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When will he be back? He's turning out to be extremely important to our attack. He is good under pressure, can link up play and dribble well. Has to start as a striker after the Liverpool game. We might actually pick up some points with him in the side because Sancho and Rashford seem to need him to function. Especially Rashford.
 
TempusFugit said:
When will he be back? He's turning out to be extremely important to our attack. He is good under pressure, can link up play and dribble well. Has to start as a striker after the Liverpool game. We might actually pick up some points with him in the side because Sancho and Rashford seem to need him to function. Especially Rashford.
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Huh ? Did I miss something ? When did that happen ?
 
el3mel said:
Huh ? Did I miss something ? When did that happen ?
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People will cling to any notion they believe to be true in order to survive. There was a guy on here last season who said the reason Martial was shite was because we played a double pivot and if we stopped doing that he'd get north of 25 goals a season...
 
With him in the team, we will only get spanked 4-1 instead of 4-0.

Progress I guess, anything not to see CR7 at striker though.
 
i never thought I'll see the day when Fans are looking at this guy as our saving grace, we are in the mud.
 
He's probably injured again after being forced to run 13.8km in training yesterday.
 
Martial's problem has always been one of long term consistency. He's had spells of a dozen or so games where he's looked really good. His issue is that he follows it up with even longer spells where he looks disinterested. I doubt very much this guy will be in our long term plans, but he looked decent in pre-season, so the hope is that he carries that into the season and gives us a sticking plaster while we work a few other things out.
 
His link up play suits Sancho and Rashford better and we play better as a team when He is playing
 
He is been garbage since 2020, he wanted to leave because he didn't want to train under RR and then he failed miserably at Sevilla. Why are we still hoping he can be a savior?
 
led_scholes said:
He is been garbage since 2020, he wanted to leave because he didn't want to train under RR and then he failed miserably at Sevilla. Why are we still hoping he can be a savior?
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Because the ball doesn't bounce off him like a brick wall.
 
He's clearly more suited to Eth style in terms of dropping back and linking with other players. But he's never fit. Helped link up play pre season and that helped Sancho and rashford and even Bruno.

Interested to see what happens when he's fit.
Well for the few games he's fit at least
 
Any help we can get at this point of time is welcome. Rabiot, martial whatever. Just anyone is better than our existing playing 11
 
Had a decent pre-season and I'm hoping he'll still have some confidence and desire to show he's our first choice no. 9
 
Sylar said:
He's clearly more suited to Eth style in terms of dropping back and linking with other players. But he's never fit. Helped link up play pre season and that helped Sancho and rashford and even Bruno.

Interested to see what happens when he's fit.
Well for the few games he's fit at least
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The opposite is true IMO, he's not suited at all to ETH style. Mourinho rarely played Martial due to his lack of work rate.

ETHs style is pressing, which takes a lot of effort. Unfortunately Martial hasn't got that work ethic in him.
 
SalfordTED said:
The opposite is true IMO, he's not suited at all to ETH style. Mourinho rarely played Martial due to his lack of work rate.

ETHs style is pressing, which takes a lot of effort. Unfortunately Martial hasn't got that work ethic in him.
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Pre season is not indicative of how the season will go

But it did show martial is capable of it.
 
I hope he comes back firing and energetic.

Well, if he wants to make the World Cup team he has no choice, so here's hoping that at least will motivate him.
 
Being realistic we should probably sell him, he looked good in pre season, his value might have gone up and we all know by October he'll have another injury or be playing shit, cash in get a player who will fit the system
 
Against Liverpool, assuming Martial is physically and mentally fit to play:

Heaton (yes, bench De Gea and I'm not a De Gea hater)
Dalot Bailly Varane Malacia
Fred Eriksen
Donny
Sancho Ronaldo Martial

Martial is vastly more effective coming in off the left than he is in a CF position and Rashford has been horrifying, so start him on the left. Let Martial work with Ronaldo and see what comes of it. Sancho has been ineffective but dropping him doesn't make sense right now.

Bruno has been poor, so Donny. Sure, Fred is an issue but unless Frenkie is a United player by this middle of this week (extremely unlikely) let's go with Fred and Eriksen in midfield. Part of me wants to Garner but Garner appears to be on his way out. The back line...well, something has to be done.

But back to Martial. Why not let him have a go at his natural position?
 
lex talionis said:
Against Liverpool, assuming Martial is physically and mentally fit to play:

Heaton (yes, bench De Gea and I'm not a De Gea hater)
Dalot Bailly Varane Malacia
Fred Eriksen
Donny
Sancho Ronaldo Martial

Martial is vastly more effective coming in off the left than he is in a CF position and Rashford has been horrifying, so start him on the left. Let Martial work with Ronaldo and see what comes of it. Sancho has been ineffective but dropping him doesn't make sense right now.

Bruno has been poor, so Donny. Sure, Fred is an issue but unless Frenkie is a United player by this middle of this week (extremely unlikely) let's go with Fred and Eriksen in midfield. Part of me wants to Garner but Garner appears to be on his way out. The back line...well, something has to be done.

But back to Martial. Why not let him have a go at his natural position?
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Because CF is comfortably his best position.
 
Raven said:
Because CF is comfortably his best position.
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Respectfully disagree. He's nowhere near the CF that Ronaldo is, but if Ronny is out/gone then Martial is our only CF and we'll muddle through as best we can. We're being linked to strikers for obvious reasons.

