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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
The king is doing the business. Fair play for him.
If he had gone from Ajax, for a reasonable price, and he was doing what he is currently doing at Betis, would anyone bat an eyelid and want him at United, or the PL at all?
Suspect he will return if there are no buyers willing to pay a decent fee. Might not be a bad thing if he retains his Spain form.
There will be taker but we will sell him at a huge loss. It's inevitable. Take the money for rebuild with more suitable player. He is not the right fit for PL.
I hope we sell him as well. The thought of another loan without being able to get a transfer fee that can be applied to a new player doesn't sound particularly appealing.
We have to get some cash for him, seriously, the goal against Girona was on a plate, he could not miss, (unless he was at Old Trafford!!), as a "top" "international standard" he should score that goal. Perhaps some fans have goldfish memories, he was shockingly poor, his one trick was predicted by EVERY defender, goalkeeper, and every United fan, not forgetting every opposition fan. Also opposing players for Girona were van de Beek (whose career went down the toilet after joining us) and Daley Blind (who I thought a decent signing for us), but at 35, I would argue that's the class of a fair amount of players Antony would come up against. Certainly nothing remotely like Forest/Brentford/Palace etc., defenders who give everything. Please sell him.
What's the minimum it would cost for us to not got done by PSR or whatever it is? If it's over £30m we're screwed, can't see anyone forking out that much for him.
My preference would be that we sell him in the summer.
However, if he does come back, I would be keen to see how he does as a RWB. Amorim was keen to get his considered back up so didn’t really try him and sent him on loan. Can’t see his attacking qualities being worse that Dalot although we would lose something defensively.
However, if he does come back, I would be keen to see how he does as a RWB. Amorim was keen to get his considered back up so didn’t really try him and sent him on loan. Can’t see his attacking qualities being worse that Dalot although we would lose something defensively.
correct, depends on what kind of offer is made
Think it is closer to 40M than 30M at this point based on his fee being spread over 5 years with 2 still to go. This is the main reason there is so much speculation around another loan to Betis for next year with an obligation for around 20M at the end of it. Protects us in PSR terms for next season whilst covering his wages and allows us to get him moved for a manageable fee at the end of that time bearing in mind Betis cannot afford more than that with their revenue. The alternative is to hope that another side with the financial muscle like Athletico Madrid gets involved based on his performances for Betis.
The thought of any of Antony, Rashford, or Sancho returning for next season fills me with dread.
Hopefully they can all be found a new home without screwing us over financially.
Hopefully they can all be found a new home without screwing us over financially.
I don't mind Antony, in fairness, I thought someone on twitter worked out he was on like £70k a week given he's not starting. He also has a very specific type of role he can play in my mind as wing back or RW if we ever go back to that setup. If, at the end of they day, he just becomes a hard working but limited squad player it will be making the best of a bad transfer if we can't sell him.
Lets not forget the past. Antony was awful, his stats are dire. He is not strong enough for PL, he couldnt beat players, was brushed off ball and had no goal threat. He is in the sort of league where he can do well. Terrible signing and take what we can get and move on.
First season I think he was serviceable. Him and Wout basically worked enough off the ball to enable Rashford to basically play as a striker and we finished 3rd, albeit with awful attacking stats + won a cup. I'm not disagreeing the hope is someone pays money for him - I just think this is unlikely - and I would not group him with Sancho and Rashford (two players it seems essential we sell asap)
He was really only awful in his second season, during which he did have a lot of shit going on in his personal life.
In his first season he was decent enough. Not to the extent he should have been starting for us, but if we'd bought him for 20-30m and used him as a squad player there wouldn't have been many complaints. Worked hard, was good at progressing us up the pitch, was able to deal with a press, combined well with others (in deeper areas, not so much around the box), scored some important goals. This season he barely played but the few times Amorim subbed him on at RWB he did quite well, especially when combining with Amad.
In an ideal world we can find a buyer who will pay enough we don't take a hit with PSR, but if we've got to take any of those three players back then Antony is definitely the one.
He’s got some credit in the bank after this loan move. I doubt he will want to come back to sit on the bench, but I do think a WB role could work for him.
I hope he pushes for a move as there will be interest after his time in Spain.
I hope he pushes for a move as there will be interest after his time in Spain.
34 million to be exact to break even.
17million a year is what is account for on PSR.
I imagine he said ”no thanks” to the idea of becoming a wing back, hence the loan.
He’s got a low wage and he’s a better attacking option than a few who play many minutes so it made no sense to loan him.
I'd clean the toilets if United asked me.
If he turned his nose up at being a wing back, which is likely as he visibly moaned on the pitch when he was asked to stand in as a full back despite him being a useless attacker, never let him wear our shirt again.
If he turned his nose up at being a wing back, which is likely as he visibly moaned on the pitch when he was asked to stand in as a full back despite him being a useless attacker, never let him wear our shirt again.
I think that’s highly likely in all honesty. It would be in keeping with prior behaviour and it otherwise made no sense to loan him out.
Might also be why we've not seen Garnacho there (despite many pointing out he could play there). I guess if you are a pro and in demand and the option is a gruelling running role with less pure attacking involvement in a bit of a niche position or an attacking winger, the latter is probably much more appealing.
I can’t imagine Amad is chomping at the bit to play there either, in fact, I can’t imagine many attackers would enjoy it.
I’m sure Dalot thinks it’s great mind.
You and a professional footballer are two different things though, you’re a fan.
