Arguments like this are getting tiresome.
Any new CM talents emerging?
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Arguments like this are getting tiresome.
They are still spot on regardless. Fans on here are drama queens when it comes to our midfield. I'd understand them being that way if this was after Christmas. But we've just started November and traditionally we don't play well as a side in that period.
Winning the league with midfielders who "aren't good enough" is not, however.
People seem to think footballers are robots who don't age, don't go through dips in form, don't suddenly lose pace and become static. In fact, let's not buy anyone from now on, because we have a bunch of players who, no matter how much they age or become not good enough in the future, won the league last year. Retards.
I'm not doom & gloom by any means, but the League or the domestic cups are not the problem with our present mid-field tbh, we can get by - its the Champions League thats the problem tho.
We'll just not be able to handle Barca or maybe even the improved Real for that matter, if we get to the final again. Toms the only new addition to last years mid-field & we got pardew'd once again in that final!
I do agree tho, that there must be real good reason why we didnt get Sneijder & i'd say much of that was him looking for an extortionate sum of money to come to us. He can feck right off if thats true - cnut earns too much anyway, after only one world-class season under his belt too!
I'd rather give Tom the chance, than some mercenary with only motives for the loot!
We'll just not be able to handle Barca or maybe even the improved Real for that matter, if we get to the final again. Toms the only new addition to last years mid-field & we got pardew'd once again in that final!
I do agree tho, that there must be real good reason why we didnt get Sneijder & i'd say much of that was him looking for an extortionate sum of money to come to us. He can feck right off if thats true - cnut earns too much anyway, after only one world-class season under his belt too!
I'd rather give Tom the chance, than some mercenary with only motives for the loot!
And great midfielders don't grow on trees, not even at La Masia.
The only team that can claim to have gotten the best of us over the last two years is Barca, in 2 games. Yes, we should strive to be the best, but going out and buying 100 million dollars of midfielders wouldn't mean we'd be better than Barca, it didn't work for Real.
City have improved a helluva lot since last year & have added alot of strength to their mid-field & attack. Its not wrong for a United fan to feel worried about this, or about the competition we face in Europe, where Barca have added Fabregas & Sanchez. Real seem to have improved greatly also.
Its not knee-jerk reactions from some folk on here - its a pretty significant worry thats been lingering around for a couple of seasons now. We'd love a great mid-field like Barca's & players of Nasri & Silva's ability aswell - but we dont have that (Tom's comin along nicely tho) & thats the area we've been pardew'd twice in Champs Lge finals.
If we win the Champs Lge, it'll be because someone else has knocked Barca out before they could get to the final & i'm bloody optimistic in general - just not about playin Barca again in a Champions League final!
Its not knee-jerk reactions from some folk on here - its a pretty significant worry thats been lingering around for a couple of seasons now. We'd love a great mid-field like Barca's & players of Nasri & Silva's ability aswell - but we dont have that (Tom's comin along nicely tho) & thats the area we've been pardew'd twice in Champs Lge finals.
If we win the Champs Lge, it'll be because someone else has knocked Barca out before they could get to the final & i'm bloody optimistic in general - just not about playin Barca again in a Champions League final!
Wayne Rooney but he already plays for us.
It's wrong though. Other teams have beaten us in midfield as well, we just made up for it by having superb attack and a very good defence. We should aim to improve in areas that need improvement, with a set of good midfielders we'd be far ahead of the rest of the league except maybe City, so we should be targetting that.
As I have already said, Barcelona are an example of forward thinking. They bought two new players after winning it all, and got even better in the process. We made a mistake of not building on 1999 success and even Ferguson has admitted that, we didn't come close to winning CL for nearly a decade. We should always aim to get better.
Many teams have gotten the better the of in the midfield department. We were just blessed to have a very good attack and a very solid defence. I'm not saying our midfield were shit, but they are very average, compared with the rest of the team.
I'm not saying we should go out and get 100 million dollars of midfielders. I did not even want sneijder. But there are/were many midfielders in the market who could have come in and done a proper job for us in midfield. Its really not that hard being better than an inconsistent Anderson and a weak Fletcher.
Turn that around: superb, immense defence and quite good attack. Defence has been the strongest part of this team for quite a while now. Except this season, obviously.
M'Vila has done fantastically well so far in his young career.A key player for both club and country
Some people get so defensive on here. Our squad is Great, our team is strong - though as we will see later this year, quite a bit behind Barca, Madrid and very probably City. No ones arguing that we haven't done brilliantly in the last five seasons. However, it is very apparent that there is plenty of room for improvement in the centre of midfield.
