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Antoine "Lebron" Griezmann | "I Stay"
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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The thing that makes sense in this is the fact that he stayed last year because of their transfer ban. Showing the club some sort of loyalty. Now that they're able to buy again makes it possible for him to move on...
Leaving for Real or Barca wouldn't make sense of his actions of last summer.
Leaving for Real or Barca wouldn't make sense of his actions of last summer.
This. He can feck off with his stupid & cringy goal celebrations. We don't need a ST or SS either. This rumour doesn't make sense for us and needs to be shut down for good.
That random reddit user had been posting on thr united reddit for months if not years. Pretty epic plant to influence a couple thousand united fans.
If (big if) we sign Griezmann.
Which formation would bring the best of him?
Which formation would bring the best of him?
That’s very debatable though. All was not well at all the back end of the season but he began the season well and had a strong first year here. Outside of him spitting the dummy/ growing disillusioned/ losing all power in his legs he has been good and most often operating as a no.8 in a deep midfield pair - the idea that Pogba has failed in that position is false.
Purchasing Matic seemed to indicate to me we were looking to move to a midfield three with Pogba and Herrera, yet Mourinho had other plans and was obviously happy with Pogba in that deeper role after a full season predominantly playing there, as we clearly started last season with that setup and continued in it for an extended period. Jose described the 3-1 win against Arsenal in December as Pogba ‘in his best moment’.
His performances were unacceptable for a large period of time later in the season, and prompted Jose to drop him and change the system and his role. During said period of dummy-spitting/ disillusionment/ lethargy he has played in his supposed actual position - as one of two no.8’s in front of a no.6 - more often and nothing improved.
Pogba undoubtedly had issues but it wasn’t that initial role given to him. He is most certainly more comfortable in that deeper role than playing as a no.10, which he just can’t do.
With Fred now signed, at the moment it would again appear that we will be looking to line up with a midfield three, Matic behind Pogba and Fred. Mourinho having bought all three, I would say that’s very likely - more so than last year - to be the default configuration to at least begin next season. However, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a no.10 come in either and go into the team in that position in a 4-2-3-1, Fred as a rotation/ backup option for the ‘2’ or perhaps even Pogba leaving (less likely but I wouldn’t say outside the realms of possibility).
The prospect of buying both Bale and Griezmann is by no means ridiculous purely from the point of view of fitting players into potential lineups, and the idea that Pogba could lineup in a midfield two is far from idiotic.
Pogba has played in a two man midfield for pretty much Jose's entire managerial stint here. What's your point?
Though I do think that Matic would probably be the one to partner him, rather than Fred, in that formation.
Buckle up
£85m for Bale or £100m for Griezmann? Have an idea who Ed would prefer
Bale would obviously offer more width but other than that he’s more or less the same as AG + as another user mentioned, Mourinho doesn’t rely as much on width from his wingers in recent years...29 year old Bale who’d give 20 or so games or a 2 year younger AG who you can rely on to play virtually day in day out? I know who I’d pick
Bale would obviously offer more width but other than that he’s more or less the same as AG + as another user mentioned, Mourinho doesn’t rely as much on width from his wingers in recent years...29 year old Bale who’d give 20 or so games or a 2 year younger AG who you can rely on to play virtually day in day out? I know who I’d pick
£85m for Bale or £100m for Griezmann? Have an idea who Ed would prefer
Bale would obviously offer more width but other than that he’s more or less the same as AG + as another user mentioned, Mourinho doesn’t rely as much on width from his wingers in recent years...29 year old Bale who’d give 20 or so games or a 2 year younger AG who you can rely on to play virtually day in day out? I know who I’d pick
I'd pick neither this window. For me, its Midfield we need to invest in. Better chance creation and better football will get us scoring more goals than superstar forward buys. The problem we faced last season will be fixed with better movement and better creative Midfield for me, as we need to improve the fundamentals first.
I agree with investing/fixing midfield but quite honestly I think it’s set at least for this upcoming season.
