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Antonio Valencia | 2009/10 Performances
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I've always rated Valencia from the time he burst onto the scene during the 06 World cup for Ecuador through to his impressive spell at Wigan.
Really think this guy can be a big name in football, it's all in his hands to add and improve further aspects to his game as the raw materials he posesses are excellent.
Really think this guy can be a big name in football, it's all in his hands to add and improve further aspects to his game as the raw materials he posesses are excellent.
You're a dick.
You just compared them, there'd be no reason to mention Ronaldo if it wasn't part of a comparison. He wasn't mentioned by Pogue so it was entirely down to you to compare them. Except you apparently didn't want to. But you did. Nice one.
To be that critical of a Manchester United player, downplaying every good thing he did by sticking in phrases like 'he's good, but limited' or 'he can beat a man, but only on the odd occasion' is quite frankly disgraceful for a United fan. You should support every player on the team equally, unless they've earned the right to get even more support - Scholes, Giggs, Rooney etc. - but because you like Nani and he's visibly outperforming him regularly you try to twist things to make Nani not seem so bad. That's embarrassing.
Is his name pronounced "ValenTHia?" or "ValenSia"?
You chat a load of crap. Yes in a sense he's limited, but you can already seeing him developing rapidly.. he's getting past people with ease cutting in as well as taking them round the outside for instance.
He's scoring frequently and I honestly believe we are playing better football with Valencia than under Ronaldo of 08/09 who goals apart offered feck all in terms of build up play.
Valencia keeps posession very well, stands up and doesn't dive ..breaking down our play, we are far more cohesive and fluent relying on goals from open play, his crossing can get better but hey it's his first season.
Nani has a better crossing technique and no brain to go with it, so have some faith in Valencia..Giggsy has improved his crossing with age..Valencia can do so as well.
Only Spanish speakers from certain parts of Spain substitute /th/ for the /s/ sound. As Valencia is from Ecuador, this isn't an issue.
The city in Spain is properly pronounced "Valenthia" though.
I hear its his dream
But from what i heard today about him he did well which is good to hear
I see. There is one commentator who uses the TH version, it's a bit annoying because I didn't think that was the correct one since everyone else uses S.
Cross the ball, which is what a winger is supposed to do.
odd straight run? so other times hes runs zig-zag down the field? or you expect him to dribble and beat 5 men ala maradonna? Most of the time he has two people on him to cover his pace since he can beat a single defender most times.
odd goal? isnt that what wingers are supposed to do? pop up with the "odd" goal?
question then, what do you expect him to do?
Some people should feel ashamed.
Downplaying him how?
Didn't I say he was pretty good today and he deserves his place in the team? He has been good in the recent games and one of our main performers, so he does deserve to be in front of Nani in the pecking order, no matter my opinion.
I did not compare him to Ronaldo, I used his name, as synonym for a winger who has set the league alight. They have nothing in common and never will.
He on a roll this weeks and has been much better than in his first several matches. I'm not denying that. I'm not saying he should be sold, benched so Nani would get a game. Not at all. I don't care who puts the ball in the net or who is outperforming who if he deserves his spot.
Is he or is he not a limited player still? It's not that bad as you turning it out to be. He's has not changed his game, but has on the other hand improved on what he can do best. He's pretty fast, one of the fastest wingers out there - he uses it better in the recent run of games, he has a good shot in him - he uses is much better nowadays adding some control, he crosses the ball much better in the recent games and today most of the times his crossing met United player in the box.
I've watched a lot of him in Wigan and had my opinion before he even kicked a ball at United(look in the Transfer forum). He still has to prove he's a United player, doesn't he? I can praise him if he's good but he's not immune to criticism when he's bad.
I didn't say he's shite and should be sold, did I?
To be like Scholes, Giggs he has to earn it.
Surely he's on a right track(given the competition for places he has at the moment) to make that right wing his own, and I did admit he has to start in the next games, because he earned it.
I didn't want him to fail, and I do want him to succeed in United, even tho I have my negative mind set on him based on Wigan performances as a whole and his first games at United.
So chill the feck out. He was one of the best today leave it there.
Again, too literal.
He is supposed to get crosses in. That his best attribute, and he's using it much better than in his first games, when he had his head down and didn't produce oozing crosses(bar couple Wigan,CSKA,etc). He's finding his crossing, that's what I'm saying.
He should cut in more, be more variate in his dribbling, able to change the wings, try to be more unpredictable, etc. He has shown a glimpse of that, mind, so that's surely a step in the right direction.
If he keeps performing like that I'll be very wrong about him, hope he does for the sake of the team.
Um, what? Did I bring Nani in the equation? Didn't I say Valencia deserves his place in the team based on his contribution? Don't go off topic.
Why do you have to act like a condescending twat in every thread?
Enigma's wrong but calling him a dick is a bit OTT don't you think.
What he wrote wasn't so bad.
They angle he was coming from was. 'I like Nani and think he doesn't get the credit he deserves so I'm going to make sure I do the same with Valencia'.
It's childish. It's fanboyish. It's not supporting your club the way you should.
Now he's adding goals to his game, and seems to be a bit more versatile and unpredictable. Has surely the potential to become an excellent player for us
Same goes for those Nani bashers though.
Valencia's really great for us so far and Nani's been a bit shit in all fairness, but I just can't cope with those people starting after every fckin game of a player they for whatever reason dislike a new thread about him beeing shit.
Yeah, they're dicks too. I don't know who they are, but if the same goes then they're dicks.
he's off to madrid
you heard if first here
you heard if first here
A new thread after every game about a player who's played shit being shit is annoying, I agree.
