Appointing Solskjaer was a mistake

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For all of you lot who think that appointing Ole was a mistake... you don’t know football and you are dead wrong.

Ole hasn’t had a chance. He has a team of players with no heart, no fight. Gary Neville, Roy Keane and Graeme Sounness have said the same thing on Sky Sports. The manager cannot be expected to motivate these cancers to run. They aren’t closing the opposition down. It’s two steps for Matic to close Siggurdson, but he can’t/won’t do it. Pogba lightly jogging back after losing the ball. The players don’t care. That’s not my opinion, it’s the opinion of those that have won and played on the pitch at the highest levels.

I believe that taking the word of footballing champions and legends over the uninformed and pathetic views of the Ole naysayers should count for something. Maybe the mods should lock this thread because all these thoughts and comments do is weaken the club and sabotage us as we build for the future.
 
MikeKing said:
What do you do if you don't believe he has been properly backed in the market, and the squad struggles throughout the season? A season of football feels like a long time when not competing, you think you'll manage to stick to your plan of not judging him or is it likely you'll have a verdict by then anyways?

The way some of the fans have responded to him almost getting us back into the top 4, and blaming him for not getting us there. I think its pretty safe to say that whether or not Ole gets his new players in and the right ones out, both media and fans will go havoc on his ass and United if we don't challenge for the league immediately. The ironic part is to concede we have to calm down and build something is mistaken for "lowering expectations" and being content with losing.

It is unhealthy. There is a serious imbalance within our fanbase reminiscent of what happened to Liverpool. As far as that club go, the fact is, the moment they stopped acting panicked they scouted a manager and players patiently and trusted them to build something despite a lot of negativity surrounding them. They also supposedly have a top of the line supreme in-house dental office, which of course helps.
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The problem is a lot of fans have known nothing but success and now, after a few years of not winning the league they're panicking. Everything nowadays is now, now, now and no one is given time to build a team. Klopp has taken what, five years to build Liverpool with no success so far, United fans are whining about Ole after four months. God knows what they would be like after four or five years.
 
purgethefallen said:
The problem is a lot of fans have known nothing but success and now, after a few years of not winning the league they're panicking. Everything nowadays is now, now, now and no one is given time to build a team. Klopp has taken what, five years to build Liverpool with no success so far, United fans are whining about Ole after four months. God knows what they would be like after four or five years.
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6 years. Not 'a few'.

If Ole doesn't deliver trophies within a few seasons he'd be leaving anyway - that's what Man Utd does, win trophies.

During our 'slump years' we've won more trophies than Liverpool and Spurs combined :)

But of course, as a Utd fan, you already know this.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Doesn't it concern you that we've been reduced to the point where "only time will tell"? A club as big as ours should not rest its future on hope.
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No, it doesn't. We could bring in Ronaldo (1 and 2), Maradona, Pele, Messi, Georgie Best and Thomas Gravesen in their primes right now and we still wouldn't know if they would gel. Managers need time.

DSG said:
For all of you lot who think that appointing Ole was a mistake... you don’t know football and you are dead wrong.

Ole hasn’t had a chance. He has a team of players with no heart, no fight. Gary Neville, Roy Keane and Graeme Sounness have said the same thing on Sky Sports. The manager cannot be expected to motivate these cancers to run. They aren’t closing the opposition down. It’s two steps for Matic to close Siggurdson, but he can’t/won’t do it. Pogba lightly jogging back after losing the ball. The players don’t care. That’s not my opinion, it’s the opinion of those that have won and played on the pitch at the highest levels.

I believe that taking the word of footballing champions and legends over the uninformed and pathetic views of the Ole naysayers should count for something. Maybe the mods should lock this thread because all these thoughts and comments do is weaken the club and sabotage us as we build for the future.
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Spot on. Anyone who thinks Ole isn’t good enough already knows absolutely nothing about football.
 
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Rhyme Animal said:
6 years. Not 'a few'.

If Ole doesn't deliver trophies within a few seasons he'd be leaving anyway - that's what Man Utd does, win trophies.

During our 'slump years' we've won more trophies than Liverpool and Spurs combined :)

But of course, as a Utd fan, you already know this.
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Yes it's 6 years but "fans" aren't prepared to give Ole any time to change the team/bring in new players.