Matic is still starting material, Pogba is Pogba, and Fred will be starting linking up the 2. As of now I think signing another starting mid would be forcing the situation as we’re set for our starting mid3. A squad option CM sure but can’t see another starter happening from a realistic pov. Fred addresses a huge void and RW is something else we need to address obviously. Would rather we do that and fix the balance there than overload in 1 area and have an abundance of players in which someone’s going to have to sit.
...I can see another starting CM next summer window after the upcoming season if Matic slows down due to age, that’s about it and it’d have to be a box-to-box capable player. Fred (transition to DM) and ??? box-to-box which allows Pogba to stay up front would be ideal. Just don’t see it happening now with Matic still a starter but I see where you’re coming from and like the idea.
Don't really understand why we're in for him TBH. We really need a quick right winger who can hug the touchline and beat a man, not yet another attacking mid posing as a winger.
Hmm there's this guy on Twitter who works for a PR company who says he is sure Griezmann is done. Has 91k followers and stuff. Could be just a WUM or worse, an oppo WUM. His name is James Melville or something.
Edit: did some digging up. This guy seems pretty sure of Griezmann coming. He does work for a PR company, mostly under sponsorship, and the website states that he worked eith Manchester United before.
Edit: did some digging up. This guy seems pretty sure of Griezmann coming. He does work for a PR company, mostly under sponsorship, and the website states that he worked eith Manchester United before.
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He's not coming. It's sad. We should move on.
And we are giving some Reddit wanker too much credit. "Look at me, I know about a sponsor so I also know about an unrelated thing!". Feck off soft lad.
And we are giving some Reddit wanker too much credit. "Look at me, I know about a sponsor so I also know about an unrelated thing!". Feck off soft lad.
The reddit guy was also first to post the latest news about a big renewal offered by athletico, maybe a bit of a backtrack?
If Griezmann coming to us is true, this new contract thing could be a fan pleasing move by AM. "Oh look we tried to get him to stay."
I agree that we need to fix the midfield if we want to get the best out of our attackers. Fred was a very big step in that direction, in my opinion. We do need one more, though - particularly if Fellaini does go.
That said, I do believe that if a player like Bale or Griezmann becomes available, we really should dig deep and try to get them. I’ve had grave reservations about Bale, and at the required price it would clearly be somewhat risky, but there’s no denying that he’s an impact player. Griezmann would be my preference, but I just don’t see it happening.
Regarding midfield, if Fellaini leaves we should try to sign a youngster. We don't need another 50-60 million starter as we do not have the space for him in the starting line up.
As many have said before me, Pogba should start in all games, Fred is a new signing and Matic was one of our best outfield players last year.
Also we should try to maintain some continuity in the team, by changing half the defense and 2/3 of the midfield wouldn't actually help.
The Best thing to do is buy a young CM who can play as #6/#8 and slowly integrate him into the squad. That way we would have the depth while the player won't cost 50,60 million.
As many have said before me, Pogba should start in all games, Fred is a new signing and Matic was one of our best outfield players last year.
Also we should try to maintain some continuity in the team, by changing half the defense and 2/3 of the midfield wouldn't actually help.
The Best thing to do is buy a young CM who can play as #6/#8 and slowly integrate him into the squad. That way we would have the depth while the player won't cost 50,60 million.
Makes sense. Could be why they're offering to pay him more than Barcelona would. The only club willing to pay him even more than that is United.
Pereira and McTominay can play as #6/#8. Also, we have Herrera who can cover those positions.
I would sign a young CM like Neves next year... But this summer we have other priorities.
I think those figures are wrong. Griezmann has a 100m euro release clause. Bale will cost around 120m euros.£85m for Bale or £100m for Griezmann? Have an idea who Ed would prefer
Bale would obviously offer more width but other than that he’s more or less the same as AG + as another user mentioned, Mourinho doesn’t rely as much on width from his wingers in recent years...29 year old Bale who’d give 20 or so games or a 2 year younger AG who you can rely on to play virtually day in day out? I know who I’d pick
Pereira is most probably gone and McTominay IMO is not good enough yet.
