Anthony Taylor

[HookedOnAPhelan]

We've been ridden raw with decisions ever since the Rashford goal against City.

Yep. Remember the stonewall McT penalty away to Palace too that was somehow inexplicably not given.

These cnuts just don't want to give us anything.

 

[Flying high]

The more I see the rashford one the more I think it is actually a stonewall penalty. He’s in full sprint, he doesn’t leave his foot there - Bazuna slides in and clips him.

That's 4 good shouts for a penalty today. Noteably none were shown in sky's highlights.

Scrap VAR. There's absolutely no point putting up with the downsides when it's being used like this.

 

[Devil81]

What annoyed me with the sending off was their refusal to show the angle where it's clear his foot rolled off the ball.

I can accept the red card but you could clearly see they didn't show all angles and clearly only showed the worst angle on freeze for a good 30 seconds.

 

[Ralaks]

They refused to even look at this. Just as they refused to look at the other two.

No slow motion, no multi-angles.

Why not?

This is the worst for me. Game was restarted again within like 5 sec indicating Marriner didnt even have a proper look. As if he decided it was a dive before actually looking. Shocking

 

[ManUnitedCanuck]

What annoyed me with the sending off was their refusal to show the angle where it's clear his foot rolled off the ball.

I can accept the red card but you could clearly see they didn't show all angles and clearly only showed the worst angle on freeze for a good 30 seconds.

I could accept it if I didn’t know that the same type of challenge occurs regularly and is not given. That is the big problem is the consistency. With VAR they have no excuse because they get to see every one of those again and some they give, some they don’t…how do you explain that other than the rule changes each match. Much easier to accept if the ref on field makes a quick judgement call, and maybe his view is blocked etc. The fact that within minutes people were able to come up with like 5 other tackles recently that were much worse and not punished is unacceptable.

 

[P-Ro]

He's been pretty kind to you when you've played us. Maybe he's made a mental note of all teams in order of who he wants to feck over with Chelsea firmly on top and Arsenal at the bottom. United are probably top half.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

What annoyed me with the sending off was their refusal to show the angle where it's clear his foot rolled off the ball.

I can accept the red card but you could clearly see they didn't show all angles and clearly only showed the worst angle on freeze for a good 30 seconds.

Why do people keep implying that rolling over the ball is an excuse? “Going over the top of the ball” literally describes what happened, usually involves at least some contact with the football and has always been the sort of challenge that gets players sent off.

 

[horsechoker]

He's been pretty kind to you when you've played us. Maybe he's made a mental note of all teams in order of who he wants to feck over with Chelsea firmly on top and Arsenal at the bottom. United are probably top half.

Disliking Chelsea is perfectly understandable

 

[Yorke to Cole]

What annoyed me with the sending off was their refusal to show the angle where it's clear his foot rolled off the ball.

I can accept the red card but you could clearly see they didn't show all angles and clearly only showed the worst angle on freeze for a good 30 seconds.

On the TV stream I watched the VAR froze it on Casemiro with his foot planted on the opposing player. That was the first image that Taylor would have seen as he went to the screen, thus influencing his decision.

The officials in this league are atrocious, whether it is on the pitch or on the screens.

There is no culpability towards the referees, and they are in turn taking no responsibility on the pitch for their decisions and instead hiding behind the VAR system. That system in itself is not being administered properly.

The penalty we were not given was diabolical.

 

[Marwood]

Why do people keep implying that rolling over the ball is an excuse? “Going over the top of the ball” literally describes what happened, usually involves at least some contact with the football and has always been the sort of challenge that gets players sent off.

Because it means the contact with the guys shin was accidental. A chance occurence. It's not like he was coming up on the ball a and just about grazed it. He's coming downwards, gets a real good chunk of the ball. Was just unlucky.

 

[Anustart89]

Why do people keep implying that rolling over the ball is an excuse? “Going over the top of the ball” literally describes what happened, usually involves at least some contact with the football and has always been the sort of challenge that gets players sent off.

Because it provides context on the intent of the challenge. His foot changed direction after making contact with the ball. Upon contact, Casemiro’s bending his leg at the knee, further adding to the mitigating factors in assessing the force and intent of the tackle, which are judged to ascertain whether it’s a red card or not. The laws do not specifically state anything about studs on opponent = red card, but usually studs up suggest recklessness or intent. But as we’ve seen multiple times this season (and even this weekend), you can tackle someone with your studs up no problem without being shown a red card, but again it’s Casemiro being singled out out of all the players doing something that could see someone get a red card.

It’s clearly not a clear and obvious mistake showing a yellow card for that tackle, so VAR should never have intervened in that situation. Just like VAR shouldn’t have intervened if Taylor had given a red card. But if Taylor hadn’t given a foul for it, then an intervention would’ve been reasonable.

 

[SAFMUTD]

We should definitely claim that he doesn't referee in any game for us ever again.