Yes, we've won trophies where Spurs and liverpool haven't but fans are still not happy with that. You say win trophies within a few years but aren't you one of those who isn't prepared to give Ole any time to improve the squad. What exactly do you want?
 
DSG said:
For all of you lot who think that appointing Ole was a mistake... you don’t know football and you are dead wrong.

Ole hasn’t had a chance. He has a team of players with no heart, no fight. Gary Neville, Roy Keane and Graeme Sounness have said the same thing on Sky Sports. The manager cannot be expected to motivate these cancers to run. They aren’t closing the opposition down. It’s two steps for Matic to close Siggurdson, but he can’t/won’t do it. Pogba lightly jogging back after losing the ball. The players don’t care. That’s not my opinion, it’s the opinion of those that have won and played on the pitch at the highest levels.

I believe that taking the word of footballing champions and legends over the uninformed and pathetic views of the Ole naysayers should count for something. Maybe the mods should lock this thread because all these thoughts and comments do is weaken the club and sabotage us as we build for the future.
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Where were you last year when jose says more or less the same thing?
 
R.N7 said:
Ed should bite the bullet and sack him now in order to save him the trouble of doing so in November. 6 defeats in 8 is unprecedented in it's awfulness. It's becoming increasingly clear that he hasn't got a clue how to turn the tide. United need a new manager and staff with a clear vision how to play progressive football.

A few months later and it's like Mourinho never left:

Still faffing about with the defense (is he really the man to shore up this defense?)
Still playing the same formation
Still willing to give the deadwood more chances
Still shunting Rashford to the wing
Still putting Matic straight back into the team
Still calling out the players in the press
Still talking about the past
Still negative

At least Mourinho would have had them fired up to come back from a losing position once in a while.
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Yes, of course, that what United need now - another managerial sacking. Just to make this great club a laughing stock and part of the loser's club in football of teams that continually sack managers and never have stability or success again.

You do know that Ole as an incoming manager after all the nonsense of the post-Sir Alex period has a responsibility to assess very carefully the present team? Of course the deadwood will be gone in the near future but United isn't going to win the title so seeing exactly who should stay and who should go is what I expect Ole to be doing.

And no, he doesn't sound like Negative Nancy Mourinho. Ole has every right to issue public statements, and warning that things can't stay the same doesn't sound like Jose's gobby moments. The young Alex Ferguson was given time to re-build United despite the constant whingeing by many United fans at the time.

Ole will do it but it's not possible with the current squad. Some are drinking in the last chance saloon and it will be clear who gets thrown out at closing time at the appropriate time.
 
Still can't believe that Ed couldn't wait before the end of the season
 
Do I think we shouldn't have appoint Ole? Yes, I very much believe that the initial good results were par for "new manager bounce", even if it's way better than anyone has anticipated. To be honest, I think even Ed was surprised by the start that Ole had, and in the end it came down to:

  • Appoint Ole full time to give the team stability and start planning for next season's recruitment and purge
  • Wait till end of season to do the same thing, but lose the initiative on recruitment and purge planning for next season.
  • Wait till end of season and appoint someone else like Poch. Again, we lose the initiative, and it might be even worse because the new manager will want to take time to assess who will be part of his plan, which is always tricky to do without having real competitive games.
So in retrospect appoint Ole in the light of the fantastic results and that night in Paris might not be the worst thing that Ed could have done, without the foresight of the results to come.

Now that Ole is on board, it's simply disgraceful that so many of you are calling for his head knowing that we were never supposed to be in with a fight for the 4th position in the first place. He never even have a transfer season FFS.

Am I concerned that we will be left way behind by Man Shitty and Liverpoo? Of course I am, but the problem didn't start with appoint Ole. The problem started with appointing dinosaurs on the wane to replace SAF, while our rivals goes for the enterprising managers such as Guardiola and Klopp, or some might also want to include Poch in the list. Venting our frustrations on Ole and calling for his head will not solve any problem.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
Spot on. Anyone who thinks Ole isn’t good enough already knows absolutely nothing about football.
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Your right we don't know for certain if Ole is or isn't going to be a success, no one does. You have no idea if he is going to be a success.