Neves would cost 50 million plus minimum next year especially if he has a very good season.And isn't he more a #8 than #6?
I feel we are one year late in replacing Valencia. If we had bought a young RB last year, it would have been perfect. He could have taken over from Valencia this year after bring slowly integrated into the first team But now, both Dalot and Mourinho are under more pressure as there is a more urgent need to replace /compliment Valencia as he could decline very fast this year.
The same can be said regarding Matic.We saw signs of him slowing down last year when Mourinho made him play every game, and that is to be expected given his age.He needs rest and Mourinho agrees.
If we buy a young CM, like say Dendoncker for 15-20 million this year, we can
1.keep Matic fresh for the big games
2.Integrate the new CM into the squad with Matic acting as a mentor of sorts, thus not throwing him into the deep end and expecting the new CM to perform from day 1
3.Could even prolong Matic's career here by preventing him from burning out/ accumulating injuries because of him having to play every single game
IMO the DM position is a very important part of Mourinho's midfield.I know Matic just turns 30 in August, but I'm afraid if we overplay him, we risk burning him out especially considering the fact that during most of last season he was essentially a one man midfield.
Signing Fred would help decrease the work load of Matic but I would like us to be looking for someone to compliment him.Rodri would have been perfect for the role,he had a 25 million pounds release clause and had all the traits of Matic while being very good on the ball.
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Agree with a lot of this, we need to be more proactive and ruthless in the transfer market.
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I am questioning the hate anyone would get for this.
Why should A.G. deserve hate and vitriol in the first place? Especially if he did not know about the history of black-face.
I want to get excited. I cant take this twice.
No longer interested in him. He's the not the type of profile we need I feel especially if we are going to use a 3 man midfield more.
Griezmann to United?
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Griezmann stays at Madrid with a 1-2 punch up front with him and Cavani?
Griezmann to United?
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Griezmann stays at Madrid with a 1-2 punch up front with him and Cavani?
Where would costa play then
Forgot about him !!Atletico in on Lemar too to play behind Costa + a potential Cavani.
Griezmann out ?
Excellent post ideally we should bring Matic understudy this season itself maybe Torreira lad from Sampdoria who is highly rated and also have reasonable release clause as well but I think Mourinho might see Fred as long term replacement for Matic as a more mobile defensive anchor like Fernandinho at City and bring another young midfield prospect more in the mould of attacking midfielder equally adept at playing Cm as well.
I'm not sure what to make of this.
I assumed that when Sanchez became ours, it made another attacking-in redundant.
If he comes, it's surely signals the end of Martial at United. We'd be running with a front three of Sanchez/Lukaku/Griezmann, with Lingard, Mata & Rashford the back-ups.
Being so close to Paul Pogba also means that Griezmann only comes to the club if his mate has given Jose & United a glowing reference. There's no way he'd join United only to see an unsettled Pogba leave a year later.
So perhaps as many of us assumed, the Jose/Pogba feud is all media nonsense and Pogba actually does love it here. And why wouldn't he? He's playing with most of his wolfpack already, with Griezmann soon to join them.
I assumed that when Sanchez became ours, it made another attacking-in redundant.
If he comes, it's surely signals the end of Martial at United. We'd be running with a front three of Sanchez/Lukaku/Griezmann, with Lingard, Mata & Rashford the back-ups.
Being so close to Paul Pogba also means that Griezmann only comes to the club if his mate has given Jose & United a glowing reference. There's no way he'd join United only to see an unsettled Pogba leave a year later.
So perhaps as many of us assumed, the Jose/Pogba feud is all media nonsense and Pogba actually does love it here. And why wouldn't he? He's playing with most of his wolfpack already, with Griezmann soon to join them.
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I get you point, but I disagree a bit.
We have other priorities like buying a "TOP" CB, LB and RW.