Martial is most effective when taking on a man from the left. That's his game. He's got virtually no game as the target man and he's rarely ever going to be in a position to take a man on from a central position.
 
lex talionis said:
Respectfully disagree. He's nowhere near the CF that Ronaldo is, but if Ronny is out/gone then Martial is our only CF and we'll muddle through as best we can. We're being linked to strikers for obvious reasons.

Martial is most effective when taking on a man from the left. That's his game. He's got virtually no game as the target man and he's rarely ever going to be in a position to take a man on from a central position.
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I think we're being linked to attackers because we're desperately thin in attacking areas.

He's our only striking option who can actually hold up the ball and bring others into play.
 
lex talionis said:
Respectfully disagree. He's nowhere near the CF that Ronaldo is, but if Ronny is out/gone then Martial is our only CF and we'll muddle through as best we can. We're being linked to strikers for obvious reasons.

Martial is most effective when taking on a man from the left. That's his game. He's got virtually no game as the target man and he's rarely ever going to be in a position to take a man on from a central position.
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Ronaldo isn't a CF and he doesn't have the ability to play the position except when he has the chance to poach goals. Saying Martial has no game as the target man means you've missed all of the 19/20 season. Watch the last time we beat City when he was our MOTM playing that same role, City defender couldn't deal with him and that was him in an awful form.

His dribbling ability and pace have been average at best for years which is why his game doesn't suit the wing anymore.
 
lex talionis said:
Respectfully disagree. He's nowhere near the CF that Ronaldo is, but if Ronny is out/gone then Martial is our only CF and we'll muddle through as best we can. We're being linked to strikers for obvious reasons.

Martial is most effective when taking on a man from the left. That's his game. He's got virtually no game as the target man and he's rarely ever going to be in a position to take a man on from a central position.
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It really depends what you want out of your striker. You want goals, you want a poacher, Ronaldo's your man. Martial is the only striker we have at the moment who can play with his back to goal. His hold up play is decent and he does link up well generally with other players around with his one-touch passing and flicks. Having Martial on the pitch will help to bring out more in Rashford and Sancho and Bruno/Eriksen/Donny.

Martial has not been effective off the left for at least two seasons now.
 
The people excited by his return are doing it in hope more than anything. I personally don't have much faith in him as a starter (and CF) for us, but we need all the help we can get, and maybe he will surprise us positively this season.

But yeah, exciting news nonetheless. He does link up well with Bruno and Sancho so there's that, maybe he at least brings us something that we don't have with Ronaldo upfront.
 
jeepers said:
It really depends what you want out of your striker. You want goals, you want a poacher, Ronaldo's your man. Martial is the only striker we have at the moment who can play with his back to goal. His hold up play is decent and he does link up well generally with other players around with his one-touch passing and flicks. Having Martial on the pitch will help to bring out more in Rashford and Sancho and Bruno/Eriksen/Donny.

Martial has not been effective off the left for at least two seasons now.
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He didn't have that effect last time he was in the team though, he was just massively detrimental His talents have grown in his absence to the extent that a prior good 6 month period 3 years ago is now the base expectation rather than everything since.

He MIGHT return in fantastic form but its unlikely. More likely we'll see the Martial that everyone rightly criticised.
 
led_scholes said:
He is been garbage since 2020, he wanted to leave because he didn't want to train under RR and then he failed miserably at Sevilla. Why are we still hoping he can be a savior?
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but.. he played ok in some pre season friendly games where there was 0 pressure on…
 
Smores said:
He didn't have that effect last time he was in the team though, he was just massively detrimental His talents have grown in his absence to the extent that a prior good 6 month period 3 years ago is now the base expectation rather than everything since.

He MIGHT return in fantastic form but its unlikely. More likely we'll see the Martial that everyone rightly criticised.
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Yeah agreed, he might. But most likely not. I like the guy but it’s been very frustrating watching him the last few years.

Unfortunately thanks to the brilliance of those running the club, we only have Martial and Ronaldo to rely on, unless we can bring in more attackers before the window closes. Meanwhile, Ronaldo stinking up the place and farming toxicity. Martial had a pretty good pre-season so hopefully his head is in the right place this time around.
 
Smores said:
He didn't have that effect last time he was in the team though, he was just massively detrimental His talents have grown in his absence to the extent that a prior good 6 month period 3 years ago is now the base expectation rather than everything since.

He MIGHT return in fantastic form but its unlikely. More likely we'll see the Martial that everyone rightly criticised.
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Id argue he has had more good seasons than bad at United.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Id argue he has had more good seasons than bad at United.
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His good seasons on the wing 6 or 7 years ago aren't really relevant at this stage. He needs to be judged as a striker and at best it's 50/50 there.

We'll see how he does what's most importance is his form now. I just hope we do manage to bring someone else in as it's too risky to rely on him.
 
SalfordTED said:
The opposite is true IMO, he's not suited at all to ETH style. Mourinho rarely played Martial due to his lack of work rate.

ETHs style is pressing, which takes a lot of effort. Unfortunately Martial hasn't got that work ethic in him.
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Martial actually does press when we don't have the ball, it's his movement when we do have the ball that needs a lot of work
 
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