I don't care, just saying criticism would be more valid if it was balanced.
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I don't care, just saying criticism would be more valid if it was balanced.
He has been playing as fullback but that only doesn't make him proper fullback, and for me he is still a makeshift fullback. But as u said he did very well today.
Stop with this, Like @Bugshot said, he's been playing it for 3 years now (and had a few games there in the SAF years too). I keep coming to this example, but do you still call Bastian a winger?
He was always a hugely defensively aware winger, covering our RB's over the years.... so out of every other winger we've had at this club, the one you could see playing RB and doing well was Valencia.
He's our best RB and been that way for a few years now, hopefully he can stay fit, we'll miss his qualities otherwise.
He's our best RB and been that way for a few years now, hopefully he can stay fit, we'll miss his qualities otherwise.
I'm a detractor I guess, I used to love him but feel he fell off a bit. Absolutely great in pre season and great again today. Hope he keeps it up.
I've been a critic, harshly so at times, but he's winning me over.
He's coming back... and he didn't kill any shins today.
The criticism isn't balanced though.
That's my point.
Valencia has been a very good player for us for much longer than people will give him credit for.
He was excellent today.
Valencia, Bailly, Smalling, Pogba, Zlatan...
That's half our starting eleven, and one hell of a physical presence.
Valencia, Bailly, Smalling, Pogba, Zlatan...
That's half our starting eleven, and one hell of a physical presence.
Tony is turning out to be a key player in mourinho's team. Excellent again today. The right flank was all his today. Hope Shaw can pick up this sameness
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He actually hasnt though, he only started playing RB regularly 18 months ago in the second half of 14/15. Before that over his United career he only played there 12-16 times. It has been proven on here several times now
Yes hes playing fulltime as a fullback now and playing well but its a more recent move than most seem to realize.
I meant 2 years. 2 years playing in 1 position, is enough time to say he plays in that position
I see that he gave himself a vote for MOTM 
he's converted winger but he plays as a fullback for some time, the same as Blind as a defender but we could wait on that
I wasnt arguing that mate only the length of time hes played there. He's a right back now i agree cant see him playing as a winger again.
Of course if i was a pedant i would say it still isnt 2 years but i wont
Saw thatI see that he gave himself a vote for MOTM
Retweeting Uniteds Motm poll. Had to vote for him though. Was a tank all day and a tank all pre season. Him and Bailly next to each other is If anyone needed to get the LVG rubbed out of him - it's him. Well started with Fergie when he became Turn Back Tony but, with Mou wanting more directness, hopefully see what made him one of the most feared wide players. Obviously as RB he'll have to still be a bit more conservative but, think we will likely be a lot less frustrated with him this season.
Shades of 2012 Valencia. So good to see him back in form.
Anyone still thinking he has lost pace? King is blistering, but he didn't get an inch on Valencia, but Valencia had him beaten a couple of times. It's come to the point that the really fast wingers have realized they can't beat him for pace, so they don't even try. I also think his defensive contribution is really solid. At the moment, he's our best fullback - Shaw obviously having more talent, but Valencia is outperforming him.
Definitely looked slower. Mind you, he was possibly the fastest player in the league a few years ago, and is still fast as feck, just not quite as explosive. He's just continued to bulk up more and more to make up for that though.
He looks faster and more agile now than last year. That bolt he had in his foot probably caused some irritation. I think Bellerin is the fastest in the league, but Valencia is up there.
Not sure if he is faster then last year, but the I was thinking compared to him in 2012 or even 2013. Like take this for example...
That sprint really was something! I think it was against Blackburn that the manager said they double marked him, but in the end it was pointless. He may have lost a little bit of acceleration compared to his very fastest, but as you said, he was lightning. He still has more speed to go past pretty much any other fullback though. His speed combined with his strength makes him a handful.
Quality servant to the club. Adaptable, strong, fast as hell, never give up and works for the team. Exactly what you want from your fullback.
If he gives us such performances in the next few weeks like he has done in pre-season, against Leicester and now against Bournemouth then i change my opinion about him too.
A renaissance worthy of Da Vinci. Long may it continue.
He doesn't give a feck we scored.
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Darmian didn't make the bench today did he? I'd be worried for his game time if I was him, I could easily see us bin him back to Italy with Fosu-Mensah as the second choice RB. At Darmian's age he really should be playing consistent football which he certainly won't get with Valencia's start so far.
He doesn't give a feck we scored.
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Darmian didn't make the bench today did he? I'd be worried for his game time if I was him, I could easily see us bin him back to Italy with Fosu-Mensah as the second choice RB. At Darmian's age he really should be playing consistent football which he certainly won't get with Valencia's start so far.
Hasnt made the becnh in either competitive games, He might get game time in the League cup and Europa league.
I've wanted him out of the starting lineup for a while but he's been a revelation recently. He can even cross the ball now. If he can just sort his occasional positional errors out he's the perfect RB, much like Luke Shaw on the other side.
I was a critic of his when he was first moved to right back in LVGs first season. Seems to have stopped having lapses in concentration and also his positioning is better, and having Jose as manager will only help with this. Have to say he is one of our most consistent performers now
Two full years really - both under Van Gaal..for Moyes he was still more a winger than a fullback. Under Fergie he was only there the odd time as a stop gap.
Yeah, you're right, I corrected myself a few posts ago
He's won me over as a fullback. It also helps him out having Zlatan there so he can basically just loft a cross and it will end up looking dangerous.
As the glass-half-empty kind of guy I am, I have to find something negative, so he has to stop dallying so much on throw-ins, takes him forever to get the ball into play.
As the glass-half-empty kind of guy I am, I have to find something negative, so he has to stop dallying so much on throw-ins, takes him forever to get the ball into play.
Remember when we played Dortmund and he got absolutely destroyed? Lets wait until he comes up against good opposition before we start saying how good he is again.
I'm probably Valencia's Anne Wilkes but I do agree with you on this point. Don't really want him getting a silly yellow card as that can come back and bite us on the butt later in the game
It was a meaningless friendly when they had far more matches played in ridiculous heat in China.
FFS it meant absolutely nothing.
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