My thought is, if Ole was still on a temporary contract would he get it permanently? I highly doubt it

Would all those people backing him to be a success still be saying he should be manager next season? I would guess the number would be a fraction of what it is now.

Of course that doesn't mean he can't turn it around, its possible, but what are the chances of a manager with a mixed track record, with a squad that is a complete mess, and club that is been terribly run, who already seems to be having issues getting a lift out of the players as the team is on one of it's worse runs in history and whose only real history something approaching big money transfers was at cardiff(which was an unmitigated disaster), What are the chances of him turning it around? I'd say quite slim.

So for me their is defiantly at least a discussion to be had about whether appointing him was a mistake, i'd personally say people writing off that discussion know very little about football.
 
I think the only mistake was announcing it when we did but you never know. Results may have turned anyway. I think many are just looking now to what we do in the summer and next season.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
God, that feeling when you were right about something and you don't feel good about it
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Same and I got called a retard and Moron for having that opinion. Thankfully some of us can see hes way out of his depth as manager. Love Ole but hes not good enough to be manager of United and he never will be.
 
If we didn't give him the permanent role so soon I'm confident we would have made top 4. It's a different thing playing under an interim and our results during that period is an example of what I mean. The players were hungry, fighting, giving it their all every single game and then once it became clear he was going to be given the job they all reverted back to the same old shit.

Any club run by people with proper functioning brains would have waited till the end of the season and then once we've reached top 4 give him the job and everything would have been fine. And that is the problem, we aren't. We as usual took a terrible decision and rushed it and ruined the chemistry they had and costed us a CL spot in the process. Now we are heading into another season with major doubts. What will we do in the summer? Will he be here by christmas? Will we be spending an entire year again scrapping for 4th place? Will De Gea and Pogba stay?

I have a feeling after a while with this shambolic board Ole will lose his cool and walk. He's going to realize he made a big mistake taking this job because the people above him will not do anything to help him succeed.
 
Yorkeontop said:
Probably. He wouldn't get the job now if the decision was still to be made you feel.
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Thats the point isn't it, he wasn't gonna get the full time job when he was appointed as caretaker at just before xmas and he wouldn't get it now.
So basically we have a manager who people thought was the right guy for the job the a few weeks and this is the guy who we are gonna trust in carrying out what needs to be the biggest rebuild since the 80's. It's crazy.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
To be fair, Ole had us playing good football the moment he came in too. Unfortunately, we've not been able to sustain it.

With better players, we could see more consistency from them next season.

We need to give him time, though. Klopp and Pep, despite having a set style didnt pull up any trees in the league straight away.

Ole will need at least three seasons. We need to stick with him that he can build his team.
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What people are ignoring is that Klopp had his team playing good football with the dross he took over. I am not talking about his team right now, but what he had that team playing like a few weeks after he took over.
 
ghagua said:
What people are ignoring is that Klopp had his team playing good football with the dross he took over. I am not talking about his team right now, but what he had that team playing like a few weeks after he took over.
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They also didn't sustain it though. Took him 3 years to break into the top 3, couldn't even win a Europa Final.
Saying that though I'm not convinced by Ole, but your example of Klopp probably makes a case for Ole rather than discredit him
 
Dec9003 said:
Klopps team arguably doesn't even play the same football now as it did last season. Both Pep and Klopp have adapted their style in the premier league.
Solskjaer clearly had us playing good football very quickly, to suggest otherwise would be ridiculous.
The football Solsjkaer wants to play requires players with good fitness, we simply don't have that at the moment.
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We all have our opinions and I understand that. The initial euphoria after Ole took over is gone. He let the shackles off a bit and we managed to go on a great run scraping a few results together. This team should have improved it's football after 6 months if not the results, but we have been playing like a bunch of donkeys on the pitch.
 
It's not the manager. It's not the individual players. It's the club. It has a structure that can't help but drag us down. We need new owners.
 
