Are transfers really that easy? 2 months are enough?

[Eboue]

That's probably exactly what they were doing.

Possible. But they didn't have to be, as the OP implies.

 

[The Man Himself]

After the long post it really only comes down to this.

Fans in 'we support the club so therefore we think we know everything that goes on and think we control it' shocker. Bottom line even under your point is that we know less than feck all about what happens and we've gone a bit to far in trying to vicariously live our lives AS the club. Invested personal emotions in what is literally watching 22 blokes kick a ball around a paddock a couple of days a week.

Fans need to disconnect, stop over-analyzing every little minute detail and revitalize why they LOVE the club. Not why they aren't doing what they think the club should be doing.

True. As someone has pointed out here, fans rely a lot on what media tells them and then use it to form opinions without thinknig it through. Take case of Herrera for example. I am also feeling bad for player but such things happen sometimes. Unless we know both sides of story, it is not right to go on blaming club. It is possible that we had to pay further 6m or so on top of 31m pounds due to complexities and clearly that is excessive. The disappointing thing is, I am sure 90% of us have not seen him play regularly before but suddenly because we are short in midfield, we should pay 35m-40m whatever for a player just because he is Spanish midfielder.

 

[The Man Himself]

Two months? Are you under the impression that your executives just sat around eating Cheetos and watching Breaking Bad reruns until Moyes officially took the job on July 1st?

There were changes on executive side as well and as I have pointed out, they will work on commerical and other aspects of signing a player once the manager and his staff finalizes on a player. The backroom staff changed in wholesale and Moyes was right in having a first hand look at squad and deciding on potential transfers. He is not a puppet to just go by transfers identified by previous regime.

If the problems were like that of Arsenal where club is trophyless for 9 years and still not spending on weak areas after having money to spen, then it is justifable. Passing judgements on something which one clearly doesn't know in full detail and not giving the management enough time to prove their competency is not.
Being sad about overall transfer window, yes, perfectly normal. Pointinn out that there might be few errors done by whole management team- again, normal. Hysterically blaming Woodward left and right for everything and calling him all sort of things is not.

 

[Eboue]

There were changes on executive side as well and as I have pointed out, they will work on commerical and other aspects of signing a player once the manager and his staff finalizes on a player. The backroom staff changed in wholesale and Moyes was right in having a first hand look at squad and deciding on potential transfers. He is not a puppet to just go by transfers identified by previous regime.

If the problems were like that of Arsenal where club is trophyless for 9 years and still not spending on weak areas after having money to spen, then it is justifable. Passing judgements on something which one clearly doesn't know in full detail and not giving the management enough time to prove their competency is not.
Being sad about overall transfer window, yes, perfectly normal. Pointinn out that there might be few errors done by whole management team- again, normal. Hysterically blaming Woodward left and right for everything and calling him all sort of things is not.

You don't think that when Moyes was offered the job, there were discussions about how to improve the squad? It was announced back in May. Couldn't someone pick up a phone and ask Moyes which players he was interested in? You keep bringing up "two months" and "not enough time" as if other clubs didn't have the same issues to deal with.

No one is ever going to have full detail about basically anything. If people aren't allowed to have opinions without full detail, it will be a pretty inactive forum. I don't know what people have been calling this Woodward guy but you are stretching to make excuses.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Easy enough for all the other clubs but obviously too fecking difficult for us.

 

[The Man Himself]

You don't think that when Moyes was offered the job, there were discussions about how to improve the squad? It was announced back in May. Couldn't someone pick up a phone and ask Moyes which players he was interested in? You keep bringing up "two months" and "not enough time" as if other clubs didn't have the same issues to deal with.

No one is ever going to have full detail about basically anything. If people aren't allowed to have opinions without full detail, it will be a pretty inactive forum. I don't know what people have been calling this Woodward guy but you are stretching to make excuses.

So you mean to keep forum active we should pass judgements on half knowledge? Then again, I haven't stopped people expressing their opinion. In fact, I have just expressed mine.

