Yeah, you're clearly not basing that on actual performances in real life though. You just think that because he didn't start his career as a right-back and so he'll always be inferior to you.
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Yeah, you're clearly not basing that on actual performances in real life though. You just think that because he didn't start his career as a right-back and so he'll always be inferior to you.
As long as we don't ask him to run the entire right hand side he's very good. Just make sure there's a proper right midfielder in front of him rather than Mata.
It's unfortunate for Valencia. He's been a big part of some of our worst football. It's hard to shake off some of those memories.
If we play him as a traditional right back though he'll do just fine.
It's unfortunate for Valencia. He's been a big part of some of our worst football. It's hard to shake off some of those memories.
If we play him as a traditional right back though he'll do just fine.
Thanks for that informed response. Really made me think!!!
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Thousand words right there mate.
How much thinking does responding to a list of players require? You give no reasons why blatantly worse performers are supposedly better right backs.
When will all our fans start appreciating Valencia at RB?
It's really helped - I now believe that Valencia is unquestionably the outstanding right back in the Premier League. I feel utterly ashamed that I ever questioned this.
In reality, who do you think is actually consistently better than him? I was thinking it last night, his athleticism is unreal, ridiculous energy levels, positioning can be suspect but with his work rate he seems to atone for any errors. He is vey physical and not bad at tackling and constantly gets forward and this season I've noticed he'll raise his head before crossing rather than aimlessly drill one in I really rate him.. I'd go as far as saying he is in the top 5 in his position in the world, the only other players I'd say that for in our XI would be DDG, Ibra isn't far off either.
I think we'll have to agree to differ here. I agree that he's a great athlete but I don't see what else he offers other than that.
Out of my original list (of which I agree 10 was a stretch) I genuinely believe that Bellerin, Coleman, Clyne, Walker and Sagna are much better than Valencia. He's just in that next bracket of average right backs.
Clyne, Walker and Bellerin maybe, just maybe a bit better than Tony because they are actually right backs and weren't turned into one when they are 30. however it was not the case apparently if you look at the displays last night of his and Clyne's. But the rest of the players you mentioned, I can't even think you're being serious?
Edit: If you think he's just a great athletes and doesn't offer much of anything else, what are those thing that these other right backs offer? I thought we're comparing him to Alves, Lahm or someone of that stature.
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Sounds a bit like Bellerin, Walker, Clyne and that wonderful FB Johnson he included in his informed little list
Bellerin - Currently he isn't as good as AV, however I believe he has potential beyond anyone on the list, but surely not better at the moment?
Coleman - Coleman is in decline after already peaking IMO, can't see how you think he is better.
Clyne - I'd agree he is on par, what does he do better?
Walker - Too inconsistent for me, I'd rate Valencia better as he's faster, stronger and has a better cross
Sagna - I haven't seen enough of Sagna this season to comment.
Sounds a bit like Bellerin, Walker, Clyne and that wonderful FB Johnson he included in his informed little list
That's my point, I don't see how they are clearly above Antonio, I'd agree with being on par (bar Johnson
), but I don't see what they have that he doesn't yet I can point out items that he is better at..But despite Valencia being on a par with 9 other P.L right backs you'd have him in a world XIThat's my point, I don't see how they are clearly above Antonio, I'd agree with being on par (bar Johnson
He very rarely loses the ball. He gets up and down the pitch as well as any other premier league fullback. He has an excellent first touch. Do you disagree with any of those?
I'm not sure I'd go as far as excellent on his first touch. So do you think getting up and down the pitch and not losing the ball very much is a description of a top right-back?
I think he offers a hell of a lot more than that but was just offering three obvious attributes other than just being a good athlete.
So you think that ability to get up and down the pitch is different from being a good athlete?
Agree with everything except the crossing bit. There's probably nobody worse at crossing the ball than Valencia. The amount of time he hits the first defender is infuriating.
Also, no left foot
Solid right back in my opinion.
No agreed to him being on par with Bellerin, Walker & Clyne, (3, not 9) and I think currently he is better than all 3 mentioned, by "on par", I simply meant he is in the same tier as.
Agree with everything except the crossing bit. There's probably nobody worse at crossing the ball than Valencia. The amount of time he hits the first defender is infuriating.
Also, no left foot
Solid right back in my opinion.
Not sure if you read that correctly, I said "I'd rate Valencia better as he's faster, stronger and has a better cross", not Walker, but Valencia..
They are different, being a good athlete is one of the things that helps you get good at getting "up and down the pitch", you have to have some tactical nous to know when as well though, you need that timing or running laps of the channel is pointless.
Let's not change the subject here. No one stated that he is a TOP right back in the world of football. You just happened to list a bunch of names that have no business even talking about being better than Valencia at anything, no argument to back it up.
I think I did read it correctly. You're saying Valencia has a better cross. I say no, Valencia can't cross.
Valencia has a fantastic first touch. Watch matches and see him control the ball pretty much perfectly with his first touch - the drilled passes from Scholes probably forced him to become that good, but Valencia also stated that he loved playing in tight corners as he rarely lost the ball - and he almost never does.
Valencia is properly fast, but faster than Walker? Walker outpaced Bale easily enough in the Euros. I'd say they are on par, but Walker has at least as good a cross. Valencia is more consistent and I would not swap the two.
I think Clyne is awfully suspect defensively. He leaves huge gaps behind him and isn't very disciplined. He also lacks Valencia's pace and strength. He's probably a better dribbler though. Coleman isn't as good as Valencia - he had one great season but has been average since. Sagna was great, but he has lost a little pace now; if Rashford did to Valencia what he did to Sagna we would be livid. Walker has a pretty high top level but is far too inconsistent. Bellerin has huge potential, but is also quite suspect defensively and is easier to take on one on one than Valencia. Only one who is probably faster than Valencia though.
Well that question resulted from an informed answer of yours, and no, no one claimed they would have Valencia in their World XI. He only said he is top 5 in his position that can be picked our from our starting XI. Also yes, my dickhead has difficulties learning, it just kept banging on the same crap.
Excuse me, I thought you agreed about Valencia's crossing, I think it's been a lot better this season.
I don't think Walker is quicker without the ball, without the ball maybe..
Why can I not see the last quote you made of his insulting you? I was trying to figure out what his response was to..
Why? What's it got to do with you????
I was interested to know what provoked such a silly response, I think you need to calm down, I'm not attacking you; You appear to be having a nightmare though, just remember it's a forum to talk about football, it's not a serious fight to the death..
Valencia's stronger, one of the strongest full backs in the league, but I wouldn't say he's any better than Walker at anything else. Both rely on their pace to get out of trouble rather than intelligent positioning, but Valencia probably has better stamina. Walker isn't too bad at crossing either.
I don't think there is a better right back in the league, bar maybe Bellerin. Certainly no one I'd rather have at United.
and Bellerin is on the proviso he'd improve and become better I take it as currently I wouldn't say he's as good ..
That's exaggerating, last game when we drew, he was send into a great chance and absolutely failed to take the ball under control and messed up the counter, it was in the second half I think at the end of the game we could have scored... it's not the first time it let him down, Scholes passes were not all usually difficult to control as it flies all the time in the world, floating in the air and it's got very straight trajectory.
Valencia had a great game last night, and that sliding tackle was absolutely awesome, as well as the backheel flick to Bailly in the first half, shame he could use more brain at times and try to play a riskier pass or just provide consistent quality on delivery..
I think Bellerin is the better defender, having played frequently at centre half, he has defensive qualities that Valencia lacks. He will probably move to Barca in a few years, and become the best in the world in his position.
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