It's nowhere near as annoying, though, as people trying to belittle a player who's been playing well because a) they don't want to admit they're wrong and b) they want the player who's been playing shit to get games ahead of the player who's been doing well (for some strange reason known only to them).
The former is just being unnecessarily harsh on a player who's not cutting the mustard, the latter is having a blatant agenda against a Manchester United player, despite the player doing all that's asked of them. Which is bizarre.
Since Liverpool away when he was our best attacking player on the day he's been very consistant, the number of goals and assists he's got so far is extremely encouraging especially given his rather limited number at Wigan
Having said all that I do still think that we'll still be in the market for a another wide player come next summer
Having said all that I do still think that we'll still be in the market for a another wide player come next summer
You think half our first team need replacing.
Swap deal for Ronaldo? Done.
Good player. Very effective.
One thing that people on here have been keen to attack him for is being a "defensive" winger. However the amount of times he wins the ball in attacking positions is fantastic. Gives us real bite in the top half of the team, which Tevez previously brought. Except Valencia is actually better at tackling and less of a headless chicken. His attacking attributes aren't flashy but they are effective. I think he's showing signs of improvement every game with his positioning and use of the ball.
Agree. It's always "he was good today" rather than simply "he is good". Same thing happened with Fletcher.
One thing that people on here have been keen to attack him for is being a "defensive" winger. However the amount of times he wins the ball in attacking positions is fantastic. Gives us real bite in the top half of the team, which Tevez previously brought. Except Valencia is actually better at tackling and less of a headless chicken. His attacking attributes aren't flashy but they are effective. I think he's showing signs of improvement every game with his positioning and use of the ball.
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Agree. It's always "he was good today" rather than simply "he is good". Same thing happened with Fletcher.
Who'd you rather have at right back, Ronaldo or Valencia?
Of course, that's why he never smiles, as he was linked with Madrid and he had to settle for us
He has really stepped up now and is looking the real deal, plus he's getting goals now. He scored 7 in his whole Wigan career and now he has 5 with us already I think. Keep it going Antonio.
He's already there.
He's closer to making the step up to being an important Manchester United player than he is to making the step down to not being good enough for us at all.
Did I say otherwise in my opening post? He's getting better, no one is denying it. Time will tell how he makes it.
Erm, yeah.
You said he still needs to prove he's a Manchester United player, right?
That'd imply in your mind he's not yet proven that.
He's a bit good isn't he ?
Has Brwned been bragging how he's gonna take money off me again ?
Has Brwned been bragging how he's gonna take money off me again ?
His displays over the past two months have been very encouraging. He is continuing to improve and seems to have worked on his smile as well. Long may it continue
Somewhat confused by the not very positive comments about his time at Wigan; the missus' old man is a ST holder at Wigan and Ive been to quite a lot of games with him and Valencia was a stand out player for them almost every time I watched them.
As for suggesting he has to show he's a united player, well that's just silly. He's been our most consistantly performing player recently, as can be seen by him running away with the player of the month.
And he turned Madrid down last January so no concerns there!
As for suggesting he has to show he's a united player, well that's just silly. He's been our most consistantly performing player recently, as can be seen by him running away with the player of the month.
And he turned Madrid down last January so no concerns there!
Those who are talking of him likes hes the second coming of Dirk Kuyt are completely missing the picture.. this lad is an explosive attacking talent, if harnessed properly he could be a big thing for United.
He's a bit good isn't he ?
Has Brwned been bragging how he's gonna take money off me again ?
Gonna happen every single time, just to make it taste that bit more bitter.
yet another goal today...... his 5th of the season
at this rate he could get 10 by the end of the season which is not bad for a winger
at this rate he could get 10 by the end of the season which is not bad for a winger
though.
He's been our best player over the last month.
Even though he wasn't quite as good today as he has been the last two matches (still probably our second best player after Scholes though), I noticed something new. The team are starting to look to him as the outlet when we win the ball deep in our own half. The defence wins the ball, gives it to our midfield and then they feed it out to Valencia on the right wing who just drives forward as the rest of our players rush up the field to give him options. That outlet is something we've been missing since Ronaldo left, so it's great to see Valencia growing into the role.
Even though he wasn't quite as good today as he has been the last two matches (still probably our second best player after Scholes though), I noticed something new. The team are starting to look to him as the outlet when we win the ball deep in our own half. The defence wins the ball, gives it to our midfield and then they feed it out to Valencia on the right wing who just drives forward as the rest of our players rush up the field to give him options. That outlet is something we've been missing since Ronaldo left, so it's great to see Valencia growing into the role.
I'd agree with that. It helps to have a player with blinding pace to launch counter attacks, like Ronaldo used to. Valencia is excellent physically - fast, strong, plenty of stamina to get up and down the field, looks capable of playing week in week out, and is rarely injured. A sort of right sided Evra. His game is simple and direct, but effective because he has the physical attributes. Also does his share of tracking back and is a good team player. I like his attitude too. He seems equable like Giggs and gets on with the game. In the longer term it remains to be seen if he can keep up his scoring and assists rate, and if he can develop the ability to switch wings, which Ronaldo, Nani and Giggs can. Overall: a first choice player and worth the transfer fee.
That's right as well. And as you know I have always been someone who supported Nani but always admitted that he was shite in those games in which he really wasnt performing. And that's the case in his last performances for us (although they seem ages away). He was pretty shit, but I still support him and won't get on his back
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