand” as we're underwhelming on the pitch. And the former is clearly what matters most to them.

To play devil's advocate (because, like I said above, I don't actually like what we're seemingly doing), if Mourinho gets us going again to a reasonable degree on the pitch, we're essentially back to where we were before Fergie retired: A highly successful club both on and off the pitch – in spite of what people call an antiquated approach.
 
To play devil's advocate (because, like I said above, I don't actually like what we're seemingly doing), if Mourinho gets us going again to a reasonable degree on the pitch, we're essentially back to where we were before Fergie retired: A highly successful club both on and off the pitch – in spite of what people call an antiquated approach.

That's the thing that worries me, what if Mourinho has to stop being a manager, what do we do? What if he fails after 3 or 4 years of success?
 
I just want to know what is going with Mhkitaryan.

Apparently he is fit, but Mou won't play him?
 
That's the thing that worries me, what if Mourinho has to stop being a manager, what do we do? What if he fails after 3 or 4 years of success?
What if your director of football is Joe kinnear?
 
Real Madrid if you ask me. Not that they're not successful obviously, but the lack of class is just staggering. The sacking of Ancelotti just one example.
 
Among the clubs in the main leagues I'd say Valencia. Milan and Inter are in a difficult situation lately but maybe it's simply lack of money.
 
That's the thing that worries me, what if Mourinho has to stop being a manager, what do we do? What if he fails after 3 or 4 years of success?
I'd take that in fairness

Then after you start again

Gonna be pretty damn hard to get 2 and a half decades of continued success again
 
I'd take that in fairness

Then after you start again

Gonna be pretty damn hard to get 2 and a half decades of continued success again

And I prefer to not put the success of a club on the shoulders of a single man, particularly when I actually have the ability to avoid that. I prefer to not see United completely lost because of a head coach.

What if your director of football is Joe kinnear?
Why would anyone hire Joe Kinnear as a director of football?

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