I hope we can buy Alderweireld and Sandro to improve our defense, but if we buy another CM (like Dendoncker), we could end up signing a CB just to rotate with our defenders such as Lenglet or someone unknown. For example, I wanted an experienced RB to replace Valencia... someone like Meunier, but we signed Dalot who can be a good singing for the future but maybe not for next season. I would have even prefer to buy Telles for Porto (If Sandro stays at Juve).
My point is... I rather sign quality instead of quantity. If we sign a No.10, I would go for Eriksen (unrealistic) or Fekir (realistic) instead of Talisca. So, next summer we could sign a quality CDM as good as Jorginho, Rodrigo.
That's why I don't care if we just sign Alderweireld, Sandro, Thiago and Griezmann....and wait for next summer to sign other 3 players. If we want to sign 6 or 7 players this transfer window, we could end up with good players (Dalot, Lenglet, Golovin, Talisca, Arnautovic, etc), but not world class players.
You are totally right that next summer players like Neves, Dendoncker, Tierney, among others would cost more. But at least we would be able to see if Tierney is able to play in a better league and the progress of Neves/Dendoncker. Maybe next summer there's a "new Rodri" who would be better sightly better than Dendoncker.
Jose has been very clever. He said we would not be in for another attacker this summer, so for the press not to bother writing stuff about it. I personally think that’s just him throwing the media off so we don’t have another of AG coming to United, like we did last year. It’s clear to see that we need some reinforcements on the attacking front. Our goals really did dry up after Rom got injured.
But toing back to AG, like others in this post, where would he actually play in our team?
But toing back to AG, like others in this post, where would he actually play in our team?
He'd probably have the Mata type role. His position on paper would be the right side of a front three, but he'd have licence to roam all over.
I bet my newbie status that he won't ever come to United.
Hate these «play with my mind stuff»! A part of me want to believe this, and the of course the down side is much bigger!
But if the Cavani and Lemar stuff is correct, then something might be going on!
But if the Cavani and Lemar stuff is correct, then something might be going on!
This. Imagine Alexis on both wings. Don’t make sense if you ask me.
Believe me I would love Toby, Sandro and Sidibe/Meunier but at the same l, I don't think buying a young CM for 10-20 Mill would have massively changed our transfer plans.
But now I feel our transfer plans have changed.
Castles said the same thing in his podcast. We were not expecting a player of the quality of Bale to be available while we were making plans for the summer.
Also I don't believe that Mourinho was playing games with the media when he said we won't be signing any attackers as he has been very open about our transfers.
I feel Dalot could be a part of this change in priorities or re allocation of funds.
Same with Lengelt rumors and there were even whispers of Telles.
Maybe our initial plan was to buy Sidibe + Sandro + Alderweireld for a total of 150 million and sell Darmian + Blind and maybe Shaw for 50 million.
But maybe after Bale's comments we have shifted our focus to Dalot + Lengelt + Telles, all three combined would cost 19+30+30 = 80 million pounds, thus saving 70 million
So even if Madrid want 100 mill Euros (88 million pounds) for Bale, we have almost balanced the books and managed to stay within our budget at the same time filling all the holes in our squad.
Also if it's between Bale and Griezmann for almost the same money, I'm 100% sure Woody and the Board would go for Bale over Griezmann
We have been after him for ages and the marketing potential would be huge, even more than that with Griezzmann. Also I'm sure Adidas would prefer us signing Bale.
If that's the case, I don't know which I would prefer.
Toby + Sandro + Sidibe or Lengelt + Telles + Dalot + Bale/Griezmann.
Nope, I'm sure I prefer the second option.
Sorry for derailing the thread.
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Valancia Alderweireld Bailey Sandro
Matic
Pogba Fred
Griezeman Sanchez
Lukaku
4 3 2 1?
Would need a potential upgrade on Valencia if he came to provide the width.
Valancia Alderweireld Bailey Sandro
Matic
Pogba Fred
Griezeman Sanchez
Lukaku
4 3 2 1?
Would need a potential upgrade on Valencia if he came to provide the width.
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