If we can sort the CM to be truly top class, we may bag another CL before Fergie retires which would be great.
If we can sort the CM to be truly top class, we may bag another CL before Fergie retires which would be great.
I was very impressed by him against England but watching him recently for France, he just seemed too big and immobile. A bit of a Tom Huddlestone build. It resulted in quite a few players getting past him and he ended up bringing them down.
There seems to be a lot of exciting young options who are seemingly available right now that people are mentioning...
Gotze
Reus
M'Villa
Eriksen
etc
And our main rivals, with exception to maybe Chelski are stacked in centre midfield (tbf Real, Barca and City stacked in every position).
Despite this, I have very little confidence we'll get any of them - based on recent experiences.
Gotze
Reus
M'Villa
Eriksen
etc
And our main rivals, with exception to maybe Chelski are stacked in centre midfield (tbf Real, Barca and City stacked in every position).
Despite this, I have very little confidence we'll get any of them - based on recent experiences.
Goetze and Reus look more like wide players to me, maybe 2nd strikers, but not really central midfielders, though apparently Goetze has played there.
Ganso. Slightly advanced midfield position, practically secondary striker but still.
Kwadwo Asamoah has been linked to us, from Udinese.
Napoli must have someone decent playing midfield, they're top of Serie A.
Napoli must have someone decent playing midfield, they're top of Serie A.
Inler's very handy but their strengths lie in their utilisation of width and forwards rather than being particularly impressive in the middle.
Javi Martinez. neither of the Spanish giants or City have any real need for him (though that's never stopped them from buying top quality players).
He's a fantastic talent IMO.
He's a fantastic talent IMO.
The frustrating but also exciting thing is if we can get two top draw CMs we will be extremely strong. Right now, we just don't how the midfield to win the CL.
The argument that we won the league last season with this midfield blah blah is flawed as the competition, namely City, have improved immensely.
The argument that we won the league last season with this midfield blah blah is flawed as the competition, namely City, have improved immensely.
united with our mediocre midfield have dominated english football over the last 5 years. have been the most consistant side in european over the same period and would have won 3 out of 5 champions league titles where it not for "the greatest team to play the game"
it could be argued that micheal carrick has enjoyed a more succesful 5 years at united than another other midfielder......ever!!! medals wise.......and thats a fact not opinion.
it could be argued that micheal carrick has enjoyed a more succesful 5 years at united than another other midfielder......ever!!! medals wise.......and thats a fact not opinion.
How is Moussa Sissoko doing for you who follow Ligue 1? Remember quite a few people on here wanted to sign him a couple of years ago. Not heard much of him of late.
feck off with that rubbish argument...
Kovacic anyone ?
I've been watching some of the NCAA 'soccer' tournament, if anyone wants some really obscure names.
Josue Madeuno, Enzo Martinez and Nikita Kotlov were named to the 'college soccer news' team of the week.
Josue Madeuno, Enzo Martinez and Nikita Kotlov were named to the 'college soccer news' team of the week.
Inler needs his team to be set up exactly as he needs it, built around him with the right players. He had that so far for both teams in Italy, but not for the Swiss national team - hence he never performed as well as he could for the national side
because your arguements great.....we have a shit midfield if you disagree then feck off???
very articulate.
my point is fairly simple in that we have won 4 from the last 5 premiership titles and have reached 3 champions league finals (winning 1) in that time period. i think some of us have been spoilt by the success we have had and maybe by the midfields we have. beckham keane scholes and giggs was a once per generation occurence. unfortunatley for us barca have that at the minute.
answer me this question......
our central midfielders include carrick, fletcher, giggs anderson, cleverley along with park, rooney and jones who can all do a job in there in certain formations / situations.
would you swap that for liverpools midfield?? what about ramires lampard and mikel?? or ramsey, song and arteta?? what about barry de jong and toure??
if i had the choice i would choose our midfield over that lot any day.
granted if i was offered xavi, iniesta, fabregas and busquets then our lot wouldnt get a look in.
Our midfield has been weak since Ronaldo left and Scholes took a dive down. But our defense and attack has pulled us through. Unfortunately, teams are starting to expose us more and concentrating on the middle instead of the wings.
But our midfield is not mediocre. It was flying on all cylinders before a few injuries and once everyone is back to normal, it won't be flying high, but it'll do to compete.
But our midfield is not mediocre. It was flying on all cylinders before a few injuries and once everyone is back to normal, it won't be flying high, but it'll do to compete.
How did ronaldo contribut to the strength of our midfielf??? The rest of the midfield provided him a base to go do his stuff. I am by no means criticising him but he never tracked back, he never got stuck in, he made few direct assissts and he hardly ever passed the ball. Therefore he can not be considered a midfielder.
