[pierrethesnack]

I just had a thought about how we are going to pay Monaco if he fulfills all the clauses. Is it possible to sell him to another team (say Salford) and then buy him back for the same price (obviously) and this would probably mean we won't have to pay Monaco the extra clauses. I'm not saying we're going to do it, but would it work?

No, that's not how contracts work. Monaco would sue us, and we would most certainly lose.

And even if it had worked - our ethos would be obliterated. No club would ever deal with us again unless we hand them all the money in one go, which would be a seriously damaging situation, even for a club as rich as Manchester United.

 

[sglowrider]

He is sensational. Can we brand "feck off Madrid" onto his forehead?

Emancipation was proclaimed a century and a half ago. Racist!

 

[Americano]

I just had a thought about how we are going to pay Monaco if he fulfills all the clauses. Is it possible to sell him to another team (say Salford) and then buy him back for the same price (obviously) and this would probably mean we won't have to pay Monaco the extra clauses. I'm not saying we're going to do it, but would it work?

Why would we want to destroy our relationship with Monaco and ruin our reputation for fair dealing over a few shekels? Evading rightful payment is no way for a top club to do business. Who are we, Barcelona?

 

[FC Ronaldo]

Neville putting some good analysis on him on MNF right now. If someone has recorded this, would be a great upload...

@GifLord @Olly anyone?

 

[littlepeasoup]

What Nev is saying is something I noticed on Saturday too.

I think it was a first nudge by O'Shea in the game, when the ball wasn't near either of them. Martial stood strong to the nudge then just turned around and glared at O'Shea as if to say, "I'm not taking any of that today."

Fancied him to score on the weekend, but really pleased with his overall contribution.

 

[ice-bionic red]

It's difficult to say things which haven't already been said in this thread. I can honestly admit I hadn't seen him play before OR even heard about him so I couldn't have an opinion on the signing until I saw the guy play.

I'm totally surprised and can't believe how good this kid is! It feels like he was the missing piece to the LVG jigsaw. We've dominated games win, lose or draw but never had that deadly, ruthlessness in attack. He has instantly given that to us with his attributes. Memphis, Mata and even Rooney have come alive around him and it's so good to finally see our possession football finally have an end product. He's pushing the defence back so far our whole team can push right in!

I'm so excited to see how we fair in the next few games

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Yeah it was a good little analysis from Neville of things I didn't really notice other than the chance he created for Memphis. The kid is tough.

 

[GifLord]

Neville putting some good analysis on him on MNF right now. If someone has recorded this, would be a great upload...

@GifLord @Olly anyone?

still have it on my hdd
will post it after the eve-wba match

 

[GifLord]

this it?

 

[sammsky1]

^^ Thanks!

 

[shamans]

He's showing a lot of class but I do have to say you guys are overrating him a bit (which is totally normal. Anyone with such an impact at his age will be overrated like that). Another unpopular opinion I have is that him and Januzaj are of the same caliber. Is it wrong I feel like that?

 

[JPRouve]

He's showing a lot of class but I do have to say you guys are overrating him a bit (which is totally normal. Anyone with such an impact at his age will be overrated like that). Another unpopular opinion I have is that him and Januzaj are of the same caliber. Is it wrong I feel like that?

It's not wrong, but you are wrong, they are not at the same level. Maybe they will be by the end of the season if Januzaj plays a lot with Dortmund but at the moment they are not at the same level.

 

[Bwuk]

He's showing a lot of class but I do have to say you guys are overrating him a bit (which is totally normal. Anyone with such an impact at his age will be overrated like that). Another unpopular opinion I have is that him and Januzaj are of the same caliber. Is it wrong I feel like that?

No. Martial is showing more than Januzaj ever did.

Januzaj could be world class if he develops properly though.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

He's showing a lot of class but I do have to say you guys are overrating him a bit (which is totally normal. Anyone with such an impact at his age will be overrated like that). Another unpopular opinion I have is that him and Januzaj are of the same caliber. Is it wrong I feel like that?

