Are players ever justified in being happy a manager is gone?

horsechoker said:
If so, when?
Should they show this on social media?

Seeing Sancho and de Gea tweet cryptic messages alluding to ten Hag's departure seems sad as they are/were on 9 figure weekly salaries and didn't justify their employment at United.
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I think Ten Hag is the first manager we've had that has elicited this kind of response from players that used to play for him.
 
Andersonson said:
Players like Sancho, Amad etc who has gone to social media doesnt have the mentality for a top club. You never see it from City or Liverpool. We will never be successfull with those type of players in the team, regardless of the manager
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What if the guy was just a dick and was trying to force them out so Antony got more game time?
 
Of course. If you're working for a terrible manager at work, you're going to be pleased if they leave and someone more competent comes in.

Whether you need to take to social media is another thing...but who cares really, EtH was an appalling manager, he's been sacked, let's move on.
 
Freedom of speech I guess, but does it sound a bit arrogant and dumb? Yes.

You could've just performed, and you'd have no problems being picked. It's not like there's been any great competition in the team.
 
Steve 007 said:
De Gea was player of the year on more than one occasion. He had a bad year and made some howlers. Onana had some howlers too in his first season he cost us points in the league and champions league.
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A bad year is a massive massive understatement.
 
Mourinho gave up in the end, so I can imagine a player or two losing respect for him and being glad to see his back as he’s heading out the door.
 
horsechoker said:
If so, when?
Should they show this on social media?

Seeing Sancho and de Gea tweet cryptic messages alluding to ten Hag's departure seems sad as they are/were on 9 figure weekly salaries and didn't justify their employment at United.
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One Night Only said:
Sancho has no right, he was a useless flop who just sulked and played FIFA. He thinks he's an actual superstar, didn't even attend the thing last night because he knew he wasn't winning the Balloon Door. Little drama queen.
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Sancho didn't post anything.
 
mctrials23 said:
He was also on a frankly obscene amount of money for a keeper that wasn't unequivocally the best keeper in the world.
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Best paid keeper in the world at the time, no? Or up there
 
Sky1981 said:
Case by case

On extreme case (Moyes) it's justified. But i still feel the old guards are treating him unfairly with all the leaks and the mockery. It creates an example for the youngster

Like it or not as long as the manager is in charge the default position should be respect his authority. LVG, Jose, Ole and now ETH for all their fault is clearly being hung to dry nearing the end. No fight, no guts, not bother trying
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Hating a manager and downing tools because he banned chips from the canteen is NOT a reason to hate a manager, and speaks more about the players than about Moyes.
 
Slevs said:
Best paid keeper in the world at the time, no? Or up there
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I believe he was miles ahead of the next best paid keeper. Alisson was on about £200k when DDG was on close to £400k. Thats crazy when Alisson is twice the keeper DDG is and was on half the money.
 
When you see how Rudiger was buried on the bench, well down the pecking order because Lampard didn’t think he was that good and then suddenly becomes one of the best CBs in Europe almost overnight when Tuchel replaced him, then yeah, I’d say players are justified in being happy a coach is gone.

As always though, it depends on the context in each player's situation. Posting nonsense on social media is unnecessary.
 
Ever? Sure. Each of us is allowed to feel happy or sad, whatever the case may be. We’re human beings, not machines.
 
Of course, why would they not be? Doesn't mean they are right.

I doubt many get treated that unfairly in honesty. Even like in @WeePat good example of Lampard/Rudiger it was not malicious, Lampard just did not fancy him as a player for whatever reason. So naturally Rudiger must have been ecstatic Lampard went, because he would have a chance to play again - it doesn't mean Lampard treated him poorly, it just means he likely has a bit of a wayward ability on judging CBs.

I guess Moyes/Zaha might be a genuine one where there is some unjustified treatment, with the rumours of Moyes' daughter and Zaha because that was very strange - he was a good player but just got completely shafted.
 
If you had a job with a crap manager, terrible morale and no direction would you be happier when he left? Fans really seem to find it difficult to comprehend that professional footballers treat this as a job (as they should) and that there are human beings.
 
The classy thing for a player to do is actually perform for the new gaffer, and then at the end of the season, medals and awards in hand, post some snark .
 
Big Andy said:
Hating a manager and downing tools because he banned chips from the canteen is NOT a reason to hate a manager, and speaks more about the players than about Moyes.
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I'm slightly indifferent towards those players. Sure I respect what they achieved with SAF and the amount of success they brought to the club but the moment any one of those players harps on about the current squad downing tools or showing soft mentality I just think they're being hypocritical jerks.

The Moyes season really said alot about the club, from the ownership, to the management and to players.
 
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mctrials23 said:
He was also on a frankly obscene amount of money for a keeper that wasn't unequivocally the best keeper in the world.
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It all stemmed from Sanchez - you can probably pinpoint that transfer as the root cause of so many issues we have had.

Put on obscene money, which then allowed all our senior players to renegotiate when he wasn't playing well. Putting a GK on £375k is bloody mental the more you think about it. The knock on effect really is only subsiding now with a few left on big deals.
 
crossy1686 said:
I know, it’s funny. Everyone’s allowed to be happy except the players otherwise they’re ‘toxic’
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How fans behave on a forum and how players conduct themselves should be different.

I think players can be justified in being happy when a manager is sacked. I don't think players are justified in posting "mocking" social media posts about a manager's sacking (although, as far as I'm aware, no players still contracted to the club have actually posted anything).

Scarlett Dracarys said:
But he obviously wasn't the problem
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He'd been average to outright shit for multiple seasons by the time he left.