 

[Eboue]

So you mean to keep forum active we should pass judgements on half knowledge? Then again, I haven't stopped people expressing their opinion. In fact, I have just expressed mine.

Yeah, we should. If any of us had full knowledge, we would probably be working for a club instead of spending our time posting on the internet.

 

[Mister Ed]

If you do it the normal way, 2 months is more than enough time get all your business done.

But if you do it the Moyes way, you may have years and still not have enough time to complete your business. He is so uninspired and uncreative in terms of targets and he is also very nitpikcy and undecisive. He is always playing it on the save side of things, taking no risks, making ridiculous bids, until he realises he won't get any targets this way, at which point it is 23:45 on the deadline day and he has to rush to get some deals done, most of them falling through because he was too late, the rest not being his first or even second choice and being clearly overpaid.

 

[Freak]

If transfers are so hard to do and take a few days to a week etc to prepare and submit bids, the how could clubs submit and sign players on transfer deadline day itself? I reckon it's piss poor management that's making ot seem like transfers are complicated.

 

[Mister Ed]

Yeah, we should. If any of us had full knowledge, we would probably be working for a club instead of spending our time posting on the internet.

Ridiculous statement....

If you can only expres your opinion with full knowledge of things, we should never be discussing club affairs, because the only people with full knowledge about the business of Manchester United are the managers and the excecutives of the club. Would be awfully quiet on a forum like this.

There are plenty of people with enough knowledge and experience who can make a sensible judgement of these kind of things. The business at our football club is not so very different from any other football club, and it is hardly rocket science anyway. Sure we don't know all details and all complexities, but it is not hard to see we made mess of this summer, and most is due to us leaving our business way too late in the window. There are plenty of other clubs who did their deals faster and better, and those businesses aren't any more complex then ours.

Also I think it is complete bullshit that everybody with the knowledge of the business processes that go on at a football club would be working for such a club and would not be posting on the forums. There are plenty of people that should know alot about this, but work in other jobs for other companies, because essentially manchester United is nothing else than a multinational company and the transfer business is nothing else than the procurement and disposition of Assets. To think that none of those are football fans that wouldn't spend any of their free time on a football forum is ridiculous.

Sure nobody knows all details, because that knowledge isn't public, but there are plenty of people who could make a judgement out of things, that isn't completely useless. On the basis of the things we do know, we can always have a discussion about the club, and these forums are here for just that purpose. And if people feel angry or frustrated or disappointed or confussed or concerned with the way the club conducted itself during the summer, they should be free to expres that on this forum. Supporting isn't just speaking about the positives of a club, it is also, more often than not, discussing the negatives. Maybay for some this is a new thing, because there hardly were negatives with a manager like SAF in charge of things for 27 years, a man that deserved blind trust and that nobody dared to question, but in other clubs this normaly isn't the case, and this won't be case with Moyes, atleast not until he has proven himself as much as SAF did (and he is very far from that atm).

 

[FreakyJim]

No, transfers aren't easy. Football is extremely complicated, people that work in football are all geniuses and we being simple fans cannot possibly understand all the complicated stuff that goes on. We should just shut up and watch the games.

 

[sincher]

Things are never simple when that much money is changing hands.

It's also getting more difficult to get the best players as there are more wealthy clubs and they are holding bigger squads.

We still made a royal mess of it, though.

 

[Mickeza]

wait.... Are you saying the more players you need to solve problems with the squad, the easier it gets?

Are you? Really? Think on it. Maybe give your head a wobble or two beforehand.

It's much easier for you to sign players because you're coming from a lower base. If we were interested in signing players of the level of Victor Moses or Aspas we'd have signed them. When you attempted to sign players of a higher quality such as Willian, Costa, Soldado or Mkhitaryan you looked every bit as incompetent as we did.

In answer to the question, no, transfers aren't easy, particularly when they involve players like Modric and Fabregas. It seems the strategy this summer was to sign a top quality midfielder, or a player such as Bale, you can argue that strategy was wrong, but Woodward can only go after the players he's told to go after and I think the lambasting he's getting is slightly unfair. Moyes said himself the list we were working from was very short.

