ive heard his CL medals are made of chocolate
Antony - Official Manchester United Player
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I like how he puts on that focused face afterwards to act like he didn't just try something show-off-y
But if it makes it more fun and if in turn that funs turns to profitable attitude, plus the fact that the football industry is one of the major entertainment industries (people still talk about Pep-Barça more than they do about Zidane-Real, for instance). In the end winners get the podium, but the biggest winners are the ones that do so in a way that gets you to talk about the way more than the destination. Even 2014 (and 2016 to lesser extent) Atleti is memorable somehow for their different approach to the game getting them to the final. But I'm probably hella biased there, and it probably diminished a bit too after people stopped viewing them as underdogs doing all they can to win and almost beating the galacticos.
Unnecessary sidenote: I'm kinda glad people people dislike Atleti again, people calling you a bandwagon around 2013-2016 was hella tiring, even if I became a fan around 2005, the season prior to the window they signed an interesting talent from Independiente who nicknamed himself after some ugly cartoon character called Kum-Kum.
Mm, sounds delicious to be honest.
I love it. I never said it was a bad thing but yeah he did that to show people if he can. Which is not a bad thing, means he has loads of confidence.
Of course this signing could go either way, but some of the doom here is just unreal. He's 22 years old and was a top priority of a manager who most of us seem to trust, not to mention a player in a position we desperately need to improve - and have for years.
He's one of those players that might get kicked around a bit, but also one that will get everybody on the edge of their seat. Christ, just trust the manager and the player's obvious talent and start to worry if his performances are hitting standard
He's one of those players that might get kicked around a bit, but also one that will get everybody on the edge of their seat. Christ, just trust the manager and the player's obvious talent and start to worry if his performances are hitting standard
Sometimes when we buy a player people shoot down any valid criticism. @Yagami is right, Antony is not particularly a great dribbler and gets by players in the same way Sancho does. Antony has more pace than Sancho but is still not an aggressive and direct dribbler. They are unlikely to leave any markers the get by in the dust so often stop and slow the game down to facilitate intricate passing moves.
I think there is potential for them to be a lot more direct but body strength will be very important. Nani in his first few years was a bit similar but once he got a bit stronger he was dribbling players for fun.
Just from all the videos and highlights of Antony, you rarely see him dribble vertically into the penalty box beating more than one man without checking back. This is what the pacey dribblers like Coman, Vinicius, Diaz, Neymar etc are able to do. Antony is not like these players.
I think there is potential for them to be a lot more direct but body strength will be very important. Nani in his first few years was a bit similar but once he got a bit stronger he was dribbling players for fun.
Just from all the videos and highlights of Antony, you rarely see him dribble vertically into the penalty box beating more than one man without checking back. This is what the pacey dribblers like Coman, Vinicius, Diaz, Neymar etc are able to do. Antony is not like these players.
“Short, can’t win headers, sketchy on PKs”
Atleti is the most cnutish football team in the modern age. And it says a lot when you have players like Neymar and Di Maria around, they don't even play for Atleti.
100m means he is a worse player than Lingard.
There is countless videos of him literally kicking and running past an opponent. How can you ignore the evidence right in front of your eyes?
Kluivert was denied a work permit because he hasn’t played enough games for Roma, that’s got nothing to do with international football.
He played a bunch of games for Nice last season on loan but he hasn’t played any minutes this season for Roma so the permit was denied.
Some posters on here seem like living in alternate universe, and @Yagami is having a mare in this thread. Fecking Twilight Zone on here, might be good for me to not go into this thread for a while, I might start doubting reality.
Playing him rashford and martial on a front 3 is criminal.
He deserve better teammate than these dross
He deserve better teammate than these dross
So Antony is a direct and pacey vertical dribbler ala Vinicius, Coman, Diaz, Dembele?
His 0-5m dash with the ball is amazing. Will be fun to watch methinks.
eh
could've been worse, sometimes it sucks to watch them but it's nice to see domination in different manners. Not that they've succeeded a lot lately, but there's room for more than triangles at CB. Also, if you paid attention you'd see more variety in their setups, then you would have noticed players like Lemar and Felix and even less creative players like Carrasco and Griezmann get plenty room to show off their talents. They just have to work hard and do all they can to win. If you're not in the shape to get past a single goal, then try to scrape out that 1-0 to the finish line.
Plus it even sucks to watch Liverpool and City at times too
Hope ETH will get Utd out of the yawn decade though, at least they seem to acquire some of the Atleti mentality in the last two games, which will help them a lot more than the Ole-famed United culture
That's fine but unlike Raess, I provided you with the website in which I got my data, so it allows you to have a look for yourself.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/364315/History/Antony
This forum is fecking bonkers haha, how could you watch 2 mins of any of these Antony videos and come to the conclusion that he's not a great dribbler, and is a similar player to Sancho 
Go and watch videos of Sancho dribbling at Dortmund. It's really not as funny as you think.This forum is fecking bonkers haha, how could you watch 2 mins of any of these Antony videos and come to the conclusion that he's not a great dribbler, and is a similar player to Sancho
There appears to be some confusion between dribbles and progressive carries I would suggest. FBRef has the number of successful dribbles per game similar to Whoscored, slightly less actually, but in turn has him in the 98th percentile for both carries and progressive carries (Sancho for example is 79th and 94th for those stats respectively and Rashford, who's place he'll likely be taking, is 18th and 16th percentile - yes really). The stats show that over 60% of his attempted dribbles aren't successful but that in fairness that he is fouled almost as often as he is actually dispossessed.