The club should have handled the whole thing better, but by all accounts, he was essentially given a new contract to sign and chose to sit on it for months in hope that a better offer came along from elsewhere. When he realised that one wasn't forthcoming, he tried to rock up with his agent to tell us he'd agree to our terms, but he'd been shit for a while and we decided he was no longer worth the significant outlay on wages. We offered him new, reduced terms, and he rejected them, and ended up sat at home for a year because no one else thought he was worth the money either.
 
sacking ETH was the right thing to do but i think De Gea's comment was small time mentality. I think the Sancho thing was fake but i am sure the Chelsea staff have told him not to make any comment.
 
Adebisi's Hat said:
sacking ETH was the right thing to do but i think De Gea's comment was small time mentality. I think the Sancho thing was fake but i am sure the Chelsea staff have told him not to make any comment.
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I'm certainly no defender of De Gea, I wanted him gone, however, if you were a multiple time winner of player of the year, one of the only players in the squad to have a PL title, was pretty decent at your job, which was saving shots, had been at a job for 10 years and knew the club inside out along with expectations. Would you be happy if some guy from Holland, never managed a club like United, came along, told you he didn't like you because you couldn't play with your feet, threatened to end your career at this level and feck with your finances, would you just take it on the chin and go quietly?
 
To me it shows how weak and soft these players are. Bastian Schweinsteiger was humiliated by Mourinho and made to train with the kids and fought his way back and never said a word to anyone about what was going on. We look at the abuse that Rooney, Ronaldo, Beckham and others took after World Cups and they went on and had stellar careers.

Now a player is rightly called out for training poorly or putting in a thimbleful of effort during games and they run to social media or have their media contacts right sympathetic stories about how hard done by they are. It's ridiculous and this woe is me attitude from our players is probably a major reason why we haven't been able to mount any type of title challenge since Sir Alex left.
 
crossy1686 said:
I'm certainly no defender of De Gea, I wanted him gone, however, if you were a multiple time winner of player of the year, one of the only players in the squad to have a PL title, was pretty decent at your job, which was saving shots, had been at a job for 10 years and knew the club inside out along with expectations. Would you be happy if some guy from Holland, never managed a club like United, came along, told you he didn't like you because you couldn't play with your feet, threatened to end your career at this level and feck with your finances, would you just take it on the chin and go quietly?
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Expect him to be happy, no, but that's what happens with every player at some stage in their careers and they usually do take it on the chin once they get over the initial being pissed off. His contract was up and the club were right not to give him the much larger contract he was looking for, over 1 year later he should have moved on.
 
B20 said:
Are you allowed to be smugly content if you have a shitty boss that gets fired?

I think so.
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This - which anyone who has tried working under a bad and uninspiring boss will likely know.

Only problem is if the same players/employees keep on causing otherwise succesful and likeable bosses to get fired. At some point the fingers will start pointing toward the players - or management.
 
I feel the players thought Erik was gone at the FA Cup final and decided to give him one last hurrah by playing out of their skins.

Their tone in the pre match interviews seemed to suggest that.


As I type this, he's gone now and they're running rampage.
I don't think they intentionally threw him under the bus, mind. I think they were just inspired by everything towards the end, no matter how hard they tried.
 
If you or I can be happy that a clearly incompetent and poor boss gets sacked, then of course players can feel the same way. Especially if that boss is incredibly toxic and is running around shit-talking the employees to anyone who'll listen so as to deflect blame for his own poor performance (ie. Mourinho).

Of course, that's not the situation all the time. And even when it is, unless that manager was very toxic or downright unfair on players, I don't think they should be going public with being happy.
 
You can be justified in how you react to something but that doesn’t mean you have to get the boot in. I think a person who can decide not to be a petty dickh**d is the kind of players we want to build a winning culture..

The way I see it, our club invests an absolute fortune in some of these chancers. And while it’s our clubs fault for being so bad at recruitment and giving them these contracts , it doesn’t mean it’s ok for the players to lower their standards cause they don’t like a manager.

I mean, I never understand a fan defending a player who is willing to undermine our manager and bring their own toxic ego into the dressingroom at our expense. Fans act like “that player has a right to act like that”. I’m thinking, who do you support , them or the club? they work for the club , they are paid to be professional which includes keeping any grievances in house and doing your job (which includes STFU if you aren’t starting).

I get the culture of football is kind of stupid and players at top levels have relatively zero accountability for any of their unprofessional (down tools) behaviour, but it’s all a pile of w*nk.

It’s the reason why my favourite players or least dislikable ones, for the last 11 years have usually been ones that simply work hard for the team (fellaini, McT etc). Ironically , one of them is Bruno, who optically annoys a lot of fans, but he’s never “injured” and he works his absolute b**lox off. Again shows how some of our own fanbase can be so stupid and hoover up the “he’s a terrible role model” nonsense. I’d take 11 Bruno’s over a majority of the over paid useless trash , down tools when it suits wasters.
 
Are you and I allowed to be smug about a manager that rubs you the wrong way being let go, even making cheeky social media post?

If so, then so are they.

As far as I can tell no one has actually ridiculed ETH, if you think an emoji is over the top then you probably should get off social media.
 
pcaming said:
Are you and I allowed to be smug about a manager that rubs you the wrong way being let go, even making cheeky social media post?

If so, then so are they.

As far as I can tell no one has actually ridiculed ETH, if you think an emoji is over the top then you probably should get off social media.
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We are all allowed to be and can in some cases be justified in being classless obnoxious assholes.

But that is still being a classless obnoxious asshole

Not sure how mocking somebody or publicly savouring them getting sacked is anything other then that in most cases.

I’m no angel and can be like this , difference is I own it, most people try to excuse it.
 
Of course… but when you get the feeling they are always happy when we change the manager you get the feeling it’s them that need moving on as well…
 
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