I know what you're trying to say but I think the key difference between the two lies in their decision making. Martial shows the maturity and composure of a 29 year old who knows his role(s) inside out. Januzaj is capable of this however doesn't offer the same level of consistency during a match, Januzaj is capable of having one or two world class moments in a game yet still play a poor game and I think the best solution to this is regular playing time so he can exercise these decisions more in a match scenario. Dortmund is definitely the right club for him in terms of playing style, just hope he continues to get match-time.

Still early days for Martial but it's very reassuring and astonishing that he's got such completeness in his play.

 

[shamans]

No. Martial is showing more than Januzaj ever did.

Januzaj could be world class if he develops properly though.

It's not wrong, but you are wrong, they are not at the same level. Maybe they will be by the end of the season if Januzaj plays a lot with Dortmund but at the moment they are not at the same level.

I know what you're trying to say but I think the key difference between the two lies in their decision making. Martial shows the maturity and composure of a 29 year old who knows his role(s) inside out. Januzaj is capable of this however doesn't offer the same level of consistency during a match, Januzaj is capable of having one or two world class moments in a game yet still play a poor game and I think the best solution to this is regular playing time so he can exercise these decisions more in a match scenario. Dortmund is definitely the right club for him in terms of playing style, just hope he continues to get match-time.

Still early days for Martial but it's very reassuring and astonishing that he's got such completeness in his play.

From what the three of you have said, the only difference between the two is consistency and maturity. The consistency: it's still early days and we can't say for sure if Martial will be performing at this level on a consistent basis. If he does, which I really hope he does, then his consistency is much better than Januzaj's.

As for maturity/decision making, I think all Januzaj needs is game time. The only thing that makes me think Januzaj has more potential is the moments of brilliance he produces - his subtle movement/vision for through balls is just world class sometimes.

EDIT: If anything, I think they are both similar which I believe is an unpopular opinion as most would say Martial is way ahead of Januzaj .

 

[bosnian_red]

From what the three of you have said, the only difference between the two is consistency and maturity. The consistency: it's still early days and we can't say for sure if Martial will be performing at this level on a consistent basis. If he does, which I really hope he does, then his consistency is much better than Januzaj's.

As for maturity/decision making, I think all Januzaj needs is game time. The only thing that makes me think Januzaj has more potential is the moments of brilliance he produces - his subtle movement/vision for through balls is just world class sometimes.

EDIT: If anything, I think they are both similar which I believe is an unpopular opinion as most would say Martial is way ahead of Januzaj .

I love Januzaj but IMO, Martial is far ahead of him. Martial is playing like a world class player already. With Januzaj, he always played more like an incredibly promising youngster but he never showed the level of intelligence, maturity and ability that Martial has so far. Martial is as good of a 19 year old as I've seen play for United really, from recent memory. Januzaj has loads of ability, but his decision making has always been questionable up until now and doesn't have anywhere near the physique that Martial has. That's the thing with Martial - Not only does he have the ability and maturity in his game that you wouldn't expect from a 19 year old, but he's also physically built like you would expect someone in their prime to be.

 

[Dion]

The thing is Martial has "done his job" on every occasion he's been asked to so far. I can't think of any game since his initial breakout period where Januzaj has done that. Too many good moments spoilt by bad ones immediately after.

 

[Brightonian]

EDIT: If anything, I think they are both similar which I believe is an unpopular opinion as most would say Martial is way ahead of Januzaj .

Their positions and roles are too different to be worth comparing. And Martial's only played a handful of games, so still potentially in a honeymoon period, which lasted going on six months for Januzaj.

No useful comparisons to be made, really.

 

[m1y2]

No. Martial is showing more than Januzaj ever did.

Januzaj could be world class if he develops properly though.

