People are getting too strung on the numbers. Antony isn’t really an inside forward masquerading as a winger like most wide players in football these days.
Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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I struggle to see how we would get him for that price. With the current market prices, the fact that Ajax know we are desperate and the United tax I think we would need to pay around 50 to 60 million euros (upfront plus add ons) to really stand a chance.
I thought this 100mil thing was parody
It was an obvious exaggeration to emphasise the point. Frankly I’m not sure any player has proven to be worth £100m.
Surely if he wants to leave which I think he does then Ajax won’t want to keep an unhappy player. If we put in the amount they want then they’ll sell him. It’s all about how much we’re willing to pay them. He’s already said whenever ten Hag needs him he’ll be there.
Luis Diaz had 6 goals and 2 assists in his age 22 season for what it's worth which gives a goals and assists minus penalties of 0.41. Antony's was 0.63 last year. Players usually improve after age 22 - which I guess its difficult for us United fans to remember sometimes!
The prices suggested are ridiculous for a player who's numbers aren't spectacular in the dutch league.
The main counter I can see is that there aren't that many quality right wing options about compared to the left (listing by market value on Transfermarkt below):
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spi...&jahrgang=0&land_id=0&kontinent_id=0&yt0=Show
The main counter I can see is that there aren't that many quality right wing options about compared to the left (listing by market value on Transfermarkt below):
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spi...&jahrgang=0&land_id=0&kontinent_id=0&yt0=Show
As if you have any clue about the prices. Just shows the sorry state of our fans where they decide the price behind a keyboard because they played fifa or FM.
Anyways, I will let you continue on it.
Modric cost 35, Dembele 120, Robertson 8, Maguire 80, Van Dijk 80, Kepa 60, Coutinho 150.....see the pattern? Players (as everything) cost how much someone wants to pay them and for how much someone wants to sell them.
So Antony can be 10 and can be 100. I never understood when fans start throwing "fair" fees
Tune. Just listened to it yesterday.
My feeling is that the current market has become more reasonable based on several transfers already done. Let’s see what happens once the window officially opens.
From that list, Barcelona are one of the offenders for constantly overpaying and are now in a financial crisis.
I think there's also an expectation based on which league a player is moving from. What's the record for a transfer from the Eredivisie? Can't be more than €50m can it?
Its more than 50m euros
I don’t think anyone mentioned ‘fair fees’ he’s likely not leaving this summer but if he does it will be closer to 100 than 10
Just because you are too dense to have an opinion doesn’t mean others don’t/can’t have one - a well educated one considering the information to hand, it’s hardly fecking rocket science
€75 - De Ligt & De Jong (forgot those funnily enough despite talking about Barca's bad business)
Then it's €42 for Davidson Sanchez
€37 for Zyech
So from the standpoint of the Dutch league alone I think we could put a fair price range for Antony in the 30-40 range.
I agree Antony shouldn't really be costing over 45m euros. However if Ajax do not want to sell, then…
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Inflation and desperation for a RW will add at least another €10-15m to that.
Raphinha is right there for 55-60m. Get him instead.
Think he wants Barca. We could probably get Antony for 55m he’s a few years younger. Not that he should cost that much but that’s what they’ll roughly want for him.
He wants Barca.
Well educated information in hand ? What well educated information you have , proves he is worth 60 ? For a supposedly well educated person, what makes you think 40m is too low ?
Just asked that question earlier but you blanked. So asking again . Care to explain ?
Chukweuze has dropped of a cliff and you would be talking 25-30m for a player doing nothing. Scored 3 goals and 3 assists in 1400 mins last year. Might as well just stick with Martial at that rate
Ziyech would be a terrible option, there is a reason he hasn't worked.
That list does show the problem. The fact that pulisic is in the top 8 value wise...
The only ones available to us from the top 20 are Pino who would be a huge gamble and would cost us 40-50m, Sarr .. jesus, Asensio who has been meh for a while and would be a player coming because he has nowhere else to go, maybe Zaniolo?