Standing in at wing back is one thing, but turning your back on your regular career position probably isn’t that tempting to many.
Being asked to play wingback, will, for many attackers, feel as bad as being asked to convert to fullback.
Shows he doesn't have fight or guts to make it at the highest level in the premier league.
Wing back in this United team is one of the most attacking positions. Poor judgment to turn it down over 'pride'.
It’s all just speculation but regardless, I don’t think an attacker turning down a role where you spend tonnes of time at full back is not having guts or fight myself.
If he's ok being known as the worst premier league signing of all time then leaving is the best option.
As if he’s worse than Sancho, or so far Mount.
At least Antony gave us one decent season with a 3rd placed finish, goals against City, Barca, and a league cup.
The other two… lolz
Antony will also recoup us a nice fee, looks likely Chelsea would prefer to give us 5 million quid than to keep Sancho.
Oh, and Sancho is on a feck tonne more money to boot.
Mount has two season at United, is on more than double Antony. So far his league finishes look like being 8th and 15th, he’s scored 1 goal in 2 years, and 1 league cup assist.
He cost 55 million quid and he earns over 250k /week.
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Yeah agreed. For someone like Dalot, if you’re option is RB or RWB I assume you’re more incentivised to have a more attacking role + he would do a lot of running in either position.
If you’re Garnacho or Amad, and want to be on the ball and getting shots off, bring involved around the box, it’s a tough sell compared to the usual position they’d play.
You're having a bit of a mare in here.
£86million and away to Spain on a free loan, he's the worst for me.
Except he's not even close to that. Just within our current team we have three players who are all worse - Sancho, Hojlund and Mount. Maybe the latter two might turn it around, but there's probably more chance of Antony coming back and turning it around than them doing it.
He is, closely followed by those mentioned.
Sancho cost about the same amount (lower fee but higher wages), has performed worse, was lazy as hell on and off the pitch, and caused a huge amount of drama and trouble behind the scenes. He's not just a worse signing than Antony, he's worse by a significant amount.
Hojlund was a bit cheaper but (bar that two month period) has performed a fair bit worse.
Mount has barely been able to get on the field for two years and has been very average when he did. At this point in time he's definitely been a worse signing, albeit he might be able to change that if he's actually able to stay fit.
The point of the loan has been forgotten. Keep seeing people wondering why it's happened.
It was to get him somewhere he's playing and playing well. Therefore making it easier and more fruitful to sell him come summer.
So far looking good.
I am not considering the wages but onl the transfer fees. Sancho was at least showing top class performances at Dortmund before joining us, so he came with different expectations. Antony made us the most laughable club at that time as no other club in the world would have paid that same amount. And even us fans would question why we have paid so much for him. Sancho, Hojlund and Mount (plus A.Sanchez, Pogba, Lukaku, Onana, the list goes on) are all among the worst EPL transfers but in my opinion Antony is the no.1.
As if he’s worse than Sancho, or so far Mount.
At least Antony gave us one decent season with a 3rd placed finish, goals against City, Barca, and a league cup.
The other two… lolz
Antony will also recoup us a nice fee, looks likely Chelsea would prefer to give us 5 million quid than to keep Sancho.
Oh, and Sancho is on a feck tonne more money to boot.
Mount has two season at United, is on more than double Antony. So far his league finishes look like being 8th and 15th, he’s scored 1 goal in 2 years, and 1 league cup assist.
He cost 55 million quid and he earns over 250k /week.
The Sancho signing has been a fecking disaster, but this comment made me curious about how him and Anthony actually compared in that 3rd placed season. In terms of G/A:
Sancho had 9 PL G/A in 26 appearances (1700 minutes).
Anthony had 6 PL G/A in 25 appearances (1828).
Seems a bit odd to try and credit Anthony for that season but not Sancho. Think it’s fair to say both were underwhelming in that league campaign whilst chipping in with the odd goal contribution. Overall, both have been terrible signings which have left us with similarly tricky financial burdens. Arguing which one was worse feels like a particularly futile endeavour.
Wow, did I completely misremember Sancho being sent away for months that season, was it another season that happened?
Looked now, interesting. Clearly Antony had a better overall season in all comps, with 15 g/a compared to 10 for Jadon.
Guess despite his time away, he wasn’t that useless over that season, just a sub in our League Cup final.
All in all though…
One has had 2 full seasons, with one of them getting top 4 and a league cup. The second season was useless.
The other has had 3 full seasons, the first he finished 6th with no silverware and his manager got fired. The second was ok I guess but his recurring “issues” kept him away for a few months, then our €85m euros player wasn’t even deemed good enough to start the cup final.
His 3rd season was a complete disaster and he fell out with the manager and club over more of his “issues”.
His first loan to Dortmund was wank, and now his second loan is as “meh” as it gets and it appears Chelsea may prefer to pay us 5 million quid to give him back.
Antony’s new team has been in ridiculous form since he joined as one of the first names on the team sheet and they are all desperate to keep him. Hardly surprising because one thing you could never doubt him for was his work ethic and effort, unlike the other useless lazy manchild.
Crystal clear to me which is BY FAR the worse signing of the two.
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He was sent away for months, and still contributed more goal contributions to that league campaign than Anthony, who apparently “gave us one decent season with a 3rd placed finish”.
Did you miss the part where I said “arguing which one was worse feels like a particularly futile endeavour”?
You can expend as many paragraphs as you like detailing why terrible signing Anthony was better than terrible signing Sancho. Who fecking cares.
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