WTF? ppl completely forget about what Januzaj did in his first season, under Moyes he was arguably the best United player.. Martial has a long way to go, Januzaj was as confident as him, let's wait until he picks up a dip in the form and than judge. this is too early to make such conclusions, really..

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Martial is on another level when it comes to making the right decisions.

The problem with Adnan is that he often don't know when to just make the simple pass instead of trying to dribble through a wall or making some fancy tricks.
He is with a good team now and under Tuchel he will learn to play more maturely. But it's nothing unusual for a 20 year old going through a rough spell, if you could even call it that.

Martial's start has been freakishly good, i would never have thought he would come in and just play like he had been with us for years.

 

[Americano]

Martial is on another level when it comes to making the right decisions.

Physically too. Strength, speed, and domination of opposing defenders.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Physically too. Strength, speed, and domination of opposing defenders.

Yeah, he got the whole package.

The physical part doesn't necessarily have to be improved that much for Januzaj, quick thinking and good decision making is more important for a player like him imo.
I see his future as a playmaker in the mould of Ozil or Silva, it's a big ask for him to be that good, but he definitely got the potential.

 

[RedRonaldo]

He's showing a lot of class but I do have to say you guys are overrating him a bit (which is totally normal. Anyone with such an impact at his age will be overrated like that). Another unpopular opinion I have is that him and Januzaj are of the same caliber. Is it wrong I feel like that?

They are not on the same level, for me anyway. Januzaji even after his first season with us, where everyone hyped him up as the next best thing (including me), I still saw some big flaws in him to which I was not too optimistic about (decision making, selfishness, physically weak etc). Martial, on the other hand, was almost perfect in the way he has shown us signs of strength in almost every aspects of the game as forward/wing forward.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

The pass to Depay showed so much maturity.

And credit for Rooney for taking him aside after that. Was obvious rooney was impressed by his decision to opt for the smarter play instead of going for glory.

 

[ricky-romeo]

the liverpool & soton goals certainly helps him a lot, rather than being under pressure to score now he is playing with more freedom and relaxed, as shown against sunderland.

his decision makings are excellent for a player of his age.

 

[podurban2]

And credit for Rooney for taking him aside after that. Was obvious rooney was impressed by his decision to opt for the smarter play instead of going for glory.

I don't remember this. Any gif of it?

 

[MDFC Manager]

Comparing Martial and Januzaj from a technical point of view isn't preposterous. It's a decent comparison.

Where Martial is streets ahead is with his physicality. If Januzaj had Martial's place and strength, he'd already be a star.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Comparing Martial and Januzaj from a technical point of view isn't preposterous. It's a decent comparison.

Where Martial is streets ahead is with his physicality. If Januzaj had Martial's place and strength, he'd already be a star.

Pace and strength aside, I think it is their decision making and mental strength which make them miles apart.

 

[khoazany]

Martial came to us already played 70 odd senior games for Monaco.Januzaj came to the first team after playing for bloody Manchester United Under-21.People love to make unnecessary comparison.It's normal for the one who has more senior experience to be more matured on his game despite being about the same age, doesn't mean much about their future.

 

[In Rainbows]

These are the starts that immediately followed Sunderland

Spoiler: youtube

Januzaj looked like a world beater. Just look at that Norwich match and tell me that isn't really impressive. One thing Martial has over Januzaj is indeed pace and strength. These two things allow his dribbling to be more consistent. I bet people wouldn't question Adnan's decision making if he had actually pulled off some of his attempted dribbling. Inconsistency in dribbling can make you look like a star in one match, and make you look immature in the next match.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

These are the starts that immediately followed Sunderland

Spoiler: youtube

Januzaj looked like a world beater. Just look at that Norwich match and tell me that isn't really impressive. One thing Martial has over Januzaj is indeed pace and strength. These two things allow his dribbling to be more consistent. I bet people wouldn't question Adnan's decision making if he had actually pulled off some of his attempted dribbling. Inconsistency in dribbling can make you look like a star in one match, and make you look immature in the next match.