The guy has come out and said he doesnt want to go to a PL club, and Leeds would absolutely rinse us even if he did. would cost us 60m quid, and doesn't even have the skills we want. Avoid if his head is in Barca
The blatant disregard for Antony’s numbers in the Champions League is completely bizarre.
Why is everyone just ignoring that and focusing on his stats in the Dutch League?
I know it’s because his numbers in the CL look good, so it doesn’t fit the narrative, but to act like they just don’t exist is very weird behaviour. And it’s not one or two posters doing it, it’s pretty much the majority.
Pretending the CL doesn’t exist because you don’t like a player’s shithousery. Weirdo summer on the Caf.
Why is everyone just ignoring that and focusing on his stats in the Dutch League?
I know it’s because his numbers in the CL look good, so it doesn’t fit the narrative, but to act like they just don’t exist is very weird behaviour. And it’s not one or two posters doing it, it’s pretty much the majority.
Pretending the CL doesn’t exist because you don’t like a player’s shithousery. Weirdo summer on the Caf.
I'm not saying his goals don't count but Ajax's champions league group was almost Europa League quality.
It’s a CL group. The teams in that group were in the CL for a reason. I’m not sure what you’re looking for here. Are you saying we should only sign players who have scored or assisted against Real Madrid?
Also weird that people are only making this about goals. He’s not a striker. But again, I know why. It’s because his assists make the “numbers” look better. So it’s easier to just ignore them.
Not really. Borruisa Dortmund was in their group
Hopefully, he is next on the agenda.
People will genuinely make shit up here to fit their narrative. Antony has good numbers in the CL? Oh it's because his CL group is shit mate even though Dortmund and Sporting is in it. Meanwhile we barely qualified from a group with Atalanta, Villarreal and Young Boys.
A Europa Conference league group.
It really is a weirdo summer here. Everyone just wants to complain or dismiss players we may be going after. Then when another club gets the player, even for a ridiculous fee, cry about how we didn't do anything to get them.
People are crying about Antony; Nunez plays for Benfica and moved for a massive fee. Tchouemeni plays in the French league and moved for close to Pogba money. Yet us trying to sign FDJ with numbers of 69m is them fleecing us.
I'm really happy that we aren't having a mass buy window where we are signing a bunch of unknown entities like we did in 2015 and 2016 under LVG. We aren't panic buying or buying unknowns to full fan appetite for transfers. We also aren't selling high profile players due to having a bad season under poor managers.
Maybe because you can fluke a win or stats in the CL but not in a league.
The number of games is bigger so it gives a better perspective.
Also because of the motivation the CL gives to players and clubs. Big clubs are motivated to win it and so are those players, but at least half of the teams just go in a "try to do your best and have fun" vibe, since most groups are finished before they start.
I don't get why people don't like the look of him. I think he looks really good and at 22 he'll only get better. Left footed RW too. Skillful, entertaining, works hard in defence... He's everything we've wanted for years. Now the player is finally there, and wants to sign for us, and people turn their nose up at him. I'm confident if we signed him he'd change opinions pretty quickly anyway. As long as it's a decent fee.
Ajax CL group actually was of EL quality. We got 18 points, scoring 18 goals. Dortmund was total garbage at that point, we beat them 4-0 and 1-3. Antony’s Numbers are inpressive, but so are Steven Berghuis’ coming from midfield. When it mattered most, in two games against Benfica, Antony was invisible
It was the same with Mane. People know feck all.
I’ve not seen that much of Antony, but been frustrated whenever I watched him by how sloppy he is. Hoewever, I really dont care if EtH wants him. First, he know the player better than «anyone». Second, he knows more about football (and the demands of his football) than most.
you won't mind selling him then
He may be sloppy at times, many young, flair players are. It's about seeing the potential. It's as though people forget what the likes of Ronaldo were like when they were younger. But even so, I'm pretty sure his ball retention figures stack up favourably against the alternatives people suggest.
I would actually. I think he is a fine player for Ajax, I don’t think a potential replacement would improve us. I just don’t think he is good enough to be a star in the Prem.
I doubt it. We’re more likely to sign a better right back and move Sancho over to the right again
I think he will be, but you have obviously seen more of him than me. Can you elaborate a bit more?
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