His tactics changes significantly after the players started falling like flies. Hoping next season we are much fitter and revert to the initial Ole tactics
 
Cassidy said:
They also didn't sustain it though. Took him 3 years to break into the top 3, couldn't even win a Europa Final.
Saying that though I'm not convinced by Ole, but your example of Klopp probably makes a case for Ole rather than discredit him
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Not sure what sustains means in this case because his team has been playing great football soon after he took over. Has he won anything yet, nope, and may not even win anything this year, but to say that his team has not maintained their good football is just us United fans covering our eyes and pretending it's not happening.
 
glazed said:
It's not the manager. It's not the individual players. It's the club. It has a structure that can't help but drag us down. We need new owners.
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It's both. The poor managers and woodward decided to appoint a relegation level manager.
 
ghagua said:
Not sure what sustains means in this case because his team has been playing great football soon after he took over. Has he won anything yet, nope, and may not even win anything this year, but to say that his team has not maintained their good football is just us United fans covering our eyes and pretending it's not happening.
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Yes then they stopped during that first season also and looked like shite in many games didn't they finish 6th or 8th? They couldn't sustain their crazy pressing all season. Not to mention they were a defesnive disaster for a while too
 
It’s now possible that Paul Ince could have done what Ole has done.
 
At the start we had less Ole tactics-

'I want the players to play freely'

Now there is more tactics and the players look clueless on the pitch.
 
ghagua said:
You need to re-watch last couple of months and see how good our football has been.
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The exact same Ole tactic that every manager in the EPL has found out? We are completely screwed if he is a one trick pony with no plan B. Even Mourinho had a plan B and that was Fellaini
 
Cassidy said:
They also didn't sustain it though. Took him 3 years to break into the top 3, couldn't even win a Europa Final.
Saying that though I'm not convinced by Ole, but your example of Klopp probably makes a case for Ole rather than discredit him
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That's one way of looking at it. The other is that we had two finals in the season he came in, finished top 4 the season after (something we've done once since 2009 prior to that), then did it again whilst making it to a CL final, then hauled 94+ points and a CL semi the year after.

I'd call that steady and sustained development.
 
Needham said:
He's got the vision of a bat. That element of control has to taken out of his hands. I mean what the feck do the Glazers actually ever do?
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When Jose was sacked, nobody had hopes of top 4. But there was a feeling of optimism. Good noises came out of the club regarding dof etc etc. We had more than half a season to sort out the mess and plan for the future. But what did that idiot noodle guy do?

Season has ended. We have no improvements on the kind of football. A rookie at the helm. No Dof and probably won't be there. We have missed out on CL. Noodle guy thought he struck gold with Ole.

The club is in shambles.
 
DSG said:
For all of you lot who think that appointing Ole was a mistake... you don’t know football and you are dead wrong.

Ole hasn’t had a chance. He has a team of players with no heart, no fight. Gary Neville, Roy Keane and Graeme Sounness have said the same thing on Sky Sports. The manager cannot be expected to motivate these cancers to run. They aren’t closing the opposition down. It’s two steps for Matic to close Siggurdson, but he can’t/won’t do it. Pogba lightly jogging back after losing the ball. The players don’t care. That’s not my opinion, it’s the opinion of those that have won and played on the pitch at the highest levels.

I believe that taking the word of footballing champions and legends over the uninformed and pathetic views of the Ole naysayers should count for something. Maybe the mods should lock this thread because all these thoughts and comments do is weaken the club and sabotage us as we build for the future.
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But how does any of that make him the right choice? If no manager can motivate these "cancers" to run then we could have kept Jose, a proven winner, right?

This was always going to be his big test. Not a game vs PSG or vs Barcelona. The biggest test is how we respond after a couple of losses, when confidence and morale are low. Anyone who says it does not look worrying is lying to themselves IMO.

If it was another manager with the same pedigree as Ole that wasn't an ex United player, how many people would still think everything is going to be fine, just give him time and money? Not many I think.

We should have definitely waited until the end of season, there was literally no reason to hire him earlier. Perhaps it would leave us with a difficult decision to make but at least he would have options. We cannot and should not sack him now.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
6 years. Not 'a few'.

If Ole doesn't deliver trophies within a few seasons he'd be leaving anyway - that's what Man Utd does, win trophies.

During our 'slump years' we've won more trophies than Liverpool and Spurs combined :)

But of course, as a Utd fan, you already know this.
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Gentle reminder: Your club were not founded in 1986. In fact, Manchester United existed (in some form) for 108 years before Fergie set foot in the place, and 63 years before Fergie was born. How many of those seasons did you win a major trophy?

My point: United are entitled to nothing in terms of trophies, so stop acting like like you are.
 
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