I think Chelsea did. He's inept at best.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Because it provides context on the intent of the challenge. His foot changed direction after making contact with the ball. Upon contact, Casemiro’s bending his leg at the knee, further adding to the mitigating factors in assessing the force and intent of the tackle, which are judged to ascertain whether it’s a red card or not. The laws do not specifically state anything about studs on opponent = red card, but usually studs up suggest recklessness or intent. But as we’ve seen multiple times this season (and even this weekend), you can tackle someone with your studs up no problem without being shown a red card, but again it’s Casemiro being singled out out of all the players doing something that could see someone get a red card.

It’s clearly not a clear and obvious mistake showing a yellow card for that tackle, so VAR should never have intervened in that situation. Just like VAR shouldn’t have intervened if Taylor had given a red card. But if Taylor hadn’t given a foul for it, then an intervention would’ve been reasonable.

You’re probably right about the VAR semantics. I’m so fecking sick of VAR I have zero interest of ever defending the way it’s used.

VAR aside, if someone did that to one of our players I’d be annoyed if they only got a yellow. So don’t think what Casemiro did wasn’t justification for a red card.

 

[Bastian]

We should definitely claim that he doesn't referee in any game for us ever again.

I think Chelsea did. He's inept at best.

100%

 

[Yorke to Cole]

I would be happy to see the club highlight complaints against referees after poor displays. I do not think we have done it enough.

 

[Rightnr]

You’re probably right about the VAR semantics. I’m so fecking sick of VAR I have zero interest of ever defending the way it’s used.

VAR aside, if someone did that to one of our players I’d be annoyed if they only got a yellow. So don’t think what Casemiro did wasn’t justification for a red card.

So you think the scissor tackle on Garnacho was A-OK? Because I'm pretty sure those used to be straight reds but apparently now it's fine to completely clean away the opposition if you so much as touch the ball, unless of course you accidently roll your foot over the ball when you win it (yeah, that's the logic you're defending).

For the record, I don't think the Garnacho incident was a foul and I don't think the Casemiro challenge was even a foul to begin with. A player makes a tackle with the available information he has before the outcome is known. A player cannot account for any accidental damage caused, they've got seconds to react and are not seers.

 

[Bert_]

cnut

 

[Rado_N]

cnut

Harsh on @esmufc07

 

[JustinC00]

They refused to even look at this. Just as they refused to look at the other two.

No slow motion, no multi-angles.

Why not?

Andre Mariner was on VAR. When I saw Taylor was the ref and Mariner was on VAR (was the one that used a freeze frame and sent Casemiro off against Palace and no one else) the other day I knew we were fecked and weren't gonna get anything and there was a chance of a soft penalty or red card against us. Taylor is a cnut but this is a lot more on Mariner. Taylor gave a yellow for the Casemiro thing and Marriner stepped in and said "it's red". Then Marriner refused to signal down for Taylor to look at the handball, Bruno penalty shout and the Rashford trip and then the Garnacho tackle. If you are gonna signal down for Taylor to look at the Casemiro thing, you need to be signaling down for at leas the handball and if getting the ball doesn't matter for Casemiro it shouldn't have mattered for Walker-Peters. 4 penalty shouts for us in this and not 1 looked at

Then there is the whole thing of how Marriner reffed the Chelsea/Leicester game yesterday there was a worse studs up than Casemiro's and Marriner didn't even call it a foul let alone a yellow

 

[Amarsdd]

Barcelona might be onto something. Everybody outside of United already thinks vehemently that refs are biased towards us. So might as well bribe them to get refs to just be fair.

 

[JustinC00]

So don’t think what Casemiro did wasn’t justification for a red card.

Given how incidents like that were called around the league this weekend it wasn't a justification for a red card. Marriner (the one who told Taylor it was red) didn't show a red for 2-3 worse studs up challenges in the Chelsea/Leicester yesterday.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Criminal ref he is.

 

[croadyman]

Hopefully this finally ends the ABU shite that he is a closet Utd fan once and for all

 

[RyRy11]

Saved by not being shown on UK TV and no MOTD (not like they ever question decisions that don't go our way)

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

The 25% Win percentage recently is of a concern. Has anybody listed the games?

 

[glasgow 21]

Given how incidents like that were called around the league this weekend it wasn't a justification for a red card. Marriner (the one who told Taylor it was red) didn't show a red for 2-3 worse studs up challenges in the Chelsea/Leicester yesterday.

Marriner knee deep in both of Casemiro's sending off. The irony is not lost on the straight reds for endangering an opponent/ violent conduct when we are the team with VDB, Erikson and now Garancho on the treatment table. In addition what was the difference between Pope's sending off and the southampton player actions.

 

[AlexUTD]

What annoyed me with the sending off was their refusal to show the angle where it's clear his foot rolled off the ball.

I can accept the red card but you could clearly see they didn't show all angles and clearly only showed the worst angle on freeze for a good 30 seconds.

This is what pissed me off aswell!

The other angle clearly shows that Casemiro hits the ball fully but his foot jumps up after the impact and shows a totally other story but VAR only focuses on the worst angle and basicly makes the refs mind up for him..

We lose points because of these incompetent VAR fellers.

And its not that long ago they gave Casemiro the red for holding around a Crystal Palace players throat while Ayew did the same to Fred in the same situation and to make it worse the same situation happened in a Chelsea game the day after and no red card from VAR.