This. I think that Martial has a big advantage over Januzaj because of his physicality but it's too early to say that his decision-making is much better. Especially considering that what impressed me the most with Adnan when he broke through was exactly the same things, his decision-making and composure/confidence. I think your spot on with your last few sentances aswell.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

I don't remember this. Any gif of it?

I didn't see it either. The pundit on my feed mentioned it.

 

[MDFC Manager]

These are the starts that immediately followed Sunderland

Spoiler: youtube

Januzaj looked like a world beater. Just look at that Norwich match and tell me that isn't really impressive. One thing Martial has over Januzaj is indeed pace and strength. These two things allow his dribbling to be more consistent. I bet people wouldn't question Adnan's decision making if he had actually pulled off some of his attempted dribbling. Inconsistency in dribbling can make you look like a star in one match, and make you look immature in the next match.

Yes, this is exactly my point as well.

 

[Kevin]

Comparing Martial and Januzaj from a technical point of view isn't preposterous. It's a decent comparison.

Where Martial is streets ahead is with his physicality. If Januzaj had Martial's place and strength, he'd already be a star.

Pace, physical and mental strength. That's THREE key attributes out of 5 or so that decide how good a footballer is. So alot then.

My guess: we won't see much of Januzaj again, if at all, after his Dortmund stint.

 

[CG1010]

Martial and Januzaj are similar in that both have potential to be the best in the world in their position. But speaking about "current" contribution, Martial appears to be already way ahead of Januzaj. The former has 4 goals and 1 assist in 5 appearances this season while Januzaj has had a total of 5 goals and 3 assists in 24 appearances. As others have mentioned Januzaj doesn't have the needed attributes to perform now while Martial is very close to finished product.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Martial's much more developed, physically. So better able to handle himself in a robust league like the PL. Januzaj's still got a lot of filling out to do. Players develop at different rates. Januzaj can still come good. He's clearly very talented.

 

[ravelston]

Lot of Januzaj for a Martial thread. There really is no comparison between the players. Martial has all the necessary attributes that Januzaj is lacking and shows few signs of developing. He's fast, strong, incredibly hard to knock off the ball and has great decision making. Januzaj has some wonderful skills and good vision, but without the other attributes he's not going to amount to much. It's too early to write Januzaj off and there's plenty of time for things to go awry in Martial's career but, right now, Martial points up all the areas in which Januzaj is deficient. Add to that that Martial is Januzaj's equal in technical skills and vision, and you get a complete package - something that I seriously doubt we'll ever be able to say about Januzaj. (Now, having said that, I can see a lot of similarities between Januzaj and Eriksen at the same age, so there is still hope - although perhaps not at the "United level".)

 

[shamans]

Lot of Januzaj for a Martial thread. There really is no comparison between the players. Martial has all the necessary attributes that Januzaj is lacking and shows few signs of developing. He's fast, strong, incredibly hard to knock off the ball and has great decision making. Januzaj has some wonderful skills and good vision, but without the other attributes he's not going to amount to much. It's too early to write Januzaj off and there's plenty of time for things to go awry in Martial's career but, right now, Martial points up all the areas in which Januzaj is deficient. Add to that that Martial is Januzaj's equal in technical skills and vision, and you get a complete package - something that I seriously doubt we'll ever be able to say about Januzaj. (Now, having said that, I can see a lot of similarities between Januzaj and Eriksen at the same age, so there is still hope - although perhaps not at the "United level".)

I think it's normal and warranted to make comparisons. They're both young attacking players with potential to be worldies. Right now one of them is doing much better than the other and we are just pointing out why that may be.

I firmly stand by my stance that Adnan will be a top player (playing for top 3 of La liga, or top 4 of PL) whether we get him back or not.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

Does anyone else read the word "martial" in any sentence as "Mar-cee-al" regardless of its context now?

 

[Ole90+3]

How is the French pronunciation of the word?

I still say Mar-tee-al.