superdry
touched by a genius
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Watching him bounce players off yesterday was such a buzz!
Watching him bounce players off yesterday was such a buzz!
This just sums him up and shows how wrong people who say he cant cross are.
Think it rather more shows how misleading stats can be tbh.
Vevside that fits better with your narrative? It's like listening to people say that I don't believe in those numbers or stats because in MY experience. And, to your eyes...Think it rather more shows how misleading stats can be tbh.
if this was an individual stat then I would agree but comparing many wingers/full backs keeping all of them in equal footing, surely the parameters for everyone would have been the same.
to me its quite telling that other fullbacks either dont cross as much or arent accurate with their crosses.
Vevside that fits better with your narrative? It's like listening to people say that I don't believe in those numbers or stats because in MY experience. And, to your eyes...
I think stats have their place, but too often in football they're devoid of context to the point of becoming almost meaningless. This is a prime example.
To sum up, you believe that his crossing is shit whereas I, and quite a few others here, think his crossing is fine and that he varies it quite a lot. Stats back up our argument, not yours. Of course you think that they are devoid of context. If they backed up your argument, I think you would feel otherwise. The fact of the matter is - he crosses more than any other player in the league, and he's a fullback, and he also completes more crosses than any other player in the league with the highest hit percentage. Seeing as all those players are probably measured using the same methods, I'm not sure how your argument is valid.
I don't think it's a particularly difficult sentence I've written above which explains my problems with the particular stat, but by all means have a try at reading it again because your reply is scarcely relevant to what I have said.
How stupid was Janmaat who actually tried the kick and run routine against Valencia - sure he had a head start, but that's just stupid.
This just sums him up and shows how wrong people who say he cant cross are.
People have always complained about Valencia's crossing. It was initially because we had loads of Nani fans who were irate at Valencia getting the nod on the right wing. Valencia's never been one for really whipping a cross into dangerous areas, so aesthetically his crossing can look poor compared to players who put a lot of bend on the ball. His reputation also took a hit in the post-Fergie era when the whole team fell to bits and Valencia's mental anguish was most evident in him slamming the ball into the shins of the nearest defender.
When he's playing well, he actually delivers a hell of a good ball from wide areas, hence the good stats re completion above. He doesn't curl the ball, though. He picks someone to aim for and basically passes them the ball. Should have had two assists yesterday from doing exactly that.
Once again you've simply missed the point.
I do not think completion rates are a good measure of quality of cross: an uncompleted cross can (and often is) more dangerous than a completed cross. It tells you nothing. Darren Fletcher made a similar point about obsessions with pass completion rates in the modern game in an interview he did the other day, and if its true for pass completions (which it is to an extent) then its even more true for crosses.
I have very little problem with Valencia's crossing this season and think he's markedly improved that aspect of a game, along with virtually everything else, but any suggestion that he's the best in the league – which that table would indicate – has to be treated with a massive pinch of salt.
Yeah that was great. Just one of those moments where you think "That won't work" and low and behold, Valencia wins the ball.
Nobody gets past Valencia with that routine, he's not Darmian.
it's a stereotype Valencia's crossing however despite his crossing is pretty accurate, he often doesn't have enough power on the cross, I like rashfords crosses better, Nani had great early crosses too, the ones from Tony V are just floating forever, even though I understand we have Zlatan there who can reach them with his strength and height, he should do more of the cutbacks like for that Zlatan goal against Leicester, sth he used to be very good at when he first joined us and was hailed by SAF as a best winger in the world, right now he's only best rightback in the world and despite not watching regularly any big competition hard to argue with that statement from José, he's outstanding, nothing can beat him, can keep the ball under pressure and he's always there to attack, sometimes alone that right wing. Some ppl might still argue about his crossing or overall attacking contribution but we should think about him as a RB and for a RB he's done fantastically well going forward..
This just sums him up and shows how wrong people who say he cant cross are.
Probably a better measure would be to see how many crosses resulted in shots. Case in point: Valencia swung in two absolutely brilliant crosses against Watford, one of which Ibrahimovic shanked, and the other resulted in a shot from Pogba that forced a good save from Gomez.Would like to see how many crosses led to goals for each of those players too. Somehow Valencia's crosses don't end up in goals as often as they should. But that is partly a function of how defensive opposition teams usually are with us, leading to a packed box.
Bit hard to protect him when Valencia isspending most of the time in front of him. Hes playing far too high and getting caught time and time again. He needs to learn he can't do that when we aren't keeping possession well.Mata is not very useful in terms of protection of a RB.
Is he told to not bother defending at all tonight? Absolutely terrible, I was criticising Bailly earlier but Valencia is the main reason why Bailly is playing so poorly, leaving him exposed all the time.
Is he told to not bother defending at all tonight? Absolutely terrible, I was criticising Bailly earlier but Valencia is the main reason why Bailly is playing so poorly, leaving him exposed all the time.
Mata is not very useful in terms of protection of a RB.
Valencia has left Bailly exposed a couple of times and has had a poor game but that's not to blame for Bailly's numerous brain farts. Both been poor tonight and don't seem to have an understanding.
Yeah, Bailly's been poor with ir without Valencia, I agree with that. Not defending him, but it must be ridiculously hard to play next to Valencia tonight.
He should have had an assist for Lingars,easily. He also had a deflected shot and at least one decent cross. His crossing was a little off tonight.He is just too frustrating for me, no matter how good he is at lot of things, he is terrible at some key things. For a player who is allowed to attack so much and who actually gets so many good balls he is creating very little. Should have created at least two or three chances more tonight by simply not messing the pass or cross and he couldn't do it. That's something that happens in every game.
I simply can't rate a fullback so highly who is so poor whenever he actually has to do something effective with the ball.
He is just too frustrating for me, no matter how good he is at lot of things, he is terrible at some key things. For a player who is allowed to attack so much and who actually gets so many good balls he is creating very little. Should have created at least two or three chances more tonight by simply not messing the pass or cross and he couldn't do it. That's something that happens in every game.
I simply can't rate a fullback so highly who is so poor whenever he actually has to do something effective with the ball.
This just sums him up and shows how wrong people who say he cant cross are.