Granted….its easier for midfielders when you have a player like that in your side because he was the best. He terrified teams and created space for others as he drew defenders towards him. But all of that is totally irrelevant as we are talking about central midfield are we not?
Granted….its easier for midfielders when you have a player like that in your side because he was the best. He terrified teams and created space for others as he drew defenders towards him. But all of that is totally irrelevant as we are talking about central midfield are we not?
First of all, that's a fallacy and second of all they're not even top (seventh actually)
You're not really serious about our midfield being better than City's, are you?
Did well not to include Mata, Wilshere and Silva in the equation.
City's midfield is comfortably better than ours. De Jong is as good a defensive midfielder as Carrick, Toure is better than anyone we have in midfield, Silva is a class apart and Nasri would have been a huge improvement for us in the Summer - everyone agreed on that when we were interested.
Chelsea's midfield is slightly better than ours too. Mata offers a lot of creativity, Lampard has been good lately, Mikel is a decent defensive midfielder and Ramires is at least as good as Anderson.
Arsenal's midfield is better. Wilshere is comfortably better than anyone we have, Ramsey is every bit as good as the likes of Anderson and Cleverley if not better, Arteta has been a good PL player for years and Song is a very solid defensive midfielder, about Carrick's level as well.
Liverpool's midfield I'm not sure about. Adam is a good creative player, Lucas is a solid defensive midfielder and Henderson hasn't looked that bad but I feel they were better last season with Meireles instead of him. Still, Gerrard when in form is better than anyone we currently have so they might edge it there.
Then there's Tottenham that you didn't mention - and they have a much, much better midfield than us, not even a question.
I'd rate our midfield as 5th or 6th in the league, depending on where I put Liverpool.
Chelsea's midfield is slightly better than ours too. Mata offers a lot of creativity, Lampard has been good lately, Mikel is a decent defensive midfielder and Ramires is at least as good as Anderson.
Arsenal's midfield is better. Wilshere is comfortably better than anyone we have, Ramsey is every bit as good as the likes of Anderson and Cleverley if not better, Arteta has been a good PL player for years and Song is a very solid defensive midfielder, about Carrick's level as well.
Liverpool's midfield I'm not sure about. Adam is a good creative player, Lucas is a solid defensive midfielder and Henderson hasn't looked that bad but I feel they were better last season with Meireles instead of him. Still, Gerrard when in form is better than anyone we currently have so they might edge it there.
Then there's Tottenham that you didn't mention - and they have a much, much better midfield than us, not even a question.
I'd rate our midfield as 5th or 6th in the league, depending on where I put Liverpool.
our midfield is right up there if you include the options we have out wide.....
for me, in terms of central players;
1. City
2. Spurs
3. Arsenal
4. Chelsea
5. Us
for me, in terms of central players;
1. City
2. Spurs
3. Arsenal
4. Chelsea
5. Us
The fact that Giggs is comfortably our best central midfielder at 37 is worrying.
It's a stupid argument.
Man City's midfield is better than ours by far. Madrid have a better midfield. Many teams do. feck it, Tottenham do. Our midfield is a good one, it's not horrible. But is it too much to ask it be improved? Cleverley is our best midfielder. I think that says a lot. I think Sarni's post says it all.
Ronaldo's mere presence on the field held back the winger and full back, giving our midfield more space. He was a brilliant outlet for Carrick's deep balls (no homo). He could kill you on the break if you played a high line, so all except the biggest teams would play deep, offering our midfield more time and space. It's fair to say he covered the midfield's deficiencies, which are becoming exposed now he is gone. Scholes' retirement doesn't help matters either.
We have the best wide players in the country, comfortably. If you want to look at midfield as a whole, i.e. central midfielders and wingers, then we're up there with the best. If you, however, consider central midfielders only, then we're behind.
I'd argue there are players at mid-table clubs that would improve us which I find slightly worrying.
Our midfield isn't good by Manchester United standards. We used to have the best midfield in the world formed of players who would comfortably get into any side in the world. Back in the days of Keane and Scholes both of them would have got into any side.
When you look at our side currently and consider where current players could end up if we were to move them on, then could you really see any of these players finding a place in one of top European clubs? I can't imagine they would.
When you look at our side currently and consider where current players could end up if we were to move them on, then could you really see any of these players finding a place in one of top European clubs? I can't imagine they would.
First of all, that's a fallacy and second of all they're not even top (seventh actually)
I meant to say Lazio, thanks. How is saying Asamoah's been linked to us a fallacy?
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