 

[Eboue]

Ridiculous statement....

If you can only expres your opinion with full knowledge of things, we should never be discussing club affairs, because the only people with full knowledge about the business of Manchester United are the managers and the excecutives of the club. Would be awfully quiet on a forum like this.

There are plenty of people with enough knowledge and experience who can make a sensible judgement of these kind of things. The business at our football club is not so very different from any other football club, and it is hardly rocket science anyway. Sure we don't know all details and all complexities, but it is not hard to see we made mess of this summer, and most is due to us leaving our business way too late in the window. There are plenty of other clubs who did their deals faster and better, and those businesses aren't any more complex then ours.

Also I think it is complete bullshit that everybody with the knowledge of the business processes that go on at a football club would be working for such a club and would not be posting on the forums. There are plenty of people that should know alot about this, but work in other jobs for other companies, because essentially manchester United is nothing else than a multinational company and the transfer business is nothing else than the procurement and disposition of Assets. To think that none of those are football fans that wouldn't spend any of their free time on a football forum is ridiculous.

Sure nobody knows all details, because that knowledge isn't public, but there are plenty of people who could make a judgement out of things, that isn't completely useless. On the basis of the things we do know, we can always have a discussion about the club, and these forums are here for just that purpose. And if people feel angry or frustrated or disappointed or confussed or concerned with the way the club conducted itself during the summer, they should be free to expres that on this forum. Supporting isn't just speaking about the positives of a club, it is also, more often than not, discussing the negatives. Maybay for some this is a new thing, because there hardly were negatives with a manager like SAF in charge of things for 27 years, a man that deserved blind trust and that nobody dared to question, but in other clubs this normaly isn't the case, and this won't be case with Moyes, atleast not until he has proven himself as much as SAF did (and he is very far from that atm).

Why don't you try reading that again

 

[gza the genius]

Clubs sign players out of nowhere on the last day of the transfer window all the time, clearly two months is enough time. Who knows what the feck we were doing in that two month period, aside from wasting a lot of time trying to get players we had no chance of getting with ridiculously low bids.

 

[Revan]

To answer the question, yes, two months are more than enough if you have identified your targets and have a good strategy. If not, I am afraid even two years aren't enough.

If you don't believe me, ask Levy.

 

[The Man Himself]

The main point of this thread has been lost and it seems to me everybody is just replying to the thread title. Yes 2 months are more than enough if you have same set of people working on it for some time before transfer season at least. Question was, if we have new set of people both at football side and management side of club, then are 2 months enough for them to identify and get the targets and right players? Especially when the targets you are looking for are for the club which has won the title and has to address a particular weakness, the market for which is limited.

 

[Shimo]

We have always been told that the club is not just waiting around for the transfer window to open, that we are working on deals / targets well before the window opens, that we've identified targets - and that message was given even after Fergie was stepping down.

Let's even suppose that all the work United had done prior to Moyes taking over was just thrown out the window, that they were going to start from scratch after Moyes came into the job July 1st (a horrible scenario). That does leave you two months. I hate project planning but, even I can put together a rudimentary plan that considers the various scenarios - something these guys being paid a lot of money should be doing as part of their every day lives.

1) Get to know existing squad (2 weeks)
2) Identify potential targets while evaluating existing squad - make initial inquiries as to the possibility of those targets (2 weeks).
3) Make a list of definite targets and begin working on acquiring. Put max for each one and make the bids to that max and whatever other criteria that need to be met that will trigger moving on to next priority with full gusto.

A month and half with putting some markers in the ground of when to move on could easily have avoided the well lets try get every one on the last day and then fail miserably.

Having a better plan put together could at least have let Moyes have the likes of Fellaini available for for the first 3 games and maybe even others. It just doesn't seem they went in with a solid plan and were just playing things of the cuff expecting people to give in to us because we are United.