Antoine Griezmann

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He is exactly the type of player I want but can't see why he'd leave Atletico already. They are a great club and he is key part there. Should have been in for him last season. Memphis is a good option though and with who we already have we don't really need two wingers.
 
Distracted Steward said:
How do you figure?
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Technically brilliant finisher who isn't fast, big or strong. Falcao is the same. You could play him out wide, as he played at Sociedad, but he'd be just as unsuitable there.

I know loads of people will disagree, but the same levels were of confidence were held in the other big name flops I mentioned. If you aren't a tall, strong or fast, you've got to be in the Tevez, Aguero or Rooney mold.

If you watch this clip of Griezmann you can see a great finisher. So many box finishes and often getting in behind the defence.



However, watch this clip of Soldaldo's goals at Valencia:



You'd think Soldado was nailed on to score goals, but he barely gets a sniff in the Prem. It was the same with Sheva and I said the same about Falcao before we signed him.

Loic Remy is a Prem type of striker. Nowhere near as technically gifted, but fast as hell, super quick reactions and a great leap. Hence he's scored goals for a relegation club, mid table club and now at Chelsea.
 
redmeister said:
Technically brilliant finisher who isn't fast, big or strong. Falcao is the same. You could play him out wide, as he played at Sociedad, but he'd be just as unsuitable there.

I know loads of people will disagree, but the same levels were of confidence were held in the other big name flops I mentioned. If you aren't a tall, strong or fast, you've got to be in the Tevez, Aguero or Rooney mold.

If you watch this clip of Griezmann you can see a great finisher. So many box finishes and often getting in behind the defence.



However, watch this clip of Soldaldo's goals at Valencia:



You'd think Soldado was nailed on to score goals, but he barely gets a sniff in the Prem. It was the same with Sheva and I said the same about Falcao before we signed him.

Loic Remy is a Prem type of striker. Nowhere near as technically gifted, but fast as hell, super quick reactions and a great leap. Hence he's scored goals for a relegation club, mid table club and now at Chelsea.
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Good answer. Thanks for taking the time to put that together.
 
Soldado had loads of chances to score goals. He just fluffed most of them. Griezmann is also fast.
 
Yeah, I don't agree. How did Jermaine Defoe accumulate a decent amount of goals in his time? He's never had physicality on his side and is about 5'6. Specialised short poachers can do well, Soldado has just been awful from day one and the confidence since has seeped. Really not too much to do with subverting Premier League playstyles.
 
I think the boat has sailed with him, he is another player, just like Hazard where it was clear they were very good years before someone actually put the money on the table.

I remember Hazard knocking Liverpool out of the Europa league I think was with two outstanding performances home and away.

it was another 2 years of excellent performances before a PL club took notice and got bent over in signing him up.

People have been talking about Griezmann for years, and even though he was playing for sociedad and could of been picked up for peanuts, just like Athletico did, nobody bothered to make a move for him.

Give him another year or so and someone will be falling over themselves to offer £40 odd million for him.
 
redmeister said:
Technically brilliant finisher who isn't fast, big or strong. Falcao is the same. You could play him out wide, as he played at Sociedad, but he'd be just as unsuitable there.

I know loads of people will disagree, but the same levels were of confidence were held in the other big name flops I mentioned. If you aren't a tall, strong or fast, you've got to be in the Tevez, Aguero or Rooney mold.

If you watch this clip of Griezmann you can see a great finisher. So many box finishes and often getting in behind the defence.

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Silva, Mata, Cazorla, Fabregas, Coutinho, Willian, Nasri (for a while), Eriksen - they all pretty much put that claim to bed.

Edit: Are you talking about him as a striker? In that case, I'd agree, but he doesn't play as a striker anyway. He plays off the main man (Mandzukic), and is free to drift across the width of the pitch.

He'd fit in fine in the PL.
 
TooBias said:
Silva, Mata, Cazorla, Fabregas, Coutinho, Willian, Nasri (for a while), Eriksen - they all pretty much put that claim to bed.

Edit: Are you talking about him as a striker? In that case, I'd agree, but he doesn't play as a striker anyway. He plays off the main man (Mandzukic), and is free to drift across the width of the pitch.

He'd fit in fine in the PL.
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The players you've mentioned aren't similar to Griezmann. They are all creative players, who get very involved in games. To compare him with those players suggests you've got him totally wrong. Those players will have more than double the involvement on the ball of Griezmann and are there as creative forces. Griezmann's main contribution is goals. He plays as a forward, whilst all the players you've mentioned are attacking midfielders. He's nothing like them.

He averages just 23 passes per game. He creates 0.6 chances per game. If you check his heat maps, you'll see his touches are further up the pitch. Totally different to all the players you mentioned.