I have, they don't look alike as players. Sancho literally never does kick + run, Antony definitely does.
That's not true. Sancho knocked the ball past players and beat them for pace his problem is there's a limit on the number of yards he can keep that advantage and that's why he stops to check back in. Antony is faster that Sancho on that I agree but Antony has the same issue as Sancho in that respect. He might blow by a player but he generally doesn't leave them especially if they are side by side.
A quick look at his duels with Malacia or Cucurella would highlight this. The athleticism of PL fullbacks is extremely high and I don't think Antony is fast or strong enough to get by them in a pure foot race.
This doesn't mean I think Antony isn't a top player but I think he's more of a Mahrez type than Martinelli or Sterling who are direct pacey dribblers.
He has played six months in Holland. I hope he doesn't have any notions about being above anything at man united
I haven't seen enough of Ajax so I can only go by the stats and video evidence, and that is quite clearly showing yes.
What exactly are you seeing different? Antony takes people on the inside, the outside, he does tricks to get passed people or he can kick and run and burn them for acceleration.
He can beat 2, sometimes 3 people in 1 attempt. I really don't understand what you consider a good dribbler if none of these things count?
My favourite flair player from United was Nani. Hopefully Antony could become an upgraded version of him in terms of end product. Now after not liking any of the players in United last season, it is exciting to look forward for the development of Antony.
Thanks for clearing that up, pal.
It seems we make up problems with these players. Modern wide forwards aren’t asked to blow past fullbacks as if it’s 2006. Even Rashford doesn’t do that when not asked to get on the shoulder for a ball over the top.
It’s not a problem. A lot of their focus is on breaking down low blocks or the press which negates any ability to get past a FB and stay past him.
He's clearly not as fast as those players. I will revisit this thread when he plays his first few games for us. The players I mentioned would give Kyle Walker a battle when running with the ball. Antony cannot do that.
A lot of you will be in for a surprise when you see how little Antony uses the supposed burners he's meant to have.
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That makes the most sense. By chance, do you know which of those 2 metrics are a better indicator or what the difference is? Makes sense, just by watching, that Rashford is much lower in progressive carries versus the other 2.
I dont think hes in the Kyle Walker bracket of pace, but hes got enough to worry defenders. Reminds me very much of Mahrez in that sense.
Think it's not about speed for him, but more about positioning and keeping possession.
Unlike Sancho, he stays on the right and likes playing there, so will stretch our attacks that are way too narrow.
ETH system is basically about finding space by quickly moving the ball to the other side of the pitch, and need players stretching the opposition and staying down the line.
Hope he ll justifies his price tag, but I think he will find it hard coming into this team.
Unlike Sancho, he stays on the right and likes playing there, so will stretch our attacks that are way too narrow.
ETH system is basically about finding space by quickly moving the ball to the other side of the pitch, and need players stretching the opposition and staying down the line.
Hope he ll justifies his price tag, but I think he will find it hard coming into this team.
I too think that is most important. SAF described hazard having that change of pace. Hoping Antony has it. Lets see.
12 has just passed and if i understand correctly that was a deadline for player to be registered before our match tomorrow to be able to play. So that surely is out of the question now. Does he need to have all that work permit sorted before window closes or we only need to get all that documents we made a deal with Ajax ?
But that would make no sense in case of buying players from abroad in the last hours of the window, so i hope we only need to worry if he will be able to be in the squad against Arsenal.
But that would make no sense in case of buying players from abroad in the last hours of the window, so i hope we only need to worry if he will be able to be in the squad against Arsenal.
Right, so you're after a speed merchant rather than a good dribbler.
Yagami vs ETH
Who will be vindicated
Who will be vindicated
Yeah Vinicius, Coman and Dembele are just speed merchants
People only see what they want mate. Can’t let the truth get in the way of a thesaurus checked mammoth post to make them look experts.
Fun fact, ERIC MAXIM CHOUPO-MOTING had a higher dribble success rate than Conan last yearYeah Vinicius, Coman and Dembele are just speed merchants
What’s this fecking obsession with pace these days? It seems like if a player isn’t Usain Bolt level quick then he’s useless. Antony’s more than fast enough, it’s his acceleration that is more impressive and that’s more beneficial when taking on players. People need to stop the bitching and moaning before the fellas even kicked a ball for us.
Progressive carries are any movement in the opponents half with the ball of at least 5 yards towards the goal (or any carry into the penalty area) whereas dribbles are obviously where a player directly tries to go past a player. I'd consider them to be very different statistics really because one relates to getting the ball closer to goal more often and the other relates to one v one situations. It's clear that his consistency isn't there with going past players, but he's 22 and it's not uncommon for a younger player to take the high risk high reward type of play in terms of going past a man and that'll come with time & coaching - either he'll pick and choose his moments better (ala Mahrez for example, very similar numbers in terms of dribbles per game despite attempting far less) or he'll become better at it and go past players with more regularity.
I don't really understand the concerns around his pace to be honest. His top recorded speed on record in a Champions League game equals the fastest Rashford has been recorded at and is quicker than anything Dan James recorded, for example. Besides, Ten Hag will want us long term to be playing 65-70% of the game in the opponents half, in those instances pace - other than 5 yard bursts (which he is exceptional at) is pretty well negated.
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