 

[duffer]

We should definitely claim that he doesn't referee in any game for us ever again.

I think Chelsea did. He's inept at best.

Tuchel asked for that but got a fine

Also there was one of those "change.org" petitions which got 150,000 signatures but I know Man United fans could do way better!

 

[Edwards6]

Hopefully this finally ends the ABU shite that he is a closet Utd fan once and for all

No chance, rival fans and media will just ignore this game and keep being outraged when a decision goes our way. No wonder the refs are scared to give us anything when it gets scrutinised so much when they do

 

[Mike Smalling]

The 25% Win percentage recently is of a concern. Has anybody listed the games?

According to a quick Googling they are:

Southampton (H) - 0-0 draw
Arsenal (A) - 2-3 loss
Aston Villa (A) - 1-3 loss
Nottingham Forest (H) - 3-0 win

I don't remember any specific incidents against Villa and Arsenal that influenced the game, but I think we lost those games for very different reasons.

 

[Berbasbullet]

According to a quick Googling they are:

Southampton (H) - 0-0 draw
Arsenal (A) - 2-3 loss
Aston Villa (A) - 1-3 loss
Nottingham Forest (H) - 3-0 win

I don't remember any specific incidents against Villa and Arsenal that influenced the game, but I think we lost those games for very different reasons.

The villa game was the one where the ref decided to put our wall back in the car park.

 

[The Corinthian]

According to a quick Googling they are:

Southampton (H) - 0-0 draw
Arsenal (A) - 2-3 loss
Aston Villa (A) - 1-3 loss
Nottingham Forest (H) - 3-0 win

I don't remember any specific incidents against Villa and Arsenal that influenced the game, but I think we lost those games for very different reasons.

We should have had a penalty vs Arsenal that wasn't given. From memory I think it was Bruno that got cleaned out.

 

[cyberman]

According to a quick Googling they are:

Southampton (H) - 0-0 draw
Arsenal (A) - 2-3 loss
Aston Villa (A) - 1-3 loss
Nottingham Forest (H) - 3-0 win

I don't remember any specific incidents against Villa and Arsenal that influenced the game, but I think we lost those games for very different reasons.

The free kick fiasco gave them the opening goal in the Villa game

 

[McGrathsipan]

Criminal ref he is.

I read that in Yodas voice

 

[Mike Smalling]

The villa game was the one where the ref decided to put our wall back in the car park.

The free kick fiasco gave them the opening goal in the Villa game

Yeah, I do remember that now, although it wasn't the opening goal. It was the goal for 2-0. Still, we were dreadful that game, I think we played Ronaldo, and Villa had the new manager bounce.

We should have had a penalty vs Arsenal that wasn't given. From memory I think it was Bruno that got cleaned out.

Don't remember that one. Would have to see it again.

I'm not defending Taylor, by the way, I think he's a dreadful referee and his performance yesterday was laughable. But the 25% win rate needs to be taken with a massive grain of salt, considering it is just 4 games.

 

[Bondi77]

Why do people keep implying that rolling over the ball is an excuse? “Going over the top of the ball” literally describes what happened, usually involves at least some contact with the football and has always been the sort of challenge that gets players sent off.

It is pretty easy to understand isn't it.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Why do people keep implying that rolling over the ball is an excuse? “Going over the top of the ball” literally describes what happened, usually involves at least some contact with the football and has always been the sort of challenge that gets players sent off.

If I had the time and resource to compile all the "over the ball" challenges that have happened in the PL this season and the resulting decisions, I think I could make you look very silly.

Also Casemiro wasn't wreckless or out of control, his boot slipping off the wet ball caused the contact. And you can see his eyes were firmly fixed on the ball the entire time. Even the Southampton players looked embarrassed by the decision and I didn't see any appeal for it, then they consoled Casemiro. Common sense should play a bigger part in football. It only seems to when it suits them.

 

[Strats]

According to a quick Googling they are:

Southampton (H) - 0-0 draw
Arsenal (A) - 2-3 loss
Aston Villa (A) - 1-3 loss
Nottingham Forest (H) - 3-0 win

I don't remember any specific incidents against Villa and Arsenal that influenced the game, but I think we lost those games for very different reasons.

In addition to previous shouts about incidents in the Villa game and the penalty incident vs Arsenal;
Zinchenko seemed to perhaps be in an offside position during the build up for their winning goal, wasn’t looked at if I remember correctly.

Not that I fully expected it to be called off, but they didn’t seem to give it a proper look.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

According to a quick Googling they are:

Southampton (H) - 0-0 draw
Arsenal (A) - 2-3 loss
Aston Villa (A) - 1-3 loss
Nottingham Forest (H) - 3-0 win

I don't remember any specific incidents against Villa and Arsenal that influenced the game, but I think we lost those games for very different reasons.

Ramsdale on Bruno. I remember a similar incident happening in another game not long after and that team got a penalty.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Forgot about the Digne free kick against Villa. Looks like United have been on to Anthony Taylor for a while.