His main contribution is his goal threat. With that in mind, watch the clip I showed of how he scores his goals. That is why the comparison with the likes of Soldaldo is very appropriate and why I think he'd struggle in the Prem.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Yeah, I don't agree. How did Jermaine Defoe accumulate a decent amount of goals in his time? He's never had physicality on his side and is about 5'6. Specialised short poachers can do well, Soldado has just been awful from day one and the confidence since has seeped. Really not too much to do with subverting Premier League playstyles.
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Defoe got over 15 goals in a season once. In his second best season he scored 13 goals. His 3rd best was 12. He averaged about 11 goals per season.
 
redmeister said:
Defoe got over 15 goals in a season once. In his second best season he scored 13 goals. His 3rd best was 12. He averaged about 11 goals per season.
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I would call that a decent amount of goals, concidering he was never going to be a top player.
 
Orton said:
Soldado had loads of chances to score goals. He just fluffed most of them. Griezmann is also fast.
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Precisely. Greizmann and Soldado are different players. I don't see how Soldado can be used as an evidence that Griezmann cannot succeed here. Its just as bad as saying he will be successful because Aguero and Costa were also successful. Look at Negredo, he was scoring lots of goals for Sevilla, also scored 26 goals for City in his first season but has been a flop at Valencia so far despite taking penalty duties. How can the same player who was scoring goals for fun at Sevilla struggle at Valencia? Hard to explain, there are so many dynamics and factors in play. Griezmann is also faster than Soldado. Soldado has just not taken his chances, he also lost his child im not sure if his head is in the right place.
 
redmeister said:
He averages just 23 passes per game. He creates 0.6 chances per game. If you check his heat maps, you'll see his touches are further up the pitch. Totally different to all the players you mentioned.

His main contribution is his goal threat. With that in mind, watch the clip I showed of how he scores his goals. That is why the comparison with the likes of Soldaldo is very appropriate and why I think he'd struggle in the Prem.
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Its not appropriate at all. Soldado was more known for his composure and ability to hold onto the ball. He's also physically strong. Griezmann is much faster than Soldado who never had great pace to begin with. He is also versatile. He was just as successful on left flank which is where he used to play for Sociedad, either as a left forward or a left winger. This season Simeone has given him a central role in the attack behind Mandzukic. On the other hand Soldado has always been a traditional number 9. Griezmann also seems to be better in the air despite being shorter. Ofcourse he's going to have less involvement as a forward this season but from the wings? 32 passes per game, comparable to our Youngs 31.9.
 
Falcao and Shevchenko flopped because they were in their very late 20's when they came. There's also a pretty good chance Soldado was just too old when he decided to move to the prem.
 
I think he'd be similar to Depay; 15-20 goals from the wing but only 5-10 assists.

If Di Maria leaves this summer, signing Griezmann and just focusing on goals from our wide players would make a lot of sense:

-------Rooney---------- (RVP, Wilson)
Depay--------Griezmann (Mata, Young, Januzaj/Nani)
----CM----Herrera------(Fellaini, Mata)
-------Blind------------ (Carrick)

I've listed Mata as a backup just to show he can play lots of positions. I assume he'd end up starting somewhere often.

If one of Depay or Griezmann was injured, you'd still have a proper goal threat from out wide with the other one around.
 
Obviously he's good enough, what are people smoking? Expecting a lot from attackers when their teams are parking the bus is a bit ridiculous.
 
redmeister said:
Technically brilliant finisher who isn't fast, big or strong. Falcao is the same. You could play him out wide, as he played at Sociedad, but he'd be just as unsuitable there.

I know loads of people will disagree, but the same levels were of confidence were held in the other big name flops I mentioned. If you aren't a tall, strong or fast, you've got to be in the Tevez, Aguero or Rooney mold.

If you watch this clip of Griezmann you can see a great finisher. So many box finishes and often getting in behind the defence.



However, watch this clip of Soldaldo's goals at Valencia:



You'd think Soldado was nailed on to score goals, but he barely gets a sniff in the Prem. It was the same with Sheva and I said the same about Falcao before we signed him.

Loic Remy is a Prem type of striker. Nowhere near as technically gifted, but fast as hell, super quick reactions and a great leap. Hence he's scored goals for a relegation club, mid table club and now at Chelsea.
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You mean being good at football?
 
He's brilliant, but we should have gone for him last Summer while he had that bargain of a release clause. Can't believe Simeone took him off last night. He's the only player in the Atleti team capable of producing something special when their backs are against the wall.
 
brilliant player but i'll take depay over him. i think depay is more suited to the PL. but no doubt about griezmann's quality though. he is just a superb little player.
 
ricky-romeo said:
brilliant player but i'll take depay over him. i think depay is more suited to the PL. but no doubt about griezmann's quality though. he is just a superb little player.
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Going by the trend in recent years players from La Liga do better in england than from other leagues however id be very happy with Depay. Don't think there's much in this Griezmann rumour anyway.
 
this is a clear cut example of a thread that shouldn't be getting bumped because

a) it's old
b) there's absolutely nothing transfer related here and
c) men
 
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