It'd surely be Willian plus cash for Martial .
Anthony Martial and Willian swap?
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Willian has outstanding technical ability, the work-rate that a Mourinho side requires and would perfectly balance United's attack filling the slot from the right.
However, he is inconsistent (rarely good for a full season and often frustrating), almost 30 and after a couple of years would probably need replacing again.
Chelsea would be getting the better deal out of end swap deal, and whilst it's already underscrutinty, huge questions would have to be asked about Mourinho's man-management skills/his ability to get the best from players if a player with the amazing talent of Martial is forced out of the club for a safe bet like Willian who he's worked with before. Just doesn't seem to be the United way to develop players really.
However, he is inconsistent (rarely good for a full season and often frustrating), almost 30 and after a couple of years would probably need replacing again.
Chelsea would be getting the better deal out of end swap deal, and whilst it's already underscrutinty, huge questions would have to be asked about Mourinho's man-management skills/his ability to get the best from players if a player with the amazing talent of Martial is forced out of the club for a safe bet like Willian who he's worked with before. Just doesn't seem to be the United way to develop players really.
Our club is turning into a circus. Very little business we do makes sense since SAF stepped down.
While Willian would bring some balance and attacking intent on the right flank, I don't want him at the expense of Martial who would shine in an attacking side. I'd take him but not in a swap deal with Martial (whether or not we're getting cash as well)
If a standalone Willian deal isn't happening, I'd rather try to get Mahrez instead and Keep Martial.
If a standalone Willian deal isn't happening, I'd rather try to get Mahrez instead and Keep Martial.
If it takes martial to get willan then no.
Just go for Mahrez, he is the better RW anways
Just go for Mahrez, he is the better RW anways
don't really get it why people choose Rashford over than Martial. Just because he is from our academy?
Already addressed that. Fellaini has sad he wants to stay but for the right price (though that might have changed at this point). He’s keeping his options open since he is out of contract but for the right price he would stay. That’s not the same as actively wanting to leave.
United won’t sell Martial to Chelsea.
Chelsea will see Willian to United, just as they did with Matic.
...all this Martial involvement is made up hypothetical and won’t happen.
Chelsea will see Willian to United, just as they did with Matic.
...all this Martial involvement is made up hypothetical and won’t happen.
What if he goes there, failed to live up to his hype, throw the same tantrum and fades to obscurity?
A bit different. Oscar wasn't playing much, Bakayoko was signed to replace Matic and Costa was a disruptive influence.
Who's still up for this piece of genius business?
Well, I for one sure hope Jose is not.
Reading back the thread is depressing, so many people were perfectly willing to sacrifice our most talented player for a decent 30-year-old.
Did we base this off of Delaney all this time?
My conscience is clear on this one, certainly not elsewhere where I'm caning Luke Shaw or threatening to drive Martial to the airport
I can't blame people who wanted earlier this year, when it looked all but over for Martial at this club, to cash in and look to bring in someone who would at least give 100% for the club ('a bird in the hand...' etc.) but the logic of getting in Willian as the replacement and letting Chelsea have one of our top prospects filled me with dread.
Shocking stuff really
More scary than depressing for me.
Martial is playing well and scoring goals, hopefully he's won over those that would have swapped him for Willian.
Proud to be one who was sane and was adamantly against this. Willian numbers suck in his time in the Prem.
Usual suspects though for whose Jose can do no wrong, no surprise really.
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@haram you still would take Willian over Mahrez?
Christ. The state of some of the posts in here. There was a time when Willian over a sulking, unproductive Martial would not have been insane. A motivated, in-form Martial is clearly a better bet. Neither saying it was a good move nor saying it was not make you a footballing genius.
Difficult to be productive when you're getting played once a month and not allowed to have a run of games. Nothing wrong with calling out people.
Not so sure about the Martial-Willian thing but some of the comments about Martial over the summer were disgraceful. Some of those top Reds who kept slating him in some weird attempt to prove their loyalty to Mourinho should be ashamed of themselves.
Who are you calling out? Jose? You're making the call there that Tony has been bursting himself behind the scenes the whole time, held back by an unjust and tyrannical overlord who has finally buckled under the pressure and released his young tyro to wreak havoc on all that face us. I don't buy that scenario. I'm glad Tony's still with us and I hope the penny is starting to drop with him.
Ten years ago?
To be fair, every journalist in the country was saying it at the time.
Thankfully, rumours were never realised.
Certain section having a go at certain players had nothing to do with those players directly anyway. This summer we had situation when they tried to turn Martial into enemy just because they saw him as beating stick for their cult leader.
This deal was really strange to be honest. Chelsea would absolutely have to offer Cash + Willian because of the age difference, and for some reason buying Willian outright wasn't even suggested by the papers. He would have been a good option on our right wing but I guess Chelsea wanted way too much for him.
So what you're saying is his lack of professionalism is what's held him back all these years under mourinho? It's a pretty serious allegation, so where's the evidence for this?
No chance. We would need to replace Willian in next to no time. Martial is young and is now showing what he can do. We really need to be looking to the future, not constant quick fixes.
Well, no. When we were churning out performance after performance with practically zero contribution from out wide. I sometimes wonder have people seen Willian play. I was never an advocate of this deal and don't believe it was ever an actual thing but people talk about it as if Tony was always a sure thing and Willian is not an outstanding player.
A serious allegation? Good Lord. I think he needs to try harder. I think he has sulked in the past. I think he gets distracted. I love watching him. I want him to be the best player he can be. All of this seems reasonable to me. I'm neither a Jose nor a Tony fanboy. I'm a United fan.
Ditto some of the ‘top reds’ slating Jose in a weird attempt to prove their loyalty to Martial.
No there was not.
Saying it would have been a terrible deal does not make you a footballing genius, it makes you a person with a shred of common sense. Saying it would have been a good deal, well... that says something else entirely.
Signing Willian would have been okay for a very limited fee or a free transfer a la Ibrahimovic. Swapping him for Martial or paying the fees quoted in the press never made any sense whatsoever and I'm very happy we stayed away.
I was thinking this was a good idea, but I'm still not a fan of Jose.
Take it you were one of the haters. No worries pal, no-one gets it right every time
Perhaps we should be glad Woodward isn't always listening to Jose
So, our last game before Sanchez's arrival was Burnley away. We won that 1-0 with Martial scoring the winner.
After Sanchez's arrival, Martial started 6 games out of 21. Blaming him for us churning out performance after performance with practically zero contribution from out wide is so extremely unfair that it